Indo-China Border & LAC

Problem statement from China - India is on our land resulting in standoff

Problem statement from India - Difference in perception of the non demarcated border results in standoff

So & so will be the gist of any public readouts if they are ever made, inline with the several ones made in the past.

Chinese will come-out openly with their reason whilst we are JUSTIFYING their action as the result of a differing perception due to non demarcated border.

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I am sure that the "military persona" of ex generail Mr. Panag knows the infrastructure deficit on our side, who the blame for the said deficit should go to, the current situation of Chinese intruding, defacing rock-walls, leaving stuff behind, etc has been going for sometime.

But - "China intruded 60KM" is more eye catching. Indeed this is political & everyone does this.
 
Ultraman said:
part about bulk of bufferzone in gogra , pp15 , galwan being on indian side is true . rest is just mental gymnastics.

doklam we blocked pla from jampheri ridge on southern tip of doklam , if chinese had reached that ridge they would have view of the chicken neck + its only place where they will be able see across himalayas into india gangetic plains . i dont think there was any deal about them vacating whole doklam it was only about the ridge .
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I don't understand how many times will these journalist loss their shits by repeating same thing again and again with twisted facts
It has been repeated multiple times the posts of area of patrolling is prohibited lies mostly on the buffer zones and they were temporary
Infact the territories which we agreed to fall back(in sense of patrolling) was also patrolled by Chinese which they were denied too
But again it was temporary agreement to reduce the tension
Real incursion is in depsang and I completely agree they are squatting over our patrolling region apart from that pp-15 pp-17a and pp-16 things are not normal but status quo more or less unchanged
There was an amazing Chinese analysis but can't find in dfi I had drawn it
I will post once find that piece
 
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mist_consecutive said:
Yeah China will grab everything they can, but should we be breaking bangles when we don't even officially recognize it our territory ?
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who is "breaking bangles" ?

its land that belongs to arunachal people , just because some british guy couldnt draw map doesnt mean it now belongs to china

Mr.Evil said:
What are we doing about it?
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we build road in nearby valley + plan to build one big road that will run parallel to entire lac
 
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hurrians said:
As discussed, without obtaining any significant advantage in standoff at legacy areas , making a uturn on border and relations policy will invite political attacks.

www.thehindu.com

PM Modi’s clean chit to China set to become letter of support for Adani’s overseas investments: Congress

Congress leader Jairam Ramesh criticizes PM Modi for giving "clean chit to China" after Adani Group forms China subsidiary, risking national security.
www.thehindu.com www.thehindu.com
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chinese accounts claims PLA has destroyed indian bunkers and taken over some terrirory . PLA says it fake news

:roflb: chene bababanaras


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Samej Jangir said:
There is no real substance for India-China enmity. In 1962, Nehru was acting like a CIA agent, hosting CIA planes & setting up Tibet government in exile which made China angry.
www.thehindu.com

U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China

India News:U.S. planes used Indian airbase to snoop on China
www.thehindu.com www.thehindu.com

If it was just about helping, India could have given refuge to Tibetans but Nehru went one step further to set up Tibet govt in exile. To make things worse, Nehru pursued a forward policy seeing Chinese problems with Tibet which finally made China react. Although Nehru was unelected leader installed by UK, it was Indians fault to be completely stupid and accept him as authority. Blaming China is simply being unreasonable and arbitrary. How would India act if China sets up Kashmiri govt in exile? This is also why Vajpayee govt accepted Chinese control of Tibet and ended the annoyance.

As for 2020 clashes, it was not armed clashes but with sticks and stones and unlikely to be commanded by either of the leadership (no one will command their soldiers to fight with sticks). Also, India was trying to settle border dispute by sneakily trying to conquer additional peaks rather than China trying to conquer inch by inch, although this time it was not at the behest of CIA but just to secure the borders as the borders is closer to Indian population centre than Chinese. This is also why neither China nor India publish any info nor made any statement on the actual background of the clashes and it was all just media hype.

