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Starlink still won't be allowed to operate in India anytime soon. These telecom majors have signed similar 'agreements' with a number of other satellite internet cos - not one of them has seen the light of day yet.

Filter out dalal articles/PR from actual developments. Dalals have been lifting Elmo's balls since at least 2021.



There is no 'massive market' for any of Elmo's companies in India.

That is true.

Starlink is not cheap.
You can get an awesome internet connection in India for under Rs1000. That's like $15.
That's basically the price range in most Indian house holds for Internet.
Couple with cheap data on mobiles, it becomes even worse for Starlink.

There is no solution Starlink can provide at that price range to be competitive.

I would still let Starlink and Tesla in India.
Let them come in and compete, whether they make it or not, it will push Indian Ogliarchs to upgrade their tech and business.
 
That is true.

Starlink is not cheap.
You can get an awesome internet connection in India for under Rs1000. That's like $15.
That's basically the price range in most Indian house holds for Internet.
Couple with cheap data on mobiles, it becomes even worse for Starlink.

There is no solution Starlink can provide at that price range to be competitive.

I would still let Starlink and Tesla in India.
Let them come in and compete, whether they make it or not, it will push Indian Ogliarchs to upgrade their tech and business.

Do you really not get why these phoren satellite internet providers are purposely kept out of India? And the kind of security challenges they bring? Or just how unreliable Starlink can be given Elmo's mental conditions?
 
Do you really not get why these phoren satellite internet providers are purposely kept out of India? And the kind of security challenges they bring? Or just how unreliable Starlink can be given Elmo's mental conditions?

With US, it's pretty much too late to have that conversation, late by 20+ years perhaps.

With Chinese, we should be absolutely saying no.
 
With US, it's pretty much too late to have that conversation, late by 20+ years perhaps.

With Chinese, we should be absolutely saying no.

Umm, what? The gormint still has not let them in; how exactly is this 'too late'?

All these dalal articles do not mean a thing. Dalals have been publishing similar story for God knows how many years - following is a story from January 2024;

https://inc42.com/buzz/elon-musks-starlink-likely-to-get-nod-for-starting-india-operations-soon/

The reality, meanwhile;

 
Umm, what? The gormint still has not let them in; how exactly is this 'too late'?

All these dalal articles do not mean a thing. Dalals have been publishing similar story for God knows how many years - following is a story from January 2024;

https://inc42.com/buzz/elon-musks-starlink-likely-to-get-nod-for-starting-india-operations-soon/

The reality, meanwhile;


I thought you were talking about data security.

If it is about Manipur like situations, I agree it's a concern but that can happen without Starlink being in India as well.

I have no clear opinion on this, I am fine with Starlink NOT be in India or be in India. Kind of neutral with meh attitude.
 
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no country can develop what Elon has done with Starlink.
I wish it was not true but that's a sad fact.

Starlink is a very unique solution to capture a massive market. Govts are good developing complex technologies but they are piss poor at providing great solutions to public.

The commercial feasibility becomes a major issue. The high income countries can afford such ventures due to the local market fit, a low income country like India cannot because the local market is extremely price sensitive.

On the brighter side, just look at the 5G adoption trajectory here in India. Compare it with the EU and the US.

In other news, TESLA's sales have plummeted 17-50% in their major markets including China. There aren't many takers for it's overpriced goods. The initial hype is dying down.
 
The commercial feasibility becomes a major issue. The high income countries can afford such ventures due to the local market fit, a low income country like India cannot because the local market is extremely price sensitive.

On the brighter side, just look at the 5G adoption trajectory here in India. Compare it with the EU and the US.

In other news, TESLA's sales have plummeted 17-50% in their major markets including China. There aren't many takers for it's overpriced goods. The initial hype is dying down.

All this does not really matter tho! Phoren satellite internet providers are a national security threat - it is that simple!
 
