Indo US Relations (2 Viewers)

[chnvipgz]

Its time to be realistic….

We cant do shit to USA

Economically we are not even 7 times of USA
Militarily may be 70X less powerful
And Geopolitical level not even 700X

Lets see how we can bend and get some positives

Blame the sikular gandhian low merit quota antihindu republic and it's upsc babus.

 

[Captscooby]

Seems like Arabs poured billions on behalf of deep state to Trump

More precisely if i want to say its the LNG Juuuzeeera Thugs who fund the MB and the rest their generous donations to DO-Lund should have raised alarm bells for us ..Nothing surprising now Porki pigs are getting so much shoulder to cry in Burger lund

Also on Quad .its dead the day Shinzo san has been killed . Quad was his idea his vision and he roped in the rest 3 one by one .

 

[Tumba]

Bending se kya mila Bhai abtak? We should keep it purely transactional. I'm not saying we should antagonise America. But showing a bit fang is not a bad thing. Even Japan does it for diplomatic matters sometimes. Overtly bending to Trump gave jacksh*t in last few months. They are superior power nothing to deny there. But doesn't mean we should go above and beyond to show them our asses to pummel their banana into it just to get that sweet sweet dollar just like Al-Bakistan. There should be some dignity we should maintain. Trade deal for example we can't just give everything on platter to US. They even want open access to our dairy, agriculture, etc. There are certain things where we can't bent because of various reasons including domestic politics. If India bents to US demands and tomorrow ends MSP do you think farmers would stay calm? Obviously not. We have not bent to US demands in WTO for many years precisely because how it gonna mess up the situation in our domestic politics.

Let us keep doing trade with them. Buy some token weapons here and there. Get sh*t that doesn't come with some strings attached. Nothing beyond that. India shouldn't become vassal state of USA.

I understand what you are saying but this is not realistic…

India cant do shit against USA in Trade(we are barely a notable trade partner to them)
On other hand they are our biggest

India cant do shit against USA in militarily(we depend on their Jet Engines without that our whole indigenous Jet fighter including AMCA game crashes

India cant do shit to against USA geopolitically(we all seen what they can do to Modi despite Ram Mandir Modi due to games played by USA and its internet control barely survived with 240 seats)

So lets be realistic and bend the knee to superior force until we are strong enough

So its time Mr Foreign Minister of India stops asserting India view on public forums…
Mellow down a little lets have trade deal with USA with some compromise and strengthen India under Modi and hopefully Yogi for next 2-3 decades then we can challenge USA until then time to limit ourselves to our aukat

 

[LastMythin]

I understand what you are saying but this is not realistic…

India cant do shit against USA in Trade(we are barely a notable trade partner to them)
On other hand they are our biggest

India cant do shit against USA in militarily(we depend on their Jet Engines without that our whole indigenous Jet fighter including AMCA game crashes

India cant do shit to against USA geopolitically(we all seen what they can do to Modi despite Ram Mandir Modi due to games played by USA and its internet control barely survived with 240 seats)

So lets be realistic and bend the knee to superior force until we are strong enough

So its time Mr Foreign Minister of India stops asserting India view on public forums…
Mellow down a little lets have trade deal with USA with some compromise and strengthen India under Modi and hopefully Yogi for next 2-3 decades then we can challenge USA until then time to limit ourselves to our aukat

The us will never let us get even close to challenging. They are not stupid enough to make another china. Bending the knee to them means dismemberment into more pliable ethno-lingual vassal states.

 

[Hari Sud]

Its time to be realistic….

We cant do shit to USA

Economically we are not even 7 times of USA
Militarily may be 70X less powerful
And Geopolitical level not even 700X

Lets see how we can bend and get some positives

Tiny countries like Vietnam beat the hell out of US and after receiving the beating US is doing massive business with them. Same came true in Afghanistan although doing business has not started with them as yet.

My point is that US cannot militarily intimidate India. India is big enough to force them back. Moreover in this interconnected world the big US cannot intimidate tiny Iran.