The complexity in India-China relationship arises because of strategic interest on Pakistan & middle east, mainly for the oil needs. India does not like anyone helping pakistan but China has no other way of getting its oil interests secured. India is wary of China getting too close to Pakistan & middle east to get major hold of oil supply and replace USA which will act as a continued external interference to Indian affairs with just the external agent switched from USA to China.

India-China has no cultural enmity as both are ancient civilisations and have been commonly harmed by the west. India is currently following a policy of neutrality with China. This is also why India refused to host Uighur separatists or support Hong Kong protests- both were western sponsored & India wanted no part in it. But India does not want China to be the next superpower by replacing USA's dominance in middle east but instead wants a multipolar world. Hence India won't ally with China either. This is why Jaishankar termed relation with China as "complex". It is not rivalry, enmity but simply greater geopolitical game taht transcends bilateral relations.

So, coming to war scenarios, China is no real threat to India. Indian 2 fronts are Pakistan & Bangladesh, not China. BD is small but its people have massive hatred against India and is an easy target for foreign agencies to set up anti-India sentiments. However, India uses China's name as a dummy target to justify defence developments and procurements as one can't really use weaklings like Pakistan or BD to build up major capabilities. But its is just a ploy/hype rather than real threat.
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Tereko kya yadi apna defence investment badhta hai ?
Tereko kya yadi apne ko , china se dushmani karni hai ?
Hume to aaj tak nai pata tha , ki chin Pakistan me gandh macha raha hai .
Ekdum nai naveli baat kardi bhai.
Lekin teko ye pata hai ki kitna gandh machya hai unhone wahan ?
India ke khilaf ?
Abe teko ye pata hai, ki pakistan ne illegally occupied shaksgaam valley chin ko dedi thi .
Ya chin , arunachal pradesh claim karta hai ?
Aur sikkim bhi ? ( Haa usne recognise kiya tha , lekin mauka mile to wo log Jharkhand tak chale aayenge.)
Aur ye pata hai kya re , ki china ne india ka aksai chin , ko kabza liya tha ?
62 me ?
Unhen ladakh bhi chaiye .
Dekh be ,mai kisi se aise baat nai karta , lekin tu sala deserve karta hai .
Ab tere se anurodh hai ki yaha gandh mat macha .
Aur cheen ka jo muh me leke baitha hai na , waisi harkatein mat kar .
@Azaad
@Wolfie
@Tactical Doge
@FalconSlayers
@SKC
 
Ultraman said:
who is "breaking bangles" ?

its land that belongs to arunachal people , just because some british guy couldnt draw map doesnt mean it now belongs to china
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Well yeah, but also realise neither Army nor GoI is interested in changing that white guy McMohan's border.

Arunachali & Ladakhi people deserve much more, that argument is futile. We lack the muscle power to snatch back territory.
 
Mr.Evil said:
What are we doing about it?
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Building infrastructure.
Mudi might be weak in terms of kinetic action but he has left no stoned unturned in pushing in thr infra development on the frontiers.
Dozen tunnels will come up in Kashmir itself reducing hours of travel time for both civilian and troops.

After a long time Railways are considering expansion in the Aruncahal.

The Kalapani roads is a preemptive measure to secure the weak points of Uttarakhand.
 
Suryavanshi said:
The Kalapani roads is a preemptive measure to secure the weak points of Uttarakhand.
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Kalapani-Lipulekh is really sensitive from an environmental standpoint. Bigger projects there will have serious long-term effects on nature. When we develop areas in the higher Himalayas, it brings in a lot of tourists, which ends up damaging the topology. Lipulekh projects in particular will attract huge number of reelers for Shri Kailash's view.

Strict rules to manage tourism with these projects are very much needed. Not all infrastructure projects are a good idea. For instance, Rishikesh-Karnprayag railway is a major mistake by Modi govt. Have seen it up close. Angry mountains can decimate anything and everything.
 
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