Israel x Iran Conflict (86 Viewers)

Bruh but what is new in all these .. we have faced all kinds of shit since independence . And still face . Once Naxalites used to be considered biggest threat to india . There was a time when helicopter gunship was used in a region in NE . The thing is India just too big .. Something happening in one side does nt necessarily gets interest in other areas for example farmer protest . If nothing could be done by cold war era red neck racist CIA people and a pakistan having better economically positioned when the country was at its weakest during formation stage after independence what could be done now .. Just grow technologically and economically. That's all matters now .
True, but they only saw us as a nuisance aligned with soviets back then.Not as a future near peer competitor

We don`t have digital sovereignty and barriers imposed by our language diversity will melt away with AI.

Social media is analogues to communication network back in 1857 and first war of independence was lost because firangs had control of it

Deep state almost pushed Modi out in 2024. Few seats more for Pappu and worthless politicians would have been competing with Pakroachs to sell ourselves to Chini or Amrikan masters

We may have survived as a country, but remember that bulk of our enormous thorium reserves disappeared between 2004-14 and God know what else
 
They`ll fund color revolution in addition to cookies, kashmir, khalistan and dravida groups

Sample the wordings & imagery below from a article out just today from a supposedly pro-India writer.

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This is exactly what we would witness in a decade if we don't get our shit together
And we aren't ready for that at all
 
Can someone explain to me how France is not in favor of attacking Iran at all and against Israel in this conflict?

All I can remember was studying that France did good amount of trade with them but what else is there?

They have a lasting panga since DeGaulle in '67 embargoed Israel just to curry favour with the Arab mulqs in the ME.
The IAF at this point comprised of mainly French aircraft, like almost the whole airforce
They had also ordered corvettes from France which they had to steal from French shipyards because of the embargo :bplease:

Fortunately for the ((( Chosen People ))), the Arabs were incompetent and lost the Six Day War as it was called :facepalm4: so DeGaulle's treachery had no effect :truestory:

TLDR The French Jewed the Jews

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Are there any civil war like scenerios in US ?
Anything ?
Usa has a far worse problem brewing than civil war: Latino demographic bomb. Within 2050 pretty much all the states usa won from Mexico, except Utah, is gonna be 50%+ Latino. And that is checkmate, because then we will push through referendum and Latinos are almost certain to seperate. This would create an america-2 in north America ( enlarged mexico), that will be permanent power check on usa. That is the plan and that plan can be delayed but not stopped.
 
Can someone explain to me how France is not in favor of attacking Iran at all and against Israel in this conflict?

All I can remember was studying that France did good amount of trade with them but what else is there?
Macroñ is trying to play statesman here .
Nothing more , the position he took is a fairly reasonable one , humari bhi to same position hai .
 

Haa aur Iran me raajshahi ajaye ?
Savama ko savak replace karega lekin tab Iran duniya ka sabse best country hoga .
Nai , mullah regime being anti America is a boon in disguise 🥸 🥸 🥸
Those who don't know, there was a unbroken American ally network from turkey to pakistan and khawariji Arabs along with them aka gulfies .
Iranian military was powerful and shah regularly helped pakis during those wars in 65 and 71 .
Heck he allowed free fuel to paki jets , in 65 to please his American masters .
Unless the regime if it were to replace the current regime is also anti American, it will be a disaster for us .
 
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We may have survived as a country, but remember that bulk of our enormous thorium reserves disappeared between 2004-14 and God know what else

What happened to the bulk of India's thorium reserve? We are building expensive thorium power reactors; they will be useless without thorium.
 
Haa aur Iran me raajshahi ajaye ?
Savama ko savak replace karega lekin tab Iran duniya ka sabse best country hoga .
Nai , mullah regime being anti America is a boon in disguise 🥸 🥸 🥸
Those who don't know, there was a unbroken American ally network from turkey to pakistan and khawariji Arabs along with them aka gulfies .
Iranian military was powerful and shah regularly helped pakis during those wars in 65 and 71 .
Heck he allowed free fuel to paki jets , in 65 to please his American masters .
Unless the regime if it were to replace the current regime is also anti American, it will be a disaster for us .
I don’t see everything with the prism of Pakistan. Very narrow minded thinking and it has never been Indian foreign office strategy to think like this thankfully.

