Israel x Iran Conflict (106 Viewers)

[Waanar]

They were who would have benefited from ISIS actions.

ISIS would have removed Assad from power, they would have invaded Lebanon and deleted Hezbollah and were spilling over into Iraq also.

ISIS barbarism would also necessitate free and democratic intervention later on.

Unfortunately Irani, his proxies and Ruskals poured cold water on such plans and gave Assad a term extension of what 10 years more?

There's no doubt ISIS benefitted Israel in their short lived run but I have not yet seen too much suggesting Israel was supporting ISIS in a significant way. I know of some medical aid which incidentally ended up going to ISIS members (very few first aid and some TCCC kits) but beyond that?
I haven't seen proof of it. Maybe I'm missing a puzzle piece. @spikey360 , what exactly am I missing here? I've been autistic regarding ME. Can't believe I ignored this.

 

[Cheepek]

After iran then azeris will take out armenia.Armenia is a lost cause.


View: https://x.com/IvanSerov123/status/1934627321090277781?t=0ksaDF5ITmEbDFJkA8-XcQ&s=19

Is this an analysis of what's going on the ground or just a roving opinion?

 

[Miss Firing]

Perks of having the support of the sole super power, its vassals & ALL the might of their combined armed forces/intel/data processing prowess.

 

[snakeeyes07]

After iran then azeris will take out armenia.Armenia is a lost cause.


View: https://x.com/IvanSerov123/status/1934627321090277781?t=0ksaDF5ITmEbDFJkA8-XcQ&s=19

I am not much familiar with Armenia geopolitical scene.
I believe Russian influence in Armenia is now out. It is France, India, Iran with Armenia. It is Turkey, Israel with Azerbaijan. I know about India, Turkey but what about France, Israel and US interests in this?

 

[Tsunami]

View: https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/status/1606144756177780736?s=19

If we are indeed going for Pralay missile in large number then it might be due to the success of Iskandar-M in Russia-Ukrain war.

Both Missiles have a very similar profile it seems.

 

[Waanar]

This exactly was facilitated by two unlikely allies on ground - Turkey and Israel. You are reading a SAS operator memoir and you expect it to incriminate Israel?
Many Russian observers of those times have conclusively drawn the connection between ISIS and Israel multiple times.

Russian observers aren't reliable. They're anti Israel through and through and clearly biased and state aligned in everything they say.

I don't think any SAS guy bound by politics or OpSec would incriminate US but not Israel.

Every piece of weaponry that ISIS used was either the Syrian regime's, Iraqi, American or Libyan (some Pakistani, Uzbek and Afghan too, in limited numbers) in everything from serial numbers to factory names.

 

[angryindian]

Israel is now destroying Iranian F14 tomcats


View: https://x.com/The_Real_ITDUDE/status/1934667322746388638

 

[LETHALFORCE]

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Perks of having the support of the sole super power, its vassals & ALL the might of their combined armed forces/intel/data processing prowess.

Almost all middle eastern leaders who oppose israel die unnaturally.

 

[Azaad]

After iran then azeris will take out armenia.Armenia is a lost cause.


View: https://x.com/IvanSerov123/status/1934627321090277781?t=0ksaDF5ITmEbDFJkA8-XcQ&s=19

If Armenia goes down it opens up a seamless corridor for Turkey & more importantly Azerbaijan .

This means all those CAR nations get to export their O&G to the EU. Guess which nation is most affected by this apart from Iran ?

So Armenia falling is one thing , Armenia totally capitulating is quite another though I don't see both happening.

Having said that it's for the Armenians to put up a fight. Nobody can save a person who doesn't want to help himself.

 

[spikey360]

Every piece of weaponry that ISIS used was either the Syrian regime's, Iraqi, American or Libyan (some Pakistani, Uzbek and Afghan too, in limited numbers) in everything from serial numbers to factory names

Collaboration with the Islamic State - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yeah right! Really, now it's your word against mine. Thinking/assumption/gut feelings should play no part in this particular discussion.

 

[shade2]

Is this an analysis of what's going on the ground or just a roving opinion?

That Muji is correct.

Ruskals could save them but now they're upset because of the regime change over there that placed ((( Pashniyan ))) who is still in power btw.

Now the regime change was so complete that after the Arstakh disaster also he went underground for sometime and popped right back up, not possible for a normal politician to escape the stain of defeat at war

Armenian public opinion has been made anti-Russia for allegedly "betraying" them.

These guys ran away from Arstakh, assuming Azharbaijan comes to annex their whole country they'll run from there also into Georgia, and from there ironically into Russia.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Iraq and Libya used to be such powerful states in their own right…Syria also swept away later.

Irans influence will be diminished in the future, now the control will be fought between Saudi Israel and Turkey for Middle East dominance.

Israel will totally dominate for decades to come.
As long as Saudi Arabia stays a pro western puppet no one can challenge israel.

 

[neelaslayer]

This is the first conflict where a regional power is being pulverized by the airforce of a country 10 times small it's david vs Goliath fight but here the Goliath wins aka israel and nato.Hence spend well in 6th gen stealth airforce ,ucav bombers,fighter bomber ,b2s,awacs, bunker busting bombs and hypersonic,supersonic weapons with good investment in humint and intelligence nothing can stop an attack on a country from within.


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[spikey360]

There's no doubt ISIS benefitted Israel in their short lived run but I have not yet seen too much suggesting Israel was supporting ISIS in a significant way. I know of some medical aid which incidentally ended up going to ISIS members (very few first aid and some TCCC kits) but beyond that?
I haven't seen proof of it. Maybe I'm missing a puzzle piece. @spikey360 , what exactly am I missing here? I've been autistic regarding ME. Can't believe I ignored this.

