Indo US Relations

[Prasad]

Starlink still won't be allowed to operate in India anytime soon. These telecom majors have signed similar 'agreements' with a number of other satellite internet cos - not one of them has seen the light of day yet.

Filter out dalal articles/PR from actual developments. Dalals have been lifting Elmo's balls since at least 2021.



There is no 'massive market' for any of Elmo's companies in India.

That is true.

Starlink is not cheap.
You can get an awesome internet connection in India for under Rs1000. That's like $15.
That's basically the price range in most Indian house holds for Internet.
Couple with cheap data on mobiles, it becomes even worse for Starlink.

There is no solution Starlink can provide at that price range to be competitive.

I would still let Starlink and Tesla in India.
Let them come in and compete, whether they make it or not, it will push Indian Ogliarchs to upgrade their tech and business.

 

[crazywithmath]

That is true.

Starlink is not cheap.
You can get an awesome internet connection in India for under Rs1000. That's like $15.
That's basically the price range in most Indian house holds for Internet.
Couple with cheap data on mobiles, it becomes even worse for Starlink.

There is no solution Starlink can provide at that price range to be competitive.

I would still let Starlink and Tesla in India.
Let them come in and compete, whether they make it or not, it will push Indian Ogliarchs to upgrade their tech and business.

Do you really not get why these phoren satellite internet providers are purposely kept out of India? And the kind of security challenges they bring? Or just how unreliable Starlink can be given Elmo's mental conditions?

 

[Prasad]

Do you really not get why these phoren satellite internet providers are purposely kept out of India? And the kind of security challenges they bring? Or just how unreliable Starlink can be given Elmo's mental conditions?

With US, it's pretty much too late to have that conversation, late by 20+ years perhaps.

With Chinese, we should be absolutely saying no.

 

[crazywithmath]

With US, it's pretty much too late to have that conversation, late by 20+ years perhaps.

With Chinese, we should be absolutely saying no.

Umm, what? The gormint still has not let them in; how exactly is this 'too late'?

All these dalal articles do not mean a thing. Dalals have been publishing similar story for God knows how many years - following is a story from January 2024;

https://inc42.com/buzz/elon-musks-starlink-likely-to-get-nod-for-starting-india-operations-soon/

The reality, meanwhile;

India cagey about Starlink licence after Manipur breach

NEW DELHI: In a setback to Elon Musk’s satellite communication company Starlink, India may not allow it to operate in the country due to security concerns. The

www.newindianexpress.com

 

[Prasad]

Umm, what? The gormint still has not let them in; how exactly is this 'too late'?

All these dalal articles do not mean a thing. Dalals have been publishing similar story for God knows how many years - following is a story from January 2024;

https://inc42.com/buzz/elon-musks-starlink-likely-to-get-nod-for-starting-india-operations-soon/

The reality, meanwhile;

India cagey about Starlink licence after Manipur breach

NEW DELHI: In a setback to Elon Musk’s satellite communication company Starlink, India may not allow it to operate in the country due to security concerns. The

www.newindianexpress.com

I thought you were talking about data security.

If it is about Manipur like situations, I agree it's a concern but that can happen without Starlink being in India as well.

I have no clear opinion on this, I am fine with Starlink NOT be in India or be in India. Kind of neutral with meh attitude.

 

[DingDong]

no country can develop what Elon has done with Starlink.
I wish it was not true but that's a sad fact.

Starlink is a very unique solution to capture a massive market. Govts are good developing complex technologies but they are piss poor at providing great solutions to public.

The commercial feasibility becomes a major issue. The high income countries can afford such ventures due to the local market fit, a low income country like India cannot because the local market is extremely price sensitive.

On the brighter side, just look at the 5G adoption trajectory here in India. Compare it with the EU and the US.

In other news, TESLA's sales have plummeted 17-50% in their major markets including China. There aren't many takers for it's overpriced goods. The initial hype is dying down.