All this does not really matter tho! Phoren satellite internet providers are a national security threat - it is that simple!
56 got arm twisted recently, so this happened. anyway these super expensive things are DOA in indian market, where "kitna deti hai" middle-class mentality is the deciding factor.
 
That is true.

Starlink is not cheap.
You can get an awesome internet connection in India for under Rs1000. That's like $15.
That's basically the price range in most Indian house holds for Internet.
Couple with cheap data on mobiles, it becomes even worse for Starlink.

There is no solution Starlink can provide at that price range to be competitive.

I would still let Starlink and Tesla in India.
Let them come in and compete, whether they make it or not, it will push Indian Ogliarchs to upgrade their tech and business.
People who funded stalink doesnt have intention to earn lot of $$$ via indian market...there is a different reason why musk backed trump govt is pushing starlink into indian market...
 
56 got arm twisted recently, so this happened. anyway these super expensive things are DOA in indian market, where "kitna deti hai" middle-class mentality is the deciding factor.
if 56" got arm twisted.....I got two questions....
1. what did orange racoon use to arm twist 56"
2. what did 56" get in return for bending backwards for orange racoon.???
 
if 56" got arm twisted.....I got two questions....
1. what did orange racoon use to arm twist 56"
2. what did 56" get in return for bending backwards for orange racoon.???
threats of tariff and not tareef did the trick in greenlighting orangeman's financier's products here.
 
threats of tariff and not tareef did the trick in greenlighting orangeman's financier's products here.
Orange freak has been making unrealistic demands for quite a while. His chamchas want no tariffs on finished cars, an abrupt end to agri/food processing subsidies and a significant reduction in overall GST. :bplease: Starlink and teslashit are irrelevant in this grand scheme of things.

None of these concessions can be granted by any govt of the land - trade deals cannot ignore political economy.

Orange man is just messing around and demanding impossible concessions from virtually everyone. Also, that idiot is genuinely looking to boost govt revenue by imposing tariffs (and punishing consumption :bplease:) - check out his recent interviews.

I was the lone voice in this forum predicting a total collapse of global economy and catastrophic damages to our nascent but booming non petroleum export sector (stuffs the incumbent gormint fought so desperately to lure away from ccpstan, nurture and incentivize), forex reserves, exchange rates and stonks if the orange freak were to win. And his Presidency is turning out exactly the way I thought it would because the normie career Republicans and conservative ideologues aren't there to keep the drama queen in check anymore.
 
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I was the lone voice in this forum predicting a total collapse of global economy and catastrophic damages to our nascent but booming non petroleum export sector (stuffs the incumbent gormint fought so desperately to lure away from ccpstan, nurture
How would 2007-09 crisis would look compared to what you predicted earlier??????
 
How would 2007-09 crisis would look compared to what you predicted earlier??????

Cannot make a direct comparison, tbh. 2007-09 was when the lolbert free trade ideas started unraveling, not sure what damages the orange freak would cause now. What we are witnessing is a man made clownfest.

Are any of you aware of those game theory ideas? Being forgiving and engaging is mutually beneficial for everyone. However, the more extreme ideas (tit-for-tat retaliation, excessive forgiveness etc) are usually counterproductive. And what the burgerboys are engaging in now goes far beyond tit-for-tat retaliations - it is madness.

So, I suspect a lot of nations would start getting pissed off and look to disengage from the Uncle Sam in their own ways. Of course, it won't happen overnight but the proceedings can be initiated.
 
Orange freak has been making unrealistic demands for quite a while. His chamchas want no tariffs on finished cars, an abrupt end to agri/food processing subsidies and a significant reduction in overall GST. :bplease: Starlink and teslashit are irrelevant in this grand scheme of things.

None of these concessions can be granted by any govt of the land - trade deals cannot ignore political economy.

Orange man is just messing around and demanding impossible concessions from virtually everyone. Also, that idiot is genuinely looking to boost govt revenue by imposing tariffs (and punishing consumption :bplease:) - check out his recent interviews.