 

[redpanda]

I understand what you are saying but this is not realistic…

India cant do shit against USA in Trade(we are barely a notable trade partner to them)
On other hand they are our biggest

India cant do shit against USA in militarily(we depend on their Jet Engines without that our whole indigenous Jet fighter including AMCA game crashes

India cant do shit to against USA geopolitically(we all seen what they can do to Modi despite Ram Mandir Modi due to games played by USA and its internet control barely survived with 240 seats)

So lets be realistic and bend the knee to superior force until we are strong enough

So its time Mr Foreign Minister of India stops asserting India view on public forums…
Mellow down a little lets have trade deal with USA with some compromise and strengthen India under Modi and hopefully Yogi for next 2-3 decades then we can challenge USA until then time to limit ourselves to our aukat

I'm not saying let's do some big level thing like China. You are assuming I'm suggesting us waging some trade war with them. I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying we should have a passive aggressive diplomacy. No need to go full on meek mode. Nothing ever has come from going full docile to US. They still will treat you like shit. And in diplomacy you gotta show some leverage and monkey balancing to get good deal. India can always show it fangs tactically like Japan, Vietnam, etc. within a limit. That is how you don't get scammed. Otherwise docile meek thing you are suggesting would lead to us getting scammed by USA. I'm against the idea of us being subservient to USA. It should be tactical give and take relationship that's it..no need to openly antagonise them.

 

[Tumba]

enough of this bravado when India is just like a helpless toddler infront of a rapist goon USA

Time to reach to some understanding with USA … enough of assertions Mr Foreign Minister …

May be the bolder statements leave it gor diplomatic meets publicly lets be non assertive

 

[LastMythin]

enough of this bravado when India is just like a helpless toddler infront of a rapist goon USA

Time to reach to some understanding with USA … enough of assertions Mr Foreign Minister …

May be the bolder statements leave it gor diplomatic meets publicly lets be non assertive

You let a bully push you around then the bully will always come back to demand more. We let america in too much we are cooked, they will under no circumstances let another china rise to ever challenge them.
What understanding are you talking about? handing over our nukes? Disarming the country? Handing over kashmir to pakistan? I wonder what "understanding" will finally please daddy dolund enough to let us off the hook for the next 15 years

 

[redpanda]

enough of this bravado when India is just like a helpless toddler infront of a rapist goon USA

Time to reach to some understanding with USA … enough of assertions Mr Foreign Minister …

May be the bolder statements leave it gor diplomatic meets publicly lets be non assertive

Haan bhai tumhari Maan lete hum hai toddler chalo andman de dete hain ban jayenge phir superpower hum aur 2050 mein ladenge US se. Asian Nato join kar lete aur phir sovereignty jo thoda bohut woh bhi de denge USA ko. Dude there are things where India can't obviously agree with the US? Why shouldn't India stand up there? For example in case of its own national security. Should India shape it according to the US's whim? Obviously not. You are not even understanding my point. Chalo rehne do. We should reach a diplomatic understanding for sure. But not the level where you act like a toddler and say "US papa US papa lob me". You don't become it's illegitimate child like Pakistan and dream about being superpower. Need to still show some dignity in geopolitics..If you keep acting non-assertive then you will end up getting tactical defanged upto a point just left with enough to chew but not bite. Good luck ever thinking taking over PoK if you fully agree to everything US spouts. Rather being too assertive or too subservient we should be pragmatic as usual. We aren't some sub-saharan country tumba. We still have some leverage.

 

[Nibbler]

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Now, ape wants to mediate on Kashmir.

Expect more "news" about Pak getting J-Whatever & another set of news that only F-Whatever is the antidote.

Bhai Bhai

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US China are headed for decoupling.

Neither side will stick to the deal.

As for India, the only thing US wants from us is to be enemies with china.

Which offers 0 leverage to india vis-a-vis the US because the chings want to antagonize us regardless.

 

[Nicky]

We can't be emotional about the US backing Porkies for whatever their reason is.

Russia backs China, but we don't say that Russia has betrayed us.

Every country is driven by self interest. We want to have good relationship with both Israel and Iran.

So let's be practical and work out how we can benefit from each relationship. US is primarily for trade. Russia is primarily oil and defense.

India-US will always be transactional.

 

[Drwho]

Haan bhai tumhari Maan lete hum hai toddler chalo andman de dete hain ban jayenge phir superpower hum aur 2050 mein ladenge US se. Asian Nato join kar lete aur phir sovereignty jo thoda bohut woh bhi de denge USA ko. Dude there are things where India can't obviously agree with the US? Why shouldn't India stand up there? For example in case of its own national security. Should India shape it according to the US's whim? Obviously not. You are not even understanding my point. Chalo rehne do. We should reach a diplomatic understanding for sure. But not the level where you act like a toddler and say "US papa US papa lob me". You don't become it's illegitimate child like Pakistan and dream about being superpower. Need to still show some dignity in geopolitics..If you keep acting non-assertive then you will end up getting tactical defanged upto a point just left with enough to chew but not bite. Good luck ever thinking taking over PoK if you fully agree to everything US spouts. Rather being too assertive or too subservient we should be pragmatic as usual. We aren't some sub-saharan country tumba. We still have some leverage.

