Israel x Iran Conflict (89 Viewers)

This guy is going to bomb the Iranian leadership wholesale. Iran will never agree to these terms.View attachment 40111
Jokes aside
Dolund the cuck might be gone,Iran might be gone
But this America is going to be a big pain in the ass as we develop
They will find new ways to pin blame on india and start treating us as enemy
 
Afghanistan is irrelevant to this.that was purely a reaction to 9/11.

Yes, they won in Iraq.

Could argue that Iraq was part of a grand strategy of consolidating in middle east. Alongside Syria (done) and Iran (getting there)

Russia falls before unleashing nuclear weapons. Just like 1991.
US won the conventional war in invading Iraq, but lost the insurgency .. same as Afghanistan..
Iran still has more influence in Iraq than US
 
This guy is going to bomb the Iranian leadership wholesale. Iran will never agree to these terms.View attachment 40111

Iran has lost the war, they are in no position to negotiate for anything. All their proxies are gone, and their military capabilities are decimated. They are simply sitting ducks for Israeli jets.
 
Jokes aside
Dolund the cuck might be gone,Iran might be gone
But this America is going to be a big pain in the ass as we develop
They will find new ways to pin blame on india and start treating us as enemy
That is why it is important to reach critical mass before taking a stance against America.
A multipolar world is where China+India>=US+EU in terms of GDP.

And not just GDP it is important to cease the means of production and power projection. US of A needs to he booted out of Diego Garcia, that day must come or we would never escape the Great Satan's Shadow.
 
The won the war . What about the peace? Why's it the US still has a heavy armed forces presence there ? Add to that a heavy naval presence. That's called spreading yourself thin.

That was before fracking yielded results in the US. Once the process started & the US became oil surplus , all these US endeavours in the Gulf were of little strategic value except of course to bolster Israel's position in the region.

Hold on to that thought.
Lol that's an interesting way of framing it. They changed committed anti American country into a largely pro American one and placed their bases there. Which are tools of their power projection and control (which they used to great extent in syria)

The arguments that usa lost Iraq are usually 2 things.

1. That the official govt that was put in place was weak and couldn't do anything about the Shia militias. And there was a conduit for Iranian material to get to Israel's northern border (Iraq, Syria, lebanon)

2. That it was just too expensive economically

I think 1 has been partially addressed and is in the process of being fully addressed of iran falls.

I think if Iran falls, 2 will be addressed as well. The cost is worth it of they get the whole middle east under their boot.
 
Folks cheering Iran getting hit should know that Dolund will catapult to calling Leaderji "Fascist Hindutva Dictator" in a heartbeat if we don`t pay them regular hafta via juicy defense deals

Iran capitulating will free up enormous resources for NATO in middle east which will be diverted to China or India once Ukraine is handled, within 10 years at max, unless it remains profitable for them to not do so
 
Lol that's an interesting way of framing it. They changed committed anti American country into a largely pro American one and placed their bases there. Which are tools of their power projection and control (which they used to great extent in syria)
Iraq was anti America ? Don't know which history have you been reading. Under Saddam they were suported by the SU & France but they weren't on inimical terms with the US at all , like Iran under Khomeini , if that's what you mean .

Things changed only once Iraq invaded Kuwait.
The arguments that usa lost Iraq are usually 2 things.

1. That the official govt that was put in place was weak and couldn't do anything about the Shia militias. And there was a conduit for Iranian material to get to Israel's northern border (Iraq, Syria, lebanon)

2. That it was just too expensive economically

I think 1 has been partially addressed and is in the process of being fully addressed of iran falls.

I think if Iran falls, 2 will be addressed as well. The cost is worth it of they get the whole middle east under their boot.
The ME was never a stable place & is likely not going to be one going into the future. The modern ME came into existence with the Sykes Picot agreement post WW-1 to carve out nations & spheres of influence from the Ottoman Empire , without taking into account local concerns.

Till date you've tribes separated by borders drawn then , lands which their forefathers criss crossed through the centuries.

Peace was maintained largely coz these Sheikh's tied up with western powers mostly , who guaranteed their rule in return for cheap oil.

With the value of oil & gas diminishing due to better alternatives , so does western need to interfere there . What do you think follows ?

As far as Israel goes , if Iran goes down you can bet another antagonist will arise to replace it & I'm betting it'd be Turkey.

You also can't rule out Egypt. The peace between Israel & Egypt is maintained by the Army which has been in power willy nilly for the past 70 years. They won't be in power for ever.

And the Egyptian people aren't irreligious or westernised as compared to Turkey which means they aren't well disposed to Israel.

