Indo-China Border & LAC

[Anants]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1878292833486127311?t=aZlFyF92Ap_US7kgZpC-ug&s=19

Green nod came too soon... Army must thank it's stars that no full combat got initiated with China in between.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1878292833486127311?t=aZlFyF92Ap_US7kgZpC-ug&s=19

We don't need just 2 , we need them in hundreds dispersed along the entire LAC with hundreds of sub depots & so on.

I don't understand the need to publicise this bit of information. What next? Are they going to publish the co ordinates too?

 

[Blood+]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1878292833486127311?t=aZlFyF92Ap_US7kgZpC-ug&s=19

Chalo, mera eik dashak ka khwab pura ho raha hai.

 

[hurrians]

"The DG said the force prepared a "forwardisation plan" and, as part of this, a total of 56 ITBP border posts along the India-China Line of Actual Control (LAC) were being brought "closer" to the front."

https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/itbp-brings-forward-33-posts-along-china-lac-deploys-6-fresh-battalions-125010701056_1.html

Going forward moodiji will stop criticizing lehruji on chini policy.Maybe already initiated.

 

[hurrians]

"Pentagon exposes China, says it still has 1.2 lakh troops, Howitzers, missiles and even tanks near Indian border"​

Pentagon exposes China, says it still has 1.2 lakh troops, Howitzers, missiles and even tanks near Indian border

Chinas military presence along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) remains unaltered since the 2020 Galwan clash, with a significant troop presence and advanced weaponry in place. The Pentagons report reveals Chinas growing nuclear capabilities, naval power, and military tensions with Taiwan...

m.economictimes.com

Irrespective of USA , china has historically armed pakistan, bangladesh,nepal,srilanka and anyone else.its strategic support and arms supply to Pakistan is solely intended to keep India in Check. Yet there are Chinese apologetics who still yearn for Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai.

 

[Ultraman]

"The DG said the force prepared a "forwardisation plan" and, as part of this, a total of 56 ITBP border posts along the India-China Line of Actual Control (LAC) were being brought "closer" to the front."

https://www.business-standard.com/external-affairs-defence-security/news/itbp-brings-forward-33-posts-along-china-lac-deploys-6-fresh-battalions-125010701056_1.html

Going forward moodiji will stop criticizing lehruji on chini policy.Maybe already initiated.

"ITBP"

 

[Blademaster]

"ITBP"

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Why that face? It is a good move on India's strategic planners because ITBP will be a tripwire while they can serve as necessary manpower for patrolling and surveillance, freeing up crucial IA manpower and preserving them from first strike attacks.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Why that face? It is a good move on India's strategic planners because ITBP will be a tripwire while they can serve as necessary manpower for patrolling and surveillance, freeing up crucial IA manpower and preserving them from first strike attacks.

TLDR; ITBPs are inadequately trained to handle Chinese.

Chinese use specialised border regiments for border patrolling which are like recon battalions, and of course are part of PLA. This gives PLA direct command & control over the situation and formations, clear channels of communication and escalation wherever required.

Whereas on our side, we have 2 different command structures, IA (and rest of Armed Forces) and ITBP (reports to HM). Philosophy of handling the situation is different, and is just as you would expect.

Army responds with brawl, intimidation and muscle power whereas ITBPs written philosophy & command is just meek negotiation (never works).
Army thinks ITBPs are incompetent pussies and ITBP thinks Army is thick-headed bull. There is a mistrust among them.

Also its pertinent to mention a big reason for our slow response during initial days of April-May 2020 during Chinese capture of forward areas was because ITBP failed to not only gauge the gravity of the situation (a full-fledged invasion not a minor incursion/scuffle) but also failed to report it to Army upper command.

 

[daya]

"Pentagon exposes China, says it still has 1.2 lakh troops, Howitzers, missiles and even tanks near Indian border"​

Pentagon exposes China, says it still has 1.2 lakh troops, Howitzers, missiles and even tanks near Indian border

Chinas military presence along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) remains unaltered since the 2020 Galwan clash, with a significant troop presence and advanced weaponry in place. The Pentagons report reveals Chinas growing nuclear capabilities, naval power, and military tensions with Taiwan...

m.economictimes.com

Irrespective of USA , china has historically armed pakistan, bangladesh,nepal,srilanka and anyone else.its strategic support and arms supply to Pakistan is solely intended to keep India in Check. Yet there are Chinese apologetics who still yearn for Hindi Chini Bhai Bhai.

