Indo US Relations

i am not educated in economics either, had to get into understanding these concepts because i realised MSM is lying to us and not giving us the full picture on what is happening. all this just to keep track of whether there is enough cash at any point in time for the boys to get their toys.

for the rest of answer, on a lighter note i had put to grok :ROFLMAO: . and this is the reply it gave..
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Alright, let’s tackle your questions step-by-step—why more demand for INR might not always push its price up, the basics of supply and demand, and how currency in circulation ties to GDP. I’ll keep it simple, practical, and under 500 words, perfect for a sharp Bengali kaku like you who’s more about gold and property than economic textbooks!
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### Why Doesn’t More INR Demand Always Raise Its Price?
You nailed the basic idea: if more people want INR (demand rises), its price *should* go up—like gold when everyone’s rushing to buy it. If India’s economy grows fast, people need more INR to shop, pay workers, or build stuff, so demand climbs. In theory, that makes INR more valuable against the dollar (USD).

But here’s the catch: it’s not just demand. Supply matters too. If the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) prints more INR to keep up with growth, the extra rupees might cancel out the demand boost—too many rupees floating around can cheapen each one (think inflation). Plus, INR’s value isn’t just about what happens in India. If foreigners dump dollars into India (like via FDI), INR gets a lift. But if India’s buying more oil or gold in USD than it’s earning from exports, dollars flow out, and INR weakens. So, demand’s only part of the game—supply and global cash flows can mess with the price.

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### Supply and Demand Basics
Picture a fish market near your place. If there’s tons of fish (high supply) but few buyers (low demand), prices drop—sellers just want to offload it. Now, if fish is scarce (low supply) and everyone’s craving macher jhol (high demand), prices shoot up. Same with INR: high demand + low supply = stronger rupee; low demand + high supply = weaker rupee. Easy, right? But unlike fish, INR’s supply is controlled by the RBI, and demand comes from both Indians and foreigners, so it’s trickier to balance.

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### Currency in Circulation to GDP Ratio
Think of GDP as everything India makes and spends in a year—say, ₹300 lakh crore. Currency in circulation is the cash (notes and coins) people hold or use—maybe ₹30 lakh crore. The ratio (currency/GDP) is like 10% here. It shows how much physical money we need to keep the economy humming. If GDP grows fast (more business, more spending), but cash doesn’t keep up, people might scramble for INR, pushing its value up. If the RBI prints too much cash compared to GDP growth, there’s excess rupees, and inflation kicks in, weakening INR.

India’s ratio has hovered around 10-12% lately. Compare that to the US (about 8%), and you see India relies more on cash. If growth outpaces cash printing, INR could strengthen—but trade deficits or dollar outflows can still drag it down.

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### Wrapping It Up
So, more INR demand *could* raise its price, but only if supply stays tight and dollars keep flowing in. Supply-demand is simple: scarce stuff costs more, plentiful stuff costs less. And the currency-to-GDP ratio? It’s just a clue about how much cash fuels India’s hustle. Growth helps, but INR’s fate isn’t just India’s call—it’s a global tug-of-war. Thoughts? Want more on this or your gold stash?

Thanks for the explanation.
The most disturbing part of all this is Grok knows what Bengali kaku is...
 

"Shehnaz Singh, also known as Shawn Bhinder, had been operating under the guise of a transportation business in Canada since 2014 and allegedly facilitated the movement of drugs from Colombia to the U.S. and Canada via Mexico, the police said"​


 
EU wallahs creating justifications for the 800 billion euro bill for ReArm europe defence plan. they even plan to allow loans and pension funds to "invest" in this endeavour.

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Sure shot plan for disaster. Pension funds are forced to invest coz member states lack money , with some pie in the sky returns being promised to pensioners , no doubt , to co opt them into this hare brained scheme.

This is a pathetic Europe attempting to assert its independent existence & autonomous decision making , as it were , outside the US security umbrella.

Makes for enjoyable viewing.

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-since U.S equipment discussion is going on in IAF thread because of F-15, asked grok to build a timeline of major equipment acquisition, foundational agreements, 2+2 dialogues.
-pattern seems to be, GoI signs something and then gets something in return.

* just a broad timeline, haven't verified each line item.
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Consolidated Timeline