You're missing a big chunk , and there is no hope since DFI is gone.

 

[shade2]

There's no doubt ISIS benefitted Israel in their short lived run but I have not yet seen too much suggesting Israel was supporting ISIS in a significant way. I know of some medical aid which incidentally ended up going to ISIS members (very few first aid and some TCCC kits) but beyond that?
I haven't seen proof of it. Maybe I'm missing a puzzle piece. @spikey360 , what exactly am I missing here? I've been autistic regarding ME. Can't believe I ignored this.

Russian observers aren't reliable. They're anti Israel through and through and clearly biased and state aligned in everything they say.

I don't think any SAS guy bound by politics or OpSec would incriminate US but not Israel.

Every piece of weaponry that ISIS used was either the Syrian regime's, Iraqi, American or Libyan (some Pakistani, Uzbek and Afghan too, in limited numbers) in everything from serial numbers to factory names.

Collaboration with the Islamic State - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yeah right! Really, now it's your word against mine. Thinking/assumption/guy feelings should play no part in this particular discussion.

Instead of doing >muh SAS operator and >muh Ruskal soldier it is better to do 2+2 and see who would benefit.

Another thing is all green jihadi groups are rabid and against Israel but these were not, seemingly their target was Shia Kuffar mulqs Iraq and Syria

Now i'm not a green or a chutiya who thinks that the jihadis on ground were actually mossad agents/da jooz or some shit, they were honest to Ola greens, just as their leader intended them to be 1400 years ago.

But then at the top levels the strings were being pulled by Mossad/CIA to overthrow Assad and purge Iraq of pro-Irani Shia elements and also ofc attack Hezbollah in Lebanon.

All this in general proves my deeply held view that Goras will give #PhullSapport to the Greens always since they are the best useful idiot lemmings for their purposes.

 

[Azaad]

Israel will totally dominate for decades to come.
As long as Saudi Arabia stays a pro western puppet no one can challenge israel.

Turkey. Not only do they have the brain they have the muscle . What they lack is financial power. Besides among all the hot spots in the world which have the potential to erupt assuming they haven't already erupted , Turkey's sitting pretty.

They handle the financial problem & take care of the TFR & there's literally nothing to stop the re emergence of the Ottoman Caliphate .

Unfortunately for Turdogan he won't be around but if he plays his cards well , he'd have set the foundations & built the platform from which any forthcoming leader can build on top of it taking it as high as wants to.

 

[Waanar]

Collaboration with the Islamic State - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yeah right! Really, now it's your word against mine. Thinking/assumption/guy feelings should play no part in this particular discussion.

No, it's not my word against yours. You come here saying this-

How short term the memory of Public really is, that too of so called defence and strategy analysts. The country which propped up and supplied ISIS is now being hailed as the most preferred partner of India and Indians. Seems some among us have it worse than Amir Khan from Ghajni.
Also, they have completely erased from memory the sheer amount of men and machinery Russia and Iran sent to decimate ISIS.
Now Israel is the hero. Irony died many deaths.

But now when I'm asking for proof which you said I should read up on, you gave me a wikipedia page with this being the only relevant section regarding Israel-
It would be my word against yours if I was making a wild claim like "No, Iran supported ISIS". When you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you.
I conceded beforehand that Israel may have armed some small groups which may have swore allegiance to ISIS (that is consistently the politics in the ME and no one's quite innocent there) but you said "Israel propped up ISIS."

Prop up is defined as "provide support or assistance for a person or thing that would otherwise fail or decline."
ISIS wouldn't decline without Israel's support because Israel's support to ISIS was next to negligible and clearly not intentional in the way ISIS turned out.

Wikipedia, as it stands is not reliable either.
Was this what we amnesiacs supposed to read up on? Iran's accusation and Israel's support to a group which may have former ISIS members in Rafah, Gaza?

 

[Doreamon]

Lol palestinian cope after realisation that his fellow muslim country Azerbaizan is behind success of moshad's operation in Iran . He should be assured pakistan and Turkey regimes are not behind as well .


View: https://x.com/_assaf_ps/status/1933691011936514345

 

[Waanar]

Instead of doing >muh SAS operator and >muh Ruskal soldier it is better to do 2+2 and see who would benefit.

Another thing is all green jihadi groups are rabid and against Israel but these were not, seemingly their target was Shia Kuffar mulqs Iraq and Syria

Now i'm not a green or a chutiya who thinks that the jihadis on ground were actually mossad agents/da jooz or some shit, they were honest to Ola greens, just as their leader intended them to be 1400 years ago.

But then at the top levels the strings were being pulled by Mossad/CIA to overthrow Assad and purge Iraq of pro-Irani Shia elements and also ofc attack Hezbollah in Lebanon.

All this in general proves my deeply held view that Goras will give #PhullSapport to the Greens always since they are the best useful idiot lemmings for their purposes.

Again, no arguments there. ISIS was rabidly anti Shia and Iran and most groups north of Israel who happen to be anti-Israel are Shias so Israel is well served in letting them run wild.
But correlation does not equal to causation.

I'm looking for proof. We're fine with Taliban fucking over Pakistan. Does that mean we SUPPORT Taliban? Fuck no.
Can someone accuse us of backing Taliban?
No.

Does Taliban gain some aid from us and maybe some wetwork tasking in exchange of something? Of course.
Does this mean we're propping up Taliban? Lol no.

 

[spikey360]

Was this what we amnesiacs supposed to read up on

The amnesiacs were expected to not be amnesiacs and remember their lived experiences.
If you feel earning a brownie points by my citing wikipedia link is something worth celebrating because all old links are dead, be my guest.