So what, another Kadi Ninda Type statement will be issued.

 

[Blademaster]

TLDR; ITBPs are inadequately trained to handle Chinese.

Chinese use specialised border regiments for border patrolling which are like recon battalions, and of course are part of PLA. This gives PLA direct command & control over the situation and formations, clear channels of communication and escalation wherever required.

Whereas on our side, we have 2 different command structures, IA (and rest of Armed Forces) and ITBP (reports to HM). Philosophy of handling the situation is different, and is just as you would expect.

Army responds with brawl, intimidation and muscle power whereas ITBPs written philosophy & command is just meek negotiation (never works).
Army thinks ITBPs are incompetent pussies and ITBP thinks Army is thick-headed bull. There is a mistrust among them.

Also its pertinent to mention a big reason for our slow response during initial days of April-May 2020 during Chinese capture of forward areas was because ITBP failed to not only gauge the gravity of the situation (a full-fledged invasion not a minor incursion/scuffle) but also failed to report it to Army upper command.

That means ITBP needs to get more training and resources and better officers.

 

[Anants]

That means ITBP needs to get more training and resources and better officers.

Actually its needs to be under MoD and under Army Leadership. ITBP, Assam Rifles both need to be under MoD. They should have same training curriculum as Army (which I am to understand from ancient rants from DFI to DFB that its not great anyway)

 

[karn]

When I was in north Sikkim REDACTED CLASSIFIED INFORMATION
I don't think actual ammo storage and other preparations are publicized the way acquisitions are.
PS these were in addition the very obvious army bases and posts.

 

[mist_consecutive]

When I was in north Sikkim I saw many caverns (one was large enough to have 2 trucks drive in side by side) and partially hidden caves with metal shutters. There was no obvious way for civilians to reach these areas. I also saw some t72s hidden in fake buildings and plenty of fake tanks at some points along the valley there.
I don't think actual ammo storage and other preparations are publicized the way acquisitions are.
PS these were in addition the very obvious army bases and posts.

 

[mist_consecutive]

That means ITBP needs to get more training and resources and better officers.

ITBP, BSF, SSB & Assam Rifles has no reason to be under Home Ministry. They should be reporting to MoD and have reporting to a General-Ranking officer in Army.

Leaders of ITBP, BSF & SSBs are from IPS cadres which lack necessary training, indoctrination and experience required to handle situation required to deal with our cross-border enemies.

Concept that Army is a purely an "offensive" force and has no business guarding the borders is outdated and myopic. Army already handles a large swathe of border protection in volatile fronts anyway. With 2 of our enemies nuclear and rabid, Army's presence is required 24 X 7 anyway.

 

[karn]

Meh .. When most folks here seem to think that ammo storage is held up by the green tribunal some reality check is in order. Heck I did not even mention all the cleverly hidden helipads either.

 

[Blademaster]

Meh .. When most folks here seem to think that ammo storage is held up by the green tribunal some reality check is in order. Heck I did not even mention all the cleverly hidden helipads either.

Do not go public with opsec sensitive info. Keep it to yourself.

 

[karn]

Do not go public with opsec sensitive info. Keep it to yourself.

The things I saw were literally from the main civilian road I had no special access.. All I'm saying is there is a lot of preparation atleast defensively not what the bhosdapilllers would like to believe.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Meh .. When most folks here seem to think that ammo storage is held up by the green tribunal some reality check is in order. Heck I did not even mention all the cleverly hidden helipads either.

The things I saw were literally from the main civilian road I had no special access.. All I'm saying is there is a lot of preparation atleast defensively not what the bhosdapilllers would like to believe.

I feel you, handling bhosdapillers are getting hard on this forum. All they do is cuss the Armed Forces and cry. Can't tell you how many times I myself feel revealing some juicy details (and sometimes I do) to calm them down. But its temporary. Its like throwing a glass of water in a Volcano.

Point is bhosdapiller are gonna cry no matter whatever you do or say. If we win PoK tomorrow they are still gonna cry China will take NE. Its a habit, you can't fix them.

Regarding the information being open source / out in open, A lot of sensitive information is floating out there, point is don't make it easier for the enemy. Don't believe me ?

Take this viral tweet of mine from last year -


View: https://x.com/_consecutive/status/1746459505284546905

It was a boring 2-hour long video of Western Command gallantry award ceremony. But it contain such juicy details which not even news sources had any info. Soon after my tweet the video was removed from Youtube.