Israel x Iran Conflict (55 Viewers)

So.. Iran fired a small day time barrage for the first time.. It was intercepted by Israel..
So, Confidence is back up in Iran.. Although Israel has air superiority over Iran.. It does not have Air supremacy.. Just like US could not have Air supremacy over Yemen.

Looks like Tonight will be a bad night for Israel.. and a massive night time missile barrage is coming from Iran..

Maybe hitting all those defense industries..
 
Physx32 said:
Indian AD didn't have to face hundreds of BMs. It was hundreds of drones which were taken out by anti-air guns. And 2-3 F1/F2 missiles and maybe a few cruise missiles.
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It is the attack on Pakistan that stopped the war, In case of a second round happens India attacks and neutralizes the launch and ammo sites and the rest of the missiles can be intercepted by missile shield.
 
shade2 said:
Thanks for the info, so short of regime change or boots on ground invasion, they can only slow down the Iranis, not stop them from getting the bomb 🤡

And considering the small size of their narrow country, assuming even one of the over 786 ballistic missiles the Iranis launch lands on say Tel Aviv then it will be another holocaust :facepalm4:

The Jooz are screwed long term, If Irani mullas getting the bomb is an inevitability.
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If the Jews are screwed it is the fault of Europe and Britain specifically.
They are the ones which re-settled Jews into that piece of land. So now you see them jumping to the rescue of Jews. Americans, well they have always been emotionally blackmailed into doing anything and everything on behalf of the jews. Hell, they even killed their Caucasian German brothers for the sake of the Jews. They are destined to forever be at the Jews' beck and call.
However, it is highly myopic of Iran to support the Palestinian cause when they historically had nothing to do with Philistine. Like someone mentioned before in this thread, they took Udta hua teer.
 
MasterChief said:
So.. Iran fired a small day time barrage for the first time.. It was intercepted by Israel..
So, Confidence is back up in Iran.. Although Israel has air superiority over Iran.. It does not have Air supremacy.. Just like US could not have Air supremacy over Yemen.

Looks like Tonight will be a bad night for Israel.. and a massive night time missile barrage is coming from Iran..

Maybe hitting all those defense industries..
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Uncle Sam and Ze Germans will resupply them.

Besides what do you think those joint ventures here are for ;)

Problem is for Eran, what happens when/if their BM supplies run out or the Jews destroy them via jet or sabotage?

ofc Iran has it's ancient geographical trump card of their mountains and deserts so boots on ground is impossibly costly, so they'll survive

However after these beatings i'm not sure the Mullah/IRGC regime will survive, once a ceasefire happens those AZADEH protests may sprout up in the following months
 
shade2 said:
Thanks for the info, so short of regime change or boots on ground invasion, they can only slow down the Iranis, not stop them from getting the bomb 🤡

And considering the small size of their narrow country, assuming even one of the over 786 ballistic missiles the Iranis launch lands on say Tel Aviv then it will be another holocaust :facepalm4:

The Jooz are screwed long term, If Irani mullas getting the bomb is an inevitability.
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You are correct! Please allow me to elaborate further.

Israeli actions against Iran are perfectly logical. Because, if Iran acquires credible nuclear weapons, game is over for Israel. So Israel is treating this conflict like do or die situation. It is obvious that Israel is unable to finish Iran even with US help. Therefore, Israel would love to get US involved all the way to the level of ground invasion.

Now, in complete contrast to Israeli actions, American actions do not make any sense at all. US is heading in a direction where they can potentially be boxed for very long time. If China and Russia are able to see the opportunity that is being presented to them, they would start arming Iran with weapons that would introduce asymmetric dimension to the conflict. I am surprised that China and Russia have not done this already. Maybe you were correct when you said that Iran is somewhat of a difficult partner. Also, Russia traditionally had good ties with Israel until Zelensky screwed it up; this may have played a role in Russia not arming Iran with A2/AD capabilities.

However, I strongly believe that if China and Russia do not capitalize on this opportunity, then they would be at serious disadvantage down the road; this is particularly true for Russia. Ingenious brinkmanship is an absolute necessity particularly for Russia; they need to think long term.