You are giving Pakistan too much importance and ignoring the benefits that an economic revival of Iran can have. You can’t crib about chabahar port and want a defunct state at the same time. Iranians as a people have nothing in common with Pakistan first of all. People too people connect of Iran with India is way stronger.
 
Huh ! First time I'm hearing of it. Could you elaborate ?
DMK and Communists illegally gave access to mining companies to mine sand. I mean they gave permission to mine ilminite but companies mined monazite.

Tbh we still have the largest reserve of thorium. They couldn't export much.
 
Another grouse of mine with the jews is , they totally destroyed any and all powerful independent arab states, like sureiye and Iraq .
Iraq had literally done nothing, apart from taking part in war, against them.
Which even Somalia participated into .
The Netanyahu fellow, advocated for war relentlessly in 2003 . The only bulwark against them is now on the verge of falling .
Well now we have an all powerful American outpost in West Asia , with its subordinate rulers in khawirji states , Syria , Iraq , Jordan.
If Iran falls this American dagger will be ripe to be plunged in into india .
A pro america block from turkey to pakis, ( except taliban ) god save us .
 
Another grouse of mine with the jews is , they totally destroyed any and all powerful independent arab states, like sureiye and Iraq .
Iraq had literally done nothing, apart from taking part in war, against them.
Which even Somalia participated into .
The Netanyahu fellow, advocated for war relentlessly in 2003 . The only bulwark against them is now on the verge of falling .
Well now we have an all powerful American outpost in West Asia , with its subordinate rulers in khawirji states , Syria , Iraq , Jordan.
If Iran falls this American dagger will be ripe to be plunged in into india .
A pro america block from turkey to pakis, ( except taliban ) god save us .
The world is for the brave, law of nature.
 
I don’t see everything with the prism of Pakistan. Very narrow minded thinking and it has never been Indian foreign office strategy to think like this thankfully.

You are giving Pakistan too much importance and ignoring the benefits that an economic revival of Iran can have. You can’t crib about chabahar port and want a defunct state at the same time. Iranians as a people have nothing in common with Pakistan first of all. People too people connect of Iran with India is way stronger.
Guru, in reality Iranians batted for pakis during op sindoor, I support them only because they hate america . Pakis were one time referred to as " victors of nurkhan" by some Iranians on telegram
Also, Iranian state media is calling out india directly for its help to israel.
Apart from that, they are constantly hoping pakistan ( common Iranians,mind you ) will help them . Even though it was denied by the paki defense minister .
Chabahr was on track, before this happened .
Pakistan are something to be watched out for, my view is concerned with our security first and foremost and in my view , India's enemies are : america , china and Pakistan in that order , apart from Bangladesh. Which is a nuisance.
Also what people to people contact ?
2 provinces of Pakistan share almost same language as Iranians, namely nwfp and Balochistan, for that matter Iran also has a Balochistan.
I don't see major people to people contact, maybe shias have it , but not others .
Just look up the amount of petrol smuggled from Iran into pakiland . The very real people to people contact.
Infact porki national anthem, is written in Persian, that pak sarzameen sahd bad thing .
 
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Ideally they will want a pro west state. Since its not possible. They are happy if the writ of current regime is rendered ineffective.


US is oil surplus now. They really don't care about the world anymore. Infact it gives them even more leverage to bring the other states in their orbit. On Militias, They surely have factored the militias in equations. A US president don't easily give an audience to Chief of a designated terror organization without a deal. I will not give Houthis much credence. Americans seem to treat them as target practise. ISIS, HAMAS, HEZBOLLAH all were once tauted as very powerful entities but they all were rendered ineffective. Houthis may seem like a powerful foe but they actually are not. Militias only have nuisance value and they exist till the state let them. Once a modern state decide to finish them, they can do nothing more than squeal. Just like our naxals.