 

[crazywithmath]

The commercial feasibility becomes a major issue. The high income countries can afford such ventures due to the local market fit, a low income country like India cannot because the local market is extremely price sensitive.

On the brighter side, just look at the 5G adoption trajectory here in India. Compare it with the EU and the US.

In other news, TESLA's sales have plummeted 17-50% in their major markets including China. There aren't many takers for it's overpriced goods. The initial hype is dying down.

All this does not really matter tho! Phoren satellite internet providers are a national security threat - it is that simple!

 

[trombone]

All this does not really matter tho! Phoren satellite internet providers are a national security threat - it is that simple!

56 got arm twisted recently, so this happened. anyway these super expensive things are DOA in indian market, where "kitna deti hai" middle-class mentality is the deciding factor.

 

[Punisher]

That is true.

Starlink is not cheap.
You can get an awesome internet connection in India for under Rs1000. That's like $15.
That's basically the price range in most Indian house holds for Internet.
Couple with cheap data on mobiles, it becomes even worse for Starlink.

There is no solution Starlink can provide at that price range to be competitive.

I would still let Starlink and Tesla in India.
Let them come in and compete, whether they make it or not, it will push Indian Ogliarchs to upgrade their tech and business.

People who funded stalink doesnt have intention to earn lot of $$$ via indian market...there is a different reason why musk backed trump govt is pushing starlink into indian market...

 

[Punisher]

56 got arm twisted recently, so this happened. anyway these super expensive things are DOA in indian market, where "kitna deti hai" middle-class mentality is the deciding factor.

if 56" got arm twisted.....I got two questions....
1. what did orange racoon use to arm twist 56"
2. what did 56" get in return for bending backwards for orange racoon.???

 

[trombone]

if 56" got arm twisted.....I got two questions....
1. what did orange racoon use to arm twist 56"
2. what did 56" get in return for bending backwards for orange racoon.???

threats of tariff and not tareef did the trick in greenlighting orangeman's financier's products here.

 

[crazywithmath]

threats of tariff and not tareef did the trick in greenlighting orangeman's financier's products here.

Orange freak has been making unrealistic demands for quite a while. His chamchas want no tariffs on finished cars, an abrupt end to agri/food processing subsidies and a significant reduction in overall GST. Starlink and teslashit are irrelevant in this grand scheme of things.

None of these concessions can be granted by any govt of the land - trade deals cannot ignore political economy.

Orange man is just messing around and demanding impossible concessions from virtually everyone. Also, that idiot is genuinely looking to boost govt revenue by imposing tariffs (and punishing consumption ) - check out his recent interviews.

I was the lone voice in this forum predicting a total collapse of global economy and catastrophic damages to our nascent but booming non petroleum export sector (stuffs the incumbent gormint fought so desperately to lure away from ccpstan, nurture and incentivize), forex reserves, exchange rates and stonks if the orange freak were to win. And his Presidency is turning out exactly the way I thought it would because the normie career Republicans and conservative ideologues aren't there to keep the drama queen in check anymore.

 

[Punisher]

I was the lone voice in this forum predicting a total collapse of global economy and catastrophic damages to our nascent but booming non petroleum export sector (stuffs the incumbent gormint fought so desperately to lure away from ccpstan, nurture

How would 2007-09 crisis would look compared to what you predicted earlier??????

 

[crazywithmath]

How would 2007-09 crisis would look compared to what you predicted earlier??????

Cannot make a direct comparison, tbh. 2007-09 was when the lolbert free trade ideas started unraveling, not sure what damages the orange freak would cause now. What we are witnessing is a man made clownfest.

Are any of you aware of those game theory ideas? Being forgiving and engaging is mutually beneficial for everyone. However, the more extreme ideas (tit-for-tat retaliation, excessive forgiveness etc) are usually counterproductive. And what the burgerboys are engaging in now goes far beyond tit-for-tat retaliations - it is madness.

So, I suspect a lot of nations would start getting pissed off and look to disengage from the Uncle Sam in their own ways. Of course, it won't happen overnight but the proceedings can be initiated.