Indo-China Border & LAC

[randombully]

I stopped taking Chinese seriously when they agreed to the ceasefire and went back last year. If you don’t have the courage to fight a war at a time when IAF is at its weakest and you have a 5 times larger economy than us, you are never going to achieve anything against us.

They have Taiwan and US and Japan( probably sk) to deal with.
Their current strategy is to not have any conflict or war with India but also try to subtly make india compromise somewhat through power play and bullying, which didn't happen as we didn't budge

That's why chinese now want to maintain peace again and went back to previous status quo.

But chances of another conflict that can turn into wat while quite low still exist.

And if in future china gets Taiwan peacufully,as in US decided it's not worth it
then we will ge next on its target list.

 

[crazywithmath]

See, this is why I say keep wumaos out of serious threads. You do not get different perpectives from state backed trolls quoting Sawhenstein, of all.

 

[Spacemarine]

See, this is why I say keep wumaos out of serious threads. You do not get different perpectives from state backed trolls quoting Sawhenstein, of all.

no we like them for the entertainment they provide plus they are only few foren guests here

 

[mist_consecutive]

I stopped taking Chinese seriously when they agreed to the ceasefire and went back last year. If you don’t have the courage to fight a war at a time when IAF is at its weakest and you have a 5 times larger economy than us, you are never going to achieve anything against us.

China don't want a full-fledged war with us which will bind its economy and destroy is economic progress for nothing.

They have no real incentive to fight us, and I agree. They are correctly focusing their energy on Taiwan which is worth it.

 

[Ultraman]

I stopped taking Chinese seriously when they agreed to the ceasefire and went back last year. If you don’t have the courage to fight a war at a time when IAF is at its weakest and you have a 5 times larger economy than us, you are never going to achieve anything against us.

no full war , but some escalation in near future is very likely .

they are still looking to grab chunks of land in AP near border . one place in particular is very important to tibet and we have no roads there.

they are waiting on infra projects to complete , expecting large PLA vs IA mma match in near future

 

[Ultraman]

PLA left , our 3 trucks still there


View: https://x.com/Mukambo1987/status/1892262670100725785

 

[IndiaRising]

China don't want a full-fledged war with us which will bind its economy and destroy is economic progress for nothing.

They have no real incentive to fight us, and I agree. They are correctly focusing their energy on Taiwan which is worth it.

China has a very short time period before even Taiwan will go out of its reach. Their demographics are not looking good post 2034. Xi practically has less than a decade left to achieve this.

 

[IndiaRising]

no full war , but some escalation in near future is very likely .

they are still looking to grab chunks of land in AP near border . one place in particular is very important to tibet and we have no roads there.

they are waiting on infra projects to complete , expecting large PLA vs IA mma match in near future

I think they will focus more on coercing Bhutan, especially to,give up land in the East.

 

[rockdog]

View: https://x.com/Mrcool63040811/status/1892249792417255468?t=SyGrn1Rg0COoLx-3LslDgA&s=19

 

[mist_consecutive]

Don’t wanna jinx it by saying but it seems Bhutan is gonna merge with India and keep its special rights like Sikkim.

 

[IndiaRising]

Don’t wanna jinx it by saying but it seems Bhutan is gonna merge with India and keep its special rights like Sikkim.

If you go up 2 posts, I literally just said that Chinese have their eyes on Bhutan lol. They want to gobble the area west of tawang to add more pressure on us. My first suspicion of Bhutan started last year when Modi, in the middle of elections, went for a visit to Bhutan. It struck me as very odd. I don’t know if we plan to annex Bhutan, but certainly if Bhutanese are entertaining China, then we will put our foot down. We should annex it. Population of Bhutan is less than 9 lakh people anyway. It’s up for grabs.

 

[Ultraman]

Don’t wanna jinx it by saying but it seems Bhutan is gonna merge with India and keep its special rights like Sikkim.

even u believe the nonsense on twitter ?

more likely scenario is that bhutan china border deal is near completion . they are gonna hand over all chene occupied land in west except for doklam to china . all their visit here is a balancing act.