I was the lone voice in this forum predicting a total collapse of global economy and catastrophic damages to our nascent but booming non petroleum export sector (stuffs the incumbent gormint fought so desperately to lure away from ccpstan, nurture and incentivize), forex reserves, exchange rates and stonks if the orange freak were to win. And his Presidency is turning out exactly the way I thought it would because the normie career Republicans and conservative ideologues aren't there to keep the drama queen in check anymore.
Cannot make a direct comparison, tbh. 2007-09 was when the lolbert free trade ideas started unraveling, not sure what damages the orange freak would cause now. What we are witnessing is a man made clownfest.

Are any of you aware of those game theory ideas? Being forgiving and engaging is mutually beneficial for everyone. However, the more extreme ideas (tit-for-tat retaliation, excessive forgiveness etc) are usually counterproductive. And what the burgerboys are engaging in now goes far beyond tit-for-tat retaliations - it is madness.

So, I suspect a lot of nations would start getting pissed off and look to disengage from the Uncle Sam in their own ways. Of course, it won't happen overnight but the proceedings can be initiated.
He's been sanctioning countries in his previous Avatar as well . What's new about this time ? He will make a lot of noise threaten sanctions even put them in place , wait for countries to capitulate to his demands which need not be what he's voicing in public , do a U turn once they accept his demands leaving Trump to go after new victims.

That's what he accomplished with Mexico & Canada . I've yet to see him unleash his big guns on China which makes me wonder what exactly is he waiting for ? If the answer is Musk then that's no answer.

I think Musk has read the writing on the wall. Tesla is surviving on borrowed time & the only way it can be resuscitated is by completely banning Chinese EV OEMs from accessing western markets directly or indirectly.

However that will happen once non westen sources capture Li & other rare earth mines , get down to refining them & invest in battery chemistry or have some other suitable alternative up their sleeve.

Will all this happen ? Yes it will. When will it happen is a huge question mark ?! Which is the reason EU is permitting Chinese EV OEMs to set up shop in EU even if their own automobile OEMs are haemorrhaging heavily thru their collective rears & the economy is tanking . If this isn't bad enough they've to put up with Trump & the war in Ukraine.

Coming back to Musk , even otherwise China's a direct competitor to Musk be in in space exploration against his SpaceX or StarLink or what have you ?!

So what's our response going to be ? Go for the low hanging fruit . Musk wants tariffs lowered on EVs , he'd get it as opposed to us acceding to his demands for StarLink assuming we've already decided it's a security risk .

Initiate talks on a comprehensive FTA & then keep changing goalposts when we're getting somewhere. If Trump digs in his heels at some point so will we & the whole world along with us.

Will that send the world economy into a tail spin ? I think we've got to come out of the notion of the world economy growing at the pace at which it has for the past 3 decades since the end of the Cold War.

5-6% growth is the new 10-12% . Trump is basically the Joker from The Dark Knight . He just may want to see the world burn or he may not except taking vicarious pleasure at how individual nations react to his threats. To that extent his bark is worse than his bite except if you're China.

Let's wait & see what he has in store for the Chinese for he was the only US politician who didn't make a show of confronting the Chinese like that Nobel laureate Obummer but went for their balls the last time around.

I want him to hit the Chinese where it hurts sending their economy into a tailspin. Then the real fun begins. In any case China's gearing up for a showdown over Taiwan next decade. Let's see by how much Trump brings that date ahead .
 
He's been sanctioning countries in his previous Avatar as well . What's new about this time ? He will make a lot of noise threaten sanctions even put them in place , wait for countries to capitulate to his demands which need not be what he's voicing in public , do a U turn once they accept his demands leaving Trump to go after new victims.

That's what he accomplished with Mexico & Canada . I've yet to see him unleash his big guns on China which makes me wonder what exactly is he waiting for ? If the answer is Musk then that's no answer.

I am not too sure about this. A significant no of tariffs are still in place. The orange idiot is even pissing off the EUwallahs - who do not have high tariffs to begin with.
 