As far as US is concerned, it can avoid this trap by not getting involved directly and by dialing down its current indirect involvement.
 
angryindian said:
There is no definitive, independently verified evidence that Iran shot down an F-35 fighter jet.

Iran doesn't have the proper tech to detect an F-35 accurately and achieve a consistent track for targeting.

This is most probably an Iranian jet
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Anything can shoot down f35 if it gets close enough, it's not invisible.
F117 had lower RCS and was still shot down
 
Srinivas said:
It is the attack on Pakistan that stopped the war, In case of a second round happens India attacks and neutralizes the launch and ammo sites and the rest of the missiles can be intercepted by missile shield.
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Pakistan is just an annoyance at best. The real threat comes from PLA rocket force. They have the largest TBM inventory, and could overwhelm our existing AD. That's why project Kusha is so important.
silentassassin265 said:

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/comments/1lb6fk9/f35i_shot_down_in_iran/
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Iran is learning photoshop from their brother, the porkis. Why is the afterburner glowing after the crash lmao? Also the canopy is intact.
 
silentassassin265 said:
Anything can shoot down f35 if it gets close enough, it's not invisible.
F117 had lower RCS and was still shot down
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Yes it can be shot down but tracking a fighter jet with an RCS of a golf ball is extremely difficult, especially for a country like Iran with a not-so-good Air Defense system.

F117 was shot down because the Serbian low-frequency radars were able to detect the jet when it was opening up its bomb doors.On top of that the jet had no chaff flare countermeasures to deflect the missile.
 
Physx32 said:
Indian AD didn't have to face hundreds of BMs. It was hundreds of drones which were taken out by anti-air guns. And 2-3 F1/F2 missiles and maybe a few cruise missiles.
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The challenges Israeli AD faced are nothing compare to Indian AD's.

If you notice Israel have done a lot of censorship over missiles hit on it's cities. But we can safely assume Iranians have 10% hit rate against Israeli ADs(90% interceptions).

In similar situation even if our ADs achieve 80% success they should be considered better then Iron Dom.

Why?

1. Israel is a country only 420+ km long, you place 1 S400 missile battery in center and whole country will be covered.
2. Iran and Israel have 1600+ km distance, which give a lot of time to react against even ballistic missiles.
3. Israel is being supported by a lot of other countries intercepting these missiles.
4. Distance also makes the threat uni directional. Only targets they have to counter are either long range slow Drones or ballistic missiles.
5. Iranian air force is non existent.

Now compare that with the threat we face...

1. Border is 3300+ km long with just pakistan, we also have to guard 7000+ KM cost line and 4000+ chinese border as well.
2. We share border with Pakistan so reaction time is couple of minutes.
3. No support from any other nation.
4. Pakistan does have very good airforce by Iranian standard.
5. Since we do share border pretty much everything is a threat right from Mortar, Artillery shells, FPV/Swarm drones, PGM, loitering munitions, Kamikaze drones, fighter jets, a very wide variety of missiles (Surface to surface, Air to surface, air to air, surface to air, cruise, ballistic) travelling at different altitude and with different speed targeting various places.

Just imagine the challenges our command and control and battle management systems has to handle.

A lot of above mentioned threats were used in 100s on numbers against and we didn't fail, so just because BMs were not in hundreds on numbers doesn't mean our ADs didn't face any challenge, actually it was worse then what Israel is facing.
 
Chakuntilal said:
I fail to understand, why didn't Iran build its air force. They could have bought aircraft from Russia and China. They are operating obsolete American aircraft from the Shah's era. They could have invested money in Sukhoi 27s at least.
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Even a basic air force would have served their interest well in this conflict. Iranian air force, if existed, could have performed CAP, midair interdiction at vulnerable points of enemy ingress, etc.

But believe me or not, their real weakness is in not having a robust network of SAMs. If they had credible SAM deterrence, it could have very effectively augmented their two noticeable strengths, one, heavily fortified military installations, two, large stockpile of BMs.
 
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