Abso frkn lutly right brother. USA will never have india as replacement for their lovechild porkistan. We need tougher stand diplomacy is not about : yes sir but NO!
Why should we be proxy of USA against china. If we can’t have good relationship with china why ruin it further. Or ruin it with Russia or Iran we benefit more with them than USA.

USA accepts only tough language if u give them tough time they might deal fairly. So showing spine is important.

Also when did USA not stab its own ? Or when did they win a war when they have initiated wars all over. They just get money and loot from everyone and leave . So it’s not even so important as everyone made it to be. We have most population in world and we do have voice.

 

[Nibbler]

We can't be emotional about the US backing Porkies for whatever their reason is.

Russia backs China, but we don't say that Russia has betrayed us.

Every country is driven by self interest. We want to have good relationship with both Israel and Iran.

So let's be practical and work out how we can benefit from each relationship. US is primarily for trade. Russia is primarily oil and defense.

India-US will always be transactional.

US wants power over everyone. India AND Pakistan. why would they just cede Pak to China. They think they can have us both.

I may anger some people here by saying this. But frankly if india doesnt want to crush Pakistan and wants to do these little tit for tat skirmishes then we are in tacit agreement with them that we will need someone to mediate anyway.

Imo India should do everything in its power to

1. Increase its comprehensive power
2. Incite the US and China into as much brutal confrontation as possible

They should both be degraded as much as possible.

 

[Nicky]

US wants power over everyone. India AND Pakistan. why would they just cede Pak to China. They think they can have us both.

I may anger some people here by saying this. But frankly if india doesnt want to crush Pakistan and wants to do these little tit for tat skirmishes then we are in tacit agreement with them that we will need someone to mediate anyway.

Imo India should do everything in its power to

1. Increase its comprehensive power
2. Incite the US and China into as much brutal confrontation as possible

They should both be degraded as much as possible.

The US wants obedience and we have done too many things to assert out independence.

Looks like we will go for Su57 and more S400, while we are not considering F35, that will anger the US establishment further.

So they wag the good old dog Porkies, so let them.

I too don't believe our establishment wants to finish off Porkies militarily. We feel it's best to grow stronger and keep an eye on the east.

People moaning about the US is silly. Let's cool relations with both US and China. Get what we can from both and continue to strengthen ourselves.

The biggest danger is internal. Both jehadis and the opposition.

 

[Nibbler]

The US wants obedience and we have done too many things to assert out independence.

Looks like we will go for Su57 and more S400, while we are not considering F35, that will anger the US establishment further.

So they wag the good old dog Porkies, so let them.

I too don't believe our establishment wants to finish off Porkies militarily. We feel it's best to grow stronger and keep an eye on the east.

People moaning about the US is silly. Let's cool relations with both US and China. Get what we can from both and continue to strengthen ourselves.

The biggest danger is internal. Both jehadis and the opposition.

I think even if india did go for f35. The US would try to establish a relationship with pak.

 

[Selvam91]

I think even if india did go for f35. The US would try to establish a relationship with pak.

US considers both Russia and Iran as their main enemies. But we are continuing trade with both these countries. Pakistan is not USA's enemy infact they r major non nato ally.So they will continue to help Pakistan. just accept it move on.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Something to remember as India-US trade negotiations are going on.


View: https://x.com/dwarkesh_sp/status/1932837084513120313

 

[Nicky]

I think even if india did go for f35. The US would try to establish a relationship with pak.

I concur which is why it was dumb to rely of GE414 for Mk2 and it will be the height of idiocy to go for F35.

 

[Nicky]

US considers both Russia and Iran as their main enemies. But we are continuing trade with both these countries. Pakistan is not USA's enemy infact they r major non nato ally.So they will continue to help Pakistan. just accept it move on.

The mistake Modi made was believing the president can change the US establishment. Getting too close to Trump was stupid. Presidents come and go and they change, like Trump has.

Keep relationship with the US transactional and build your strength via non-US sources.

 

[silentassassin265]

The mistake Modi made was believing the president can change the US establishment. Getting too close to Trump was stupid. Presidents come and go and they change, like Trump has.

Keep relationship with the US transactional and build your strength via non-US sources.

Trump is literally Orange, he changes his mood season by season.
Nobody knows what he will do next year.