I think they will focus more on coercing Bhutan, especially to,give up land in the East.

not sure but chinese incursion is limited in west and north . havent heard of chinese moving into territory in east.

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reminder that bhutan BLOCKED a joint road project in bhutan that would have helped us with Tawang defense. reason being china . very hard to believe these people will join india

 

[mist_consecutive]

If you go up 2 posts, I literally just said that Chinese have their eyes on Bhutan lol. They want to gobble the area west of tawang to add more pressure on us. My first suspicion of Bhutan started last year when Modi, in the middle of elections, went for a visit to Bhutan. It struck me as very odd. I don’t know if we plan to annex Bhutan, but certainly if Bhutanese are entertaining China, then we will put our foot down. We should annex it. Population of Bhutan is less than 9 lakh people anyway. It’s up for grabs.

Uncle sam nahi manenge.

even u believe the nonsense on twitter ?

more likely scenario is that bhutan china border deal is near completion . they are gonna hand over all chene occupied land in west except for doklam to china . all their visit here is a balancing act.

I didn't want to. But the way entire Bhutanese leadership is here in Delhi meeting with not only ministers but -


View: https://x.com/IndiaToday/status/1886824241619984808

Bro what? A reminder that Bhutanese dignitaries & including its king are buddhists (they don't follow kumbh).

Also if Bhutan is sucking up to us because we caught them in bed with China then we will see military level engagement or at least engagement with MoD not just civilian leadership.


View: https://x.com/narendramodi/status/1892927412880687219

Also the love is not one-sided (that is expected if Bhutan is trying to backstab us) but mutual.

But again,

reminder that bhutan BLOCKED a joint road project in bhutan that would have helped us with Tawang defense. reason being china . very hard to believe these people will join india

No point in poking a bear unless you are ready for a confrontation, maybe they are ready now.

 

[Azaad]

Uncle sam nahi manenge.



I didn't want to. But the way entire Bhutanese leadership is here in Delhi meeting with not only ministers but -


View: https://x.com/IndiaToday/status/1886824241619984808

Bro what? A reminder that Bhutanese dignitaries & including its king are buddhists (they don't follow kumbh).

Also if Bhutan is sucking up to us because we caught them in bed with China then we will see military level engagement or at least engagement with MoD not just civilian leadership.


View: https://x.com/narendramodi/status/1892927412880687219

Also the love is not one-sided (that is expected if Bhutan is trying to backstab us) but mutual.

But again,

No point in poking a bear unless you are ready for a confrontation, maybe they are ready now.

If Bhutan actually merges with India , there'd be no buffer left & all the territories lost to Chinese salami slicing becomes ours to claim not to mention this will act as a grave provocation to China.

You can bet the next war then will be triggered by seeing them attempt something similar to Doklam in 2017 but with a full fledged army along with ALL the supporting elements.

At the same time , our options are limited . Even if there's no merger & Bhutan tries its best to postpone the inevitable by stalling talks like it has done in the past , China'd still come calling with similar force levels as described above to force the issue. Bhutan is simply in no position to oppose them . What will our response be ?

Whichever way the problem is diced , confrontation becomes inevitable. We just cannot permit the Chinese into Doklam being passive to their aggression , expecting the best . Appeasement has never worked nor will it work in the present day .

 

[Hari Sud]

Is Trump forcing India China Bonhomie

A few years back expansionist China instituted hostility in the Himalayas to intimidate India. It almost succeeded until India replicated Chinese type of military buildup together with development and infrastructure to equalize the score. In last little while, Indian nuclear missiles attained range and lethality to reach Peking. On top of that Indian made nuclear submarines forced China to rethink. They had never paid much attention to South-Western border as most of Chinese developments were in the east. Rise of Indian missiles has started to bother China. Now they have started to build a large radar sight in the south-western region precisely to counter India missiles flying over the region and reaching Peking.

Now Chinese, although they are extra proud of their iron clad stranglehold on the Western economies of cheap goods did not pay attention to India’s emergence. But now they are…..Why?

