Indo-China Border & LAC

[FalconSlayers]

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[DingDong]

Those in Indian leadership and experts in foreign policy think that China with 4 times of Indian economy, having 2 times more military might than India and massive industrial complexes invaded in Ladakh to withdraw are big time jokers. They are big mouths and PR hungry people.

China will not withdraw and and after a decade they will repeat this again and take few more sq kms of land, without escalating the situation and keeping it low profile to avoid international observation.

No country will be eager for a negotiation if feels like "being in control" of a conflict. China is not an exception.

China will accept to restore the pre-April 2020 status quo only if not doing so will result in a land-swap.

The question is: does India hold a credible bargaining chip? Did we gain some during the border conflict?

 

[Screambowl]

China will accept to restore the pre-April 2020 status quo only if not doing so will result in a land-swap

does India hold a credible bargaining chip? Did we gain some during the border conflict?

I don't know what they are talking but Chinese do not recognize the whole LAC because as per them the agreement was signed between Britain, Tibet and China known as Simla Convention, but China later left the Convention and the agreement was with British India and Tibet only.

Chinese will not stop with any land swap they will want as much as possible before any agreement is signed with current Indian government. As soon as Britain left India the Chinese invaded Tibet because they consider whole Himalaya as the Tibetan territory and Tibet is now in China.

By the way Chinese are cunning they can also say that the agreement was signed between BJP government not Congress government in case in future Congress forms the government. They just need a bl**dy excuse to invade that's all.

 

[Screambowl]

The PLA troops deployed in Depsang, well inside the territory of India along the LAC with China, are continuing to block the Indian Army’s access to Patrolling Points 10, 11, 12, 12A, and 13. A face-off is also continuing in Demchok.

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/indian-chinese-diplomats-have-constructive-forward-looking-talks-to-completely-end-lac-stand-off-3131173

 

[sameer]

China will not withdraw and and after a decade they will repeat this again and take few more sq kms of land, without escalating the situation and keeping it low profile to avoid international observation.

China has always been like this. It's called salami slicing, basically making series of small actions rather than overt aggression and then camouflaging any offense as defense. They'll push the envelope only so much as to contain it into a small localized conflict rather than open war. They're currently doing this with almost every country they border with Phillipines, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc

Cheenis are the most double faced liars on this planet. Nothing they say should be taken at face value.

 

[DingDong]

China has always been like this. It's called salami slicing, basically making series of small actions rather than overt aggression and then camouflaging any offense as defense. They'll push the envelope only so much as to contain it into a small localized conflict rather than open war. They're currently doing this with almost every country they border with Phillipines, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc

Cheenis are the most double faced liars on this planet. Nothing they say should be taken at face value.

Remember Bhutan's flip-flops after the Doklam episode? Bhutan was so eager to buy a peace deal with China that it ignored India's repeated concerns and warnings. Ended up gifting more of it's land to China.

Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Maldives? Oh, and don't forget to mention the USA which is responsible for the rise of this CCP monster so much so that it has become a serious threat for the self-proclaimed superpower.

Philippines' somersaults on the South China sea issue are legendary.

Human greed and stupidity is limitless, and a pragmatic Chinese leadership is taking full advantage of it.

If China's "salami-slicing" strategy is working then it is partially the victims' fault. Why should China abandon something which is working so well in it's favor?

 

[Ultraman]

Those in Indian leadership and experts in foreign policy think that China with 4 times of Indian economy, having 2 times more military might than India and massive industrial complexes invaded in Ladakh to withdraw are big time jokers. They are big mouths and PR hungry people.

China will not withdraw and and after a decade they will repeat this again and take few more sq kms of land, without escalating the situation and keeping it low profile to avoid international observation.

apart from few small areas in AP , there isnt anything more to salami slice . time limit for that maybe 4-7 years , after that , its over.

best for GOI to just accept those areas as gone and push for a proper border deal with china .

 

[Blademaster]

apart from few small areas in AP , there isnt anything more to salami slice . time limit for that maybe 4-7 years , after that , its over.

best for GOI to just accept those areas as gone and push for a proper border deal with china .

No. Otherwise Chinese will keep thinking India as a pushover. India needs to start being more aggressive and recapture the lands.

 

[Screambowl]

best for GOI to just accept those areas as gone and push for a proper border deal with china .

This is not possible because after 1962 war there is a resolution passed in Parliament that whenever there is an opportunity India will take back the Aksai Chin till then constantly prepare for it.

Government giving away land will only mean that this government is a traitor government as per the resolution.

 

[mist_consecutive]

The only way to deal with China is with military might. They don't respect any agreements or borders. They are hyenas of highest order, they will prey on weakness whenever they see.

The only way forward with China is grow your military & ally with powerful countries to be a significant threat to China.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

No. Otherwise Chinese will keep thinking India as a pushover. India needs to start being more aggressive and recapture the lands.

For centuries Indian history has only been about losing land. Cannot think of one example where land was gained ?

 

[Ultraman]

This is not possible because after 1962 war there is a resolution passed in Parliament that whenever there is an opportunity India will take back the Aksai Chin till then constantly prepare for it.

Government giving away land will only mean that this government is a traitor government as per the resolution.

we r never gonna take aksai chin . doesnt matter what HM says or what resolution passes in parliament.

no govt has ever had any interest in building a proper military or long term investing in getting back pok and aksai chin.

reality now is us most likely losing some valleys in next 5 years . remains to be seen wheather response will be war or kohi nahi gussa 2.0

 

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[DingDong]

we r never gonna take aksai chin . doesnt matter what HM says or what resolution passes in parliament.

no govt has ever had any interest in building a proper military or long term investing in getting back pok and aksai chin.

reality now is us most likely losing some valleys in next 5 years . remains to be seen wheather response will be war or kohi nahi gussa 2.0

That is such a self-defeating idea.