Canada probably has re-orient its commercial relation with Europe.

There is a new prime minister in Canada. He is unlikely to follow Trudeau’s policy. He is unlikely to get scared by Trump as Trudeau was that after a single and first meeting with Trump at his Golf Ranch, he resigned and then decided to act tough.

New PM Carney will direct his energies in a short time he is left for the elections will open up discussions with Europe to strengthen ties with them. Europe is also under same pressure as Canada is, hence makes sense to strengthen commercial relationship with each other.

It will take 5 years of effort to disengage from America and who so ever becomes the PM of Canada has a major task cut out for them.

In the mean time; Canada would not need so any immigrants who have arrived from Asia under the pretext of studies. They have to be sent back. The Canadian economy already under pressure from Trump has to reorient itself. To do that, Canada will need money and they have to save every penny and not spend on housing, other benefits on immigrants who do not belong here anyway. Trudeau’s invited immigrants have to be clearly told to go back home now.
 
Canada probably has re-orient its commercial relation with Europe.

There is a new prime minister in Canada. He is unlikely to follow Trudeau’s policy. He is unlikely to get scared by Trump as Trudeau was that after a single and first meeting with Trump at his Golf Ranch, he resigned and then decided to act tough.

New PM Carney will direct his energies in a short time he is left for the elections will open up discussions with Europe to strengthen ties with them. Europe is also under same pressure as Canada is, hence makes sense to strengthen commercial relationship with each other.

It will take 5 years of effort to disengage from America and who so ever becomes the PM of Canada has a major task cut out for them.

In the mean time; Canada would not need so any immigrants who have arrived from Asia under the pretext of studies. They have to be sent back. The Canadian economy already under pressure from Trump has to reorient itself. To do that, Canada will need money and they have to save every penny and not spend on housing, other benefits on immigrants who do not belong here anyway. Trudeau’s invited immigrants have to be clearly told to go back home now.

Yeah not gonna happen. India finally got rid of the Khalistani elements. No way India would want them back in. It’s Canada’s problem now.
 
Canada probably has re-orient its commercial relation with Europe.

There is a new prime minister in Canada. He is unlikely to follow Trudeau’s policy. He is unlikely to get scared by Trump as Trudeau was that after a single and first meeting with Trump at his Golf Ranch, he resigned and then decided to act tough.

New PM Carney will direct his energies in a short time he is left for the elections will open up discussions with Europe to strengthen ties with them. Europe is also under same pressure as Canada is, hence makes sense to strengthen commercial relationship with each other.

It will take 5 years of effort to disengage from America and who so ever becomes the PM of Canada has a major task cut out for them.

In the mean time; Canada would not need so any immigrants who have arrived from Asia under the pretext of studies. They have to be sent back. The Canadian economy already under pressure from Trump has to reorient itself. To do that, Canada will need money and they have to save every penny and not spend on housing, other benefits on immigrants who do not belong here anyway. Trudeau’s invited immigrants have to be clearly told to go back home now.
There is no going back home, nor has canada's thirst for immigrants abated long term- yes, it does require some cooling to let the housing market catch up, as the biggest source of underlying canadian inflationary metrics is independent of trumpwa or murrica and has been onging for 20 years in major canadian cities: severe housing shortage, leading to severe house cost inflation.

However, at the same time, Canadian economy is resource extractive and transportationally expansive,meaning, Canada still needs shit tons of people to keep its resource extractive+transportational economy going. This is also evident in every single economic predictor Carney himself has put out in his career and Carley is your RBI head turned into PM guy,so he is an alltogether different beast to deal with.

What we should expect, regardless of who wins in the elections, is a pre-covid level drop in immigration numbers and not post covid level massive spike - many of whom are actually also ukrainian refugees and certain sections in Canada are trying to scapegoat Indians inorder to shelter the Ukronazis so kindly be aware of that angle and not harm the pro-immigrant fabric of canada.
 

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