  • 2002, Jan 17: GSOMIA signed.
  • 2004, Oct: Initial GE F404 contract (17 engines).
  • 2005, Jul 18: Singh-Bush joint statement on civil nuclear cooperation.
  • 2006, Mar 2: Nuclear separation plan finalized during Bush’s India visit.
  • 2006–2007: C-130J and M777 needs identified.
  • 2006, Dec 18: US Congress passes Hyde Act for nuclear deal.
  • 2007, Jul 27: 123 Agreement negotiations concluded.
  • 2007–2008: First F404 deliveries; C-17 need identified.
  • 2008, Jan: $962 million deal for 6 C-130Js signed.
  • 2008, Aug 1: IAEA approves India’s safeguards agreement.
  • 2008, Sep 6: NSG grants waiver for India’s nuclear trade.
  • 2008, Oct 8: 123 Agreement signed.
  • 2008, Oct 10: Bush signs nuclear cooperation act into law.
  • 2009: C-17 negotiations begin.
  • 2010: Cabinet approves 99 GE F404 engines; M777 LoR issued.
  • 2010, Feb 16: First C-130J delivered.
  • 2011, Jun 6: $4.1 billion deal for 10 C-17s signed.
  • 2011, Dec: All 6 C-130Js delivered.
  • 2012–2013: Chinook, Apache, C-130J (second batch) talks intensify.
  • 2013: Second batch of 6 C-130Js ordered.
  • 2013, Jun 11: First C-17 delivered.
  • 2014, Jul: All 10 C-17s delivered.
  • 2015, Sep 28: $3 billion deal for 15 Chinooks and 22 Apaches signed.
  • 2016, Aug 29: LEMOA signed.
  • 2016, Nov 30: $737 million contract for 145 M777s signed.
  • 2017, Jan: India requests 3 more C-17s; 1 approved.
  • 2017, May 18: First 2 M777s delivered.
  • 2017, Jun: First of second C-130J batch delivered.
  • 2018, Feb: 11th C-17 delivered.
  • 2018, Sep 6: First 2+2 Dialogue (New Delhi); COMCASA signed.
  • 2018, Nov: Initial M777 deliveries begin (beyond first 2).
  • 2019, Feb 10: First Chinook delivered.
  • 2019, Jul 27: First Apache delivered.
  • 2019, Dec 18: Second 2+2 Dialogue (Washington, DC).
  • 2019, Dec: 25th M777 delivered (off-the-shelf batch completed).
  • 2019: Second C-130J batch completed.
  • 2020, Feb 25: $800 million deal for 6 additional Apaches signed.
  • 2020, Aug: Initial 22 Apaches delivered.
  • 2020, Oct 27: Third 2+2 Dialogue (New Delhi); BECA signed.
  • 2020–2021: M777 assembly in India begins.
  • 2021, Mar: All 15 Chinooks delivered.
  • 2021, Sep 10: HAL signs ₹5,375 crore contract for 99 GE F404 engines.
  • 2021, Oct: 54 M777s operational along LAC.
  • 2022, Apr 11: Fourth 2+2 Dialogue (Washington, DC).
  • 2023, Jan: iCET launched.
  • 2023, Jun 22: GE F414 MoU signed with HAL.
 
EU wallahs creating justifications for the 800 billion euro bill for ReArm europe defence plan. they even plan to allow loans and pension funds to "invest" in this endeavour.

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800 Billion will not do much in one of the costliest zones on planet that too spread out in years.

Just to install fire control system wirings in a Rafale it take around 150k USD and doing same in India for a Tejas or MKI takes barely 7k USD.
 
Meanwhile China is launching its own constelation of satellites to take on starlink and here are we who despite existence of launch capability are not taking this path and are simply surrendering. Had the government been bit visionary it could have always asked big players like Reliance Adani Airtel to build India's own starlink

View: https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1899663710177927546?t=l8413dzDmN9IaQxIqLKv3Q&s=19


govt launches satellites and gives it to BSNL who will do what every govt org does in India, fk it up.
The reason Starlink is a a success is simply because it's done by a private player.
If it was the US govt that did it, it would not been no where near where Starlink is.

The fact that no other govt on the planet has been able to replicate what Elon has done with Starlink is a start reminder of why we need private businessmen.
 
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govt launches satellites and gives it to BSNL who will do what every govt org does in India, fk it up.
The reason Starlink is a a success is simply because it's done by a private player.
If it was the US govt that did it, it would not been no where near where Starlink is.

The fact that no other govt on the planet has been able to replicate what Elon has done with Starlink is a start reminder of why we need private businessmen.
There is airtel's oneweb already in existence with a constellation of some 650 satellites. Govt could have a co funded them for global scale or could have gatewalled this space for Indian owned players pushing them to build their own constellations
 
There is airtel's oneweb already in existence with a constellation of some 650 satellites. Govt could have a co funded them for global scale or could have gatewalled this space for Indian owned players pushing them to build their own constellations

I have some experience with Starlink and it's an absolute beast.
Someone can fill me in with how Oneweb compares with Starlink.

Starlink did not become a success because it is backed by US.
it became a success because it is a beast that can give you internet access and solutions in remotest of places.

I am willing to bet Oneweb is nowhere near the capability of starlink.
 
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There is airtel's oneweb already in existence with a constellation of some 650 satellites. Govt could have a co funded them for global scale or could have gatewalled this space for Indian owned players pushing them to build their own constellations
These two are not directly comparable.

OneWeb aims to market to corporates and Star links is more of direct to customer business.

Oneweb has 650 satellites at 1200km orbit and Starlinks has over 7000 in 550 KM orbit.​
 
I have some experience with Starlink and it's an absolute beast.
Someone can fill me in with how Oneweb compares with Starlink.

Starlink did not become a success because it is backed by US.
it became a success because it is a beast that can give you internet access and solutions in remotest of places.

I am willing to bet Oneweb is nowhere near the capability of starlink.
The capability of starlink is not in question. It is abt our willingness as a country to strive to develop such technology iteratively.
 
The capability of starlink is not in question. It is abt our willingness as a country to strive to develop such technology iteratively.

no country can develop what Elon has done with Starlink.
I wish it was not true but that's a sad fact.

Starlink is a very unique solution to capture a massive market. Govts are good developing complex technologies but they are piss poor at providing great solutions to public.
 
Starlink still won't be allowed to operate in India anytime soon. These telecom majors have signed similar 'agreements' with a number of other satellite internet cos - not one of them has seen the light of day yet.

Filter out dalal articles/PR from actual developments. Dalals have been lifting Elmo's balls since at least 2021.

Starlink is a very unique solution to capture a massive market. Govts are good developing complex technologies but they are piss poor at providing great solutions to public.

There is no 'massive market' for any of Elmo's companies in India.
 
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