1. India militarily and economically emerging as a power,

2. Unpredictable Trump is remaking the trade world with huge consequences for China. Also militarily, U.S. is building in Indo-Pacific to prevent Chinese intimidation.

The net impact of both these above and with closure of Ukraine war, the Chinese are guessing what is next for them.

If Trump and Putin shake hands, it will leave Chinese without an ally and a military supplier. Also, if Trump can abandon Ukraine and Europe then he can come with a heavy hand on the Chinese to back off Taiwan, Philippines, and rest of South China Sea.

Hence, Chinese under geo-political pressure wish to mend fences in the neighbourhood first. Their fight with India was for prestige and less for territory, hence setting fences right with India is a higher priority for them

India on its part is not unwilling. In one year, Modi met Xi and later Indian NSA paid visit to Peking and now the two foreign ministers have met. All this is to pave the way to mutual de-escalation.

A lot of work is pending but a beginning has been made.

 

[helin]

Is Trump forcing India China Bonhomie

A few years back expansionist China instituted hostility in the Himalayas to intimidate India. It almost succeeded until India replicated Chinese type of military buildup together with development and infrastructure to equalize the score. In last little while, Indian nuclear missiles attained range and lethality to reach Peking. On top of that Indian made nuclear submarines forced China to rethink. They had never paid much attention to South-Western border as most of Chinese developments were in the east. Rise of Indian missiles has started to bother China. Now they have started to build a large radar sight in the south-western region precisely to counter India missiles flying over the region and reaching Peking.

Now Chinese, although they are extra proud of their iron clad stranglehold on the Western economies of cheap goods did not pay attention to India’s emergence. But now they are…..Why?

1. India militarily and economically emerging as a power,

2. Unpredictable Trump is remaking the trade world with huge consequences for China. Also militarily, U.S. is building in Indo-Pacific to prevent Chinese intimidation.

The net impact of both these above and with closure of Ukraine war, the Chinese are guessing what is next for them.

If Trump and Putin shake hands, it will leave Chinese without an ally and a military supplier. Also, if Trump can abandon Ukraine and Europe then he can come with a heavy hand on the Chinese to back off Taiwan, Philippines, and rest of South China Sea.

Hence, Chinese under geo-political pressure wish to mend fences in the neighbourhood first. Their fight with India was for prestige and less for territory, hence setting fences right with India is a higher priority for them

India on its part is not unwilling. In one year, Modi met Xi and later Indian NSA paid visit to Peking and now the two foreign ministers have met. All this is to pave the way to mutual de-escalation.

A lot of work is pending but a beginning has been made.

China and India will improve relations,

Russia and China are not allies, and Russia is not a military supplier to China.

 

[DingDong]

If Bhutan actually merges with India , there'd be no buffer left & all the territories lost to Chinese salami slicing becomes ours to claim not to mention this will act as a grave provocation to China.

You can bet the next war then will be triggered by seeing them attempt something similar to Doklam in 2017 but with a full fledged army along with ALL the supporting elements.

At the same time , our options are limited . Even if there's no merger & Bhutan tries its best to postpone the inevitable by stalling talks like it has done in the past , China'd still come calling with similar force levels as described above to force the issue. Bhutan is simply in no position to oppose them . What will our response be ?

Whichever way the problem is diced , confrontation becomes inevitable. We just cannot permit the Chinese into Doklam being passive to their aggression , expecting the best . Appeasement has never worked nor will it work in the present day .

Bhutan's territorial loss to China was a result of the double game which Bhutan's political leadership tried to play against India. I hope that they have learned their lessons.

I don't see any benefit in maintaining Bhutan as a buffer. What is the function of such a buffer which cannot defend itself, neither does it allow us to defend it?

The Eastern sector in general, places us at higher elevations compared to the Chinese. This is a huge tactical disadvantage for the PLA. Hence even if an aggression comes, it is unlikely to come from the East.

After the 2020 skirmishes, PLA must have realized that dealing with the Indian defense forces is nothing like dealing with the likes of Philippines.