Israel x Iran Conflict (53 Viewers)

There was an extra battery of HQ-9 in Lahore which Intel didn't picked before the operation planning and it was the one which fired salvo of SAMs towards our fighters and caused the R jet crash
Where's the source? Or are you making this up. From what we know their minister publicly accepted their AD system was mostly off.
 
YES !!!
good news.

Allah didn't seem to be on the Mollah's side....
Pakistan is a mole within the Muslim Ummah, planted and protected by U.S. There are clear signs of Pakistan collaborating with the U.S. and Israel in these attacks on Iran. Iran, being a Shia-majority country, isn’t even considered Muslim by Sunni-majority countries anyway.
 
Now that imagery has emerged, I think my take from last night is vindicated - the damage seen thus far is not consistent with extremely large "bunker-buster" bombs but with lighter standoff weapons that caused only surface damage.The Iranians also clearly had ample warning.

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Contra to anyone claiming we don't know what a Massive Ordnance Penetrator impact will or should actually look like, we actually have a fairly good idea of exactly what effects such a weapon produces on the ground because very similar weapons were deployed during the Second World War - the Grand Slam and Tallboy bomb (figure 1). The Grand Slam was a 10,000kg penetrator bomb with 4300kg of explosive filling and the Tallboy was a 5400kg bomb with 2400kg of explosive filling. Meanwhile the GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator is a 12,300kg bomb with approximately 2400kg of explosive fill; the MOP is publicly reported to have about 50% better penetration than the Grand Slam (60m vs 40m of earth) combined with a near-identical explosive fill to the Tallboy. Its effects on the ground should look fairly similar to both of these weapons.


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What effect did these WWII earthquake bombs have on the ground? Well, they left GIGANTIC craters, as wide as 40 meters and as deep as 25 meters (see figure 2, the aftermath of an attack with these weapons - admittedly in earth, but their effects on reinforced concrete were just as spectacular). If MOPs were used in Iran last night - particularly multiple rounds delivered into the same hole - we would expect to see massive cratering, the sides of mountains blown out and landslides. These are not subtle weapons.


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What did we actually see when the sun came up and the usual brOSINT-IMINT satellites did their passes this morning? Well, allow me to refer you to figure 3, showing polite six-meter bomb scars with some thrown-up dust on the ridge above Fordow, precisely what you would expect from, say, the thousand-pound warhead on a Tomahawk or JASSM. It's enough, however, for Trump to declare victory and go home.


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Moreover it appears that the Iranians had so much warning of an impending attack - possibly via official or semi-official channels - that they not only evacuated equipment out of Fordow (figure 4, showing a large truck convoy spotted on the road outside prior to the strike) but they then buried the entrances to the facility to mitigate the effects of attack against the entry tunnels.As an aside, if the Iranians did in fact evacuate centrifuges and other critical machinery or even enriched uranium from Fordow then the Israelis would have had an opportunity to hit them in transit - an opportunity which they do not appear to have been able to close despite likely knowing about it given the scale of the operation and the amount of surveillance on Fordow.In sum - My theory from last night is, I believe, vindicated. I think this was a low-risk, low-impact attack with standoff munitions that had minimal effect on Iranian nuclear capabilities, but may open some political space for conflict deescalation or at least lessen political pressure on Trump from the Israel lobby to do something to bail out Netanyahu.

View: https://x.com/ArmchairW/status/1936849301617152103
 

You should know he is a russian shill. So, don't take everything he says seriously. This guy was unimpressed by our OP. Sindoor too.
I will ignore his opinion on this issue. There were total 12 bombs dropped on fordow site. There are only two clusters with 3 holes each. So, two missiles went through each hole. I am pretty sure that is enough firepower to rearrange the deep internals of the mountain. Fordow site is off the table for foreseeable future. Its lost. So are other sites.

Israel and US have successfully achieved the objective without any doubt in this case.

Now, They are moving on to next phase which will also be an aerial affair.
 
You should know he is a russian shill. So, don't take everything he says seriously. This guy was unimpressed by our OP. Sindoor too.
I will ignore his opinion on this issue. There were total 12 bombs dropped on fordow site. There are only two clusters with 3 holes each. So, two missiles went through each hole. I am pretty sure that is enough firepower to rearrange the deep internals of the mountain. Fordow site is off the table for foreseeable future. Its lost. So are other sites.

Israel and US have successfully achieved the objective without any doubt in this case.

Now, They are moving on to next phase which will also be an aerial affair.

You should know he is a russian shill. So, don't take everything he says seriously. This guy was unimpressed by our OP. Sindoor too.
I will ignore his opinion on this issue. There were total 12 bombs dropped on fordow site. There are only two clusters with 3 holes each. So, two missiles went through each hole. I am pretty sure that is enough firepower to rearrange the deep internals of the mountain. Fordow site is off the table for foreseeable future. Its lost. So are other sites.

Israel and US have successfully achieved the objective without any doubt in this case.

Now, They are moving on to next phase which will also be an aerial affair.
Whether he is a Russian shill or not is immaterial to the fact we don't yet know the extent of damage to these facilities let alone whether any objective has been achieved yet esp if that objective is denuclearisation. Theoretical speculations based on payload size are mostly what we have.
 
Whether he is a Russian shill or not is immaterial to the fact we don't yet know the extent of damage to these facilities let alone whether any objective has been achieved yet esp if that objective is denuclearisation. Theoretical speculations based on payload size are mostly what we have.
Its not immaterial because he will try to downplay the real gravity. Its like how in OP Sindoor most of the commentators downplayed the strategic failure of Pak to protect their military bases and instead focussed more on Rafale.

So we will need to read their assessment in a context. He is not a purely neutral observer. So, he will give benefit of doubt to the side he favors. There were 12 MOPs bomb dropped on fordow site. Its a huge firepower. Its enough to take the facility offline even if the strikes are a little off. We can't ignore this fact either.
 
So much for Moti's pearls of wisdom policies of no de-dollarization going against BRICS, and also not supporting SCO statements.
Why does it appear that Moti knows even less than mamuli DFB posters like us?
May be Mudi is buying us time. Going full scale against the US requires economic heft. Without proper insurance in place we cannot go ballistic against the great Satan.
 
Its not immaterial because he will try to downplay the real gravity. Its like how in OP Sindoor most of the commentators downplayed the strategic failure of Pak to protect their military bases and instead focussed more on Rafale.

So we will need to read their assessment in a context. He is not a purely neutral observer. So, he will give benefit of doubt to the side he favors. There were 12 MOPs bomb dropped on fordow site. Its a huge firepower. Its enough to take the facility offline even if the strikes are a little off. We can't ignore this fact either.
Will ignore a reverse of appeal to authority if we can agree no one is truly neutral in these matters.
The Caspian report video - who is not pro Iranian/Russian himself - pointed out about Fordow that 2 or 3 bombs dropped on its surface might not be enough to take it offline even if you assume a best case scenario. And this is not even mentioning whether these much vaunted 'bunker buster' bombs whose destructive potential is emphasized a lot is even capable of inflicting damage to that extent on that kind of terrain.
 
May be Mudi is buying us time. Going full scale against the US requires economic heft. Without proper insurance in place we cannot go ballistic against the great Satan.

We can't even take on China for now, let alone the Shaitan -e- Bozorg.

Mudi baba's trajectory is right, play neutral neutral while appearing biased to the West to dodge some bullets.

We can gain a lot by trying to extract technology from the west by pretending to be a good boi.
 

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