This is important for apart from Turkey only Egypt has the comprehensive national power to make Israel's life difficult there apart from the Iranians obviously.
 
Iraq was anti America ? Don't know which history have you been reading. Under Saddam they were suported by the SU & France but they weren't on inimical terms with the US like Iran under Khomeini , if that's what you mean .

Things changed only once Iraq invaded Kuwait.

The ME was never a stable place & is likely not going to be one going into the future. The modern ME came into existence with the Sykes Picot agreement post WW-1 to carve out nations & spheres of influence from the Ottoman Empire , without taking into account local concerns.

Till date you've tribes separated by borders drawn then , lands which their forefathers criss crossed through the centuries.

Peace was maintained largely coz these Sheikh's tied up with western powers mostly , who guaranteed their rule in return for cheap oil.

With the value of oil & gas diminishing due to better alternatives , so does western need to interfere there . What do you think follows ?

As far as Israel goes , if Iran goes down you can bet another antagonist will arise to replace it & I'm betting it'd be Turkey.
I'm talking about Iraq at rhe point of American invasion. Which is what is relevant.

I'm not really sure what we are arguing any more so I'm going to leave it here.

I think you see the US as bumbling idiots going from one mistake to another and an ascendant China.

I see the US edging closer and closer putting it's tentacles everywhere and a China that is scared to challenge it.
 
Ideally the Iranian state remains intact without N capabilities. Since that's out of the question , we don't really know how long the present regime continues.
Ideally they will want a pro west state. Since its not possible. They are happy if the writ of current regime is rendered ineffective.

Not necessarily . You've seen the Houthis . Now Iran has the potential to be Houthis¹⁰ if there's no central leadership . Short term it wrecks havoc in the Straits of Hormuz a vital choke point. Oil prices will start exploding as will oil facilities. That's the problem with modern militias & easy availability of lethal weapons. Add drones to the mix.
US is oil surplus now. They really don't care about the world anymore. Infact it gives them even more leverage to bring the other states in their orbit. On Militias, They surely have factored the militias in equations. A US president don't easily give an audience to Chief of a designated terror organization without a deal. I will not give Houthis much credence. Americans seem to treat them as target practise. ISIS, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH all were once tauted as very powerful entities but they all were rendered ineffective. Houthis may seem like a powerful foe but they actually are not. Militias only have nuisance value and they exist till the state let them. Once a modern state decide to finish them, they can do nothing more than squeal. Just like our naxals.

True . But if the Russians are around they will be a very big threat to the EU . And the latter has much more to lose than the former in a confrontation. I'm looking forward to Round 2 - Russia vs Ukraine + NATO.

Both cancel each other out & European hegemony which has defined the rest of the world since 1500 will come to an end.

Yes & no. As long as Putin remains in power or even if he's succeeded by his acolytes or the mullahs continue in power , all you've done is created a wounded beast .

That's even more dangerous than initiating a war with them. It's like what we did with Paxtan in 1971. We should've finished off the entire entity called Paxtan if not then then immediately once we had a chance. We didn't. Look at what that one error cost us.
Russian strength hides the fact that they have lost the techonology war. They are still struggling to develop a proper 5th gen FA. Russians may seem stronger now but their power projection capabilities have been permanently diminished. Domestically they are stronger now than in past. So, I don't see them loosing or splintering. They are here to stay. But I also don't see them crossing even Dnieper River. Russians will remain a boogeyman in north. They will keep EU on its toe.

Do you really think Mullah will be left with enough capabilities to inflict a conventional military cost? I don't think so. So, They will go sub conventional. Americans already deal with multi spectrum subconventional threats so its nothing new for them either.

Now, Pakistan Issue, I agree we should have finished them when we had the chance. But I don't think pakistan became more dangerous to us after 1971. It was always dangerous to us. It us who never recognized it. Yes, They became more lethal after it. But our state was more than willing to absorb those losses. Afterall our state is still happy to let Hindus die in WB.

So, All in all, American have actually done two things:
1. Reduced the influence zone of their adversaries. (Now, Americans have bigger bombs)
2. Made the conflicts more localized and intense.(Americans are further so heat is disproportionately on the adversaries)
 
So puppet will be installed.

High chance of civil war.
They'll airdrop crate-loads of weapons and munitions for the "friendly freedom fighters".
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MAGA ape is pissed because Macron went to Greenland & we all know that MAGA ape has a appetite for Greenland



Pretty sure that a lot of "dirty stuff" on Trump/UK/Euro/World politicians the Mossad has....

You know what! We have been talking about Russia and China looking to seize the opportunity created by upcoming US blunders. But I have a feeling, apart from Russia, it would be France who would seize the moment not China.
 

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