Just because no government has tried to take back what was lost doesn't translate into giving up more under pressure. The nation states work on long term goals, long enough to take several generations for materialization. This is a game of patience.

The Mongol Empire was the second largest empire in terms of total area (after the British Empire). The modern Mongolia is not even a shadow of it's glorious past.

Japan accounted for around 65% of Asia's cumulative GDP back in 1990s, now look at them. During the early 1990s, India's GDP was smaller than the GDP of the European cities like London and Paris, now look at us.

The ground realities change with the passage of time and we must be prepared to take advantage. Nothing lasts forever.

 

[Blademaster]

we r never gonna take aksai chin . doesnt matter what HM says or what resolution passes in parliament.

no govt has ever had any interest in building a proper military or long term investing in getting back pok and aksai chin.

reality now is us most likely losing some valleys in next 5 years . remains to be seen wheather response will be war or kohi nahi gussa 2.0

Oh pls get the fuck outta here. We don’t need your self flagellating self defeatist attitude. It’s the likes of you that keeps India from getting stronger. Wanna know how India gets strong? It starts with getting rid of people with the same mentality like you.

 

[Ultraman]

That is such a self-defeating idea.

Just because no government has tried to take back what was lost doesn't translate into giving up more under pressure. The nation states work on long term goals, long enough to take several generations for materialization. This is a game of patience.

The Mongol Empire was the second largest empire in terms of total area (after the British Empire). The modern Mongolia is not even a shadow of it's glorious past.

Japan accounted for around 65% of Asia's cumulative GDP back in 1990s, now look at them. During the early 1990s, India's GDP was smaller than the GDP of the European cities like London and Paris, now look at us.

The ground realities change with the passage of time and we must be prepared to take advantage. Nothing lasts forever.

talk about loss in next 5-7 year period not generations

chinese are after all indian areas with buddish/tibetan links in AP . biggest one tawang is impossible rest are small areas .

problem is poor infra on our side . it will take 5-7 years to complete those infra so possibility of standoff or small loss is high within that period.

after 7 years border will simply freeze .

u can do "wishfull thinking" , but most likely scenario is that border will simply become status quo .

Remember Bhutan's flip-flops after the Doklam episode? Bhutan was so eager to buy a peace deal with China that it ignored India's repeated concerns and warnings. Ended up gifting more of it's land to China.

Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Maldives? Oh, and don't forget to mention the USA which is responsible for the rise of this CCP monster so much so that it has become a serious threat for the self-proclaimed superpower.

Philippines' somersaults on the South China sea issue are legendary.

Human greed and stupidity is limitless, and a pragmatic Chinese leadership is taking full advantage of it.

If China's "salami-slicing" strategy is working then it is partially the victims' fault. Why should China abandon something which is working so well in it's favor?

which land did bhutan "gift" to china ?

Chinese have been taking land here for a decade or more . even their so called protector is losing land to salami slicing . they remain silent because there is no scope for opposing Chinese.

 

[DingDong]

talk about loss in next 5-7 year period not generations

chinese are after all indian areas with buddish/tibetan links in AP . biggest one tawang is impossible rest are small areas .

problem is poor infra on our side . it will take 5-7 years to complete those infra so possibility of standoff or small loss is high within that period.

after 7 years border will simply freeze .

u can do "wishfull thinking" , but most likely scenario is that border will simply become status quo .



which land did bhutan "gift" to china ?

Chinese have been taking land here for a decade or more . even their so called protector is losing land to salami slicing . they remain silent because there is no scope for opposing Chinese.

Bhutan did not remain silent, it tried to muddy the water. All the statements originating from Bhutan were hinting that Doklam was irrelevant and Bhutan was ready to let go of the territorial claim if China was ready to sweeten the deal.

In essence, Bhutan was willing to grant the PLA deeper access to India's "Chicken Neck Corridor" in exchange for a good, sweet deal.

China is continuing what the Tibetan Ruling Oligarchy was trying to achieve before it got overthrown by the PLA. Had there been no sufficient deterrent, China would have walked right in. The LAC has remained peaceful overall except the 2020-21 flare-up.

As far as the most likely scenario is concerned, it will be determined by our long-term strategy. India will not start crawling just because an adversary wants us to "give up". Doesn't work that way.

 

[Anants]

For centuries Indian history has only been about losing land. Cannot think of one example where land was gained ?

71 and inclusion of goa, hyderabad and sikkim.

 

[Gandaberunda]

High time we should take over Bhutan and make it a UT/state with monarchy under King

 

[Ultraman]

Bhutan did not remain silent, it tried to muddy the water. All the statements originating from Bhutan were hinting that Doklam was irrelevant and Bhutan was ready to let go of the territorial claim if China was ready to sweeten the deal.



China is continuing what the Tibetan Ruling Oligarchy was trying to achieve before it got overthrown by the PLA. Had there been no sufficient deterrent, China would have walked right in. The LAC has remained peaceful overall except the 2020-21 flare-up.

As far as the most likely scenario is concerned, it will be determined by our long-term strategy. India will not start crawling just because an adversary wants us to "give up". Doesn't work that way.

All the statements originating from Bhutan were hinting that Doklam was irrelevant and Bhutan was ready to let go of the territorial claim if China was ready to sweeten the deal.

rubbish , doklam is not part of the talks and they did purely for India.

entire china-bhutan border talks are aimed to fucking india and they still managed to keep doklam out of it.

this is what china has done in bhutan , its large areas of northern bhutan . there is no so called "gifting' , reality is they cant do nothing against china . bhutan is helpless even with indian help .


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