Russian strength hides the fact that they have lost the techonology war. They are still struggling to develop a proper 5th gen FA. Russians may seem stronger now but their power projection capabilities have been permanently diminished. Domestically they are stronger now than in past. So, I don't see them loosing or splintering. They are here to stay. But I also don't see them crossing even Dnieper River. Russians will remain a boogeyman in north. They will keep EU on its toe.

Do you really think Mullah will be left with enough capabilities to inflict a conventional military cost? I don't think so. So, They will go sub conventional. Americans already deal with multi spectrum subconventional threats so its nothing new for them either.

Now, Pakistan Issue, I agree we should have finished them when we had the chance. But I don't think pakistan became more dangerous to us after 1971. It was always dangerous to us. It us who never recognized it. Yes, They became more lethal after it. But our state was more than willing to absorb those losses. Afterall our state is still happy to let Hindus die in WB.

So, All in all, American have actually done two things:
1. Reduced the influence zone of their adversaries. (Now, Americans have bigger bombs)
2. Made the conflicts more localized and intense.(Americans are further so heat is disproportionately on the adversaries)
All right ! I don't think I could get my point across well to you & @Nibbler coz I didn't articulate my PoV well .

Instead of focusing on the tactical part of the equation I should have focused on the meta narrative which would have highlighted the faulty strategy of the US & the reason I think it won't get out , not without paying a heavy price.

What's the reason individuals or groups or nations crave power ? It's to do with material prosperity for power for its own sake doesn't yield anything.

Beginning 1990 with the collapse of the USSR the US was the sole super power of the world. The Chinese even called them the world's first hyper power .

If the US Deep State wanted it could've enacted policies which would have ensured American hegemony for another century.

Yet within less than 35 years , the US is on the brink of losing its premium status in the world. Now we can argue all day about how it is eliminating Iran like it did Saddam's regime earlier or how Putin's been brought to his knees or how the Europeans have been shown their place but in the larger scheme of things how have all these developments ensured the US continues its hegemony as sole super power of the world.

For starters it has done something unprecedented in the recorded history of mankind which is not only to aid the rise of its rival & be directly complicit in it namely the rise of China.

To think the world's foremost brain on foreign policy & strategy & practitioner of realpolitik - the Jew boy Henry Kissinger was behind the entire US policy on China .

Irrespective whose administration it was in power he was invited to the WH to be consulted so much so that Jew boy was seen as US's interlocutor with the CCP whereas he was in actuality the unofficial Chinese ambassador to the US.

Now it's not as if the US was unaware this was happening. Back in 2001 it perpetrated what's now known as the Hainan Incident . However before things could proceed further down that path , 9/11 happened.

In fact I'd go so far as to argue that with the collapse of the USSR , inhibitions which crept into the US Deep State post Vietnam about directly intervening in another country militarily , went for a toss. Check out direct US military interventions before 1990 & post 1990 including Afghanistan.

If you want to maintain your hegemony over the world , first & foremost , you do it thru trade & maintaining your stranglehold over technology for which peace is a pre requisite.

Problems require trouble shooting thru diplomacy where war becomes a tool of the last resort . However successive administrations since 1990 have been seen to be more trigger happy than its predecessor.

Consider "Nobel Peace Prize winner " Obummer. He withdrew from Iraq , ordered the surge in Afghanistan post Operation Neptune Spear & then got involved in Syria & Libya & another half a dozen other spots too insignificant to register.

I could go on . Trust you get the drift.

Up until this point I've been focusing only on their foreign policy . Check out their financial & monetary policies . Check out their debt in 1990 & what it is today. Check out what damages shipping off entire industries overseas especially to China has had on the middle & lower classes in the US. Mfg has practically disappeared.

This in turn has exacerbated social tensions , racial tensions , class tensions & is leading to the rise of a new class of politicians - the socialist democrats which is short hand for communists .

With cleavages opening up into chasms which are unbridgeable , all this tinder box requires is a spark.IMO the war over Taiwan will be that spark.
 

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