Israel x Iran Conflict (63 Viewers)

And on Iranian telegram groups they are saying, West gave india the bomb . And we didn't develop them on our own accord.
Thus they if Iranians make up bomb , then West will arm saudi, turki etc against Iran. Like they gave bomb to India against China.
Kya log hai ye, seriously there is something tremendously wrong with the average Iranian, they are not only delusional but believe in their falsehoods to such an extent , ki they often give pakistan a run for it money .
Koi inko batao, ki india ne kaise bomb banaya aur aaj ke era me india chahe to pure ke pure Iran ko dhool me Mila sakta hai .
Inki sejil, aur anth shant missile udne se pehle .
Agni 5 ki speed , 29,000 km/h hai terminal phase me, inko hamari mirv ke baare me abhi bhi nai pata .
Bhai Inka ye haal hamesha hota rahega, till they think pakistan defeated us decisively.
Therefore, I completely change my point now : ISRAEL GO , DESTROY THE TERRORIST REGIME IN TEHRAN .
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It's truly funny that you thought iranians are any different than pakis
After all they are Muslims first and no Muslim can ever be below a kafir in terms of anything
 
Yes Hitler was a drug addict and a delusional.
Stalin was an insomanic.
Winston Churchill was a drunk almost every waking moment.
Tojo was a Buddhist supremacist
But they do had balls of steel ..
They won't do bullshits like leaderans of today .
Every leader of today only does word masturbation. When is the time to do things they chicken out spectacularly ...
Case in point our leader , maga chuttad , Gayatullaha, 11 ping pong ..all the fattus of highest order

The only leader who have one ball of iron is Putin.
 
Their disdain matters very little. Leaders during the World Wars were all megalomaniacs. Being concerned about economic security while conducting limited military campaigns is WAY better than pushing the youth of the country into a War.
In fact, pretty much all leaders of both sides during the Second World War had fought in the First World War. These were disgruntled men with a god complex of having survived a world war, who projected their personal biases onto their whole nation's diaspora.
They weren't lion hearts. If anything, they were all genocidal maniacs.

In today's context, you can see similar glimpses in people like Netanyahu and Putin. The world knows how Putin's ambitions are playing out. And Netanyahu can be this gung ho only because the West is a sucker for Jewish manipulation.

It was because of a megalomaniac called Ben gurian we had Israel , it was because of megalomaniac Stalin USSR won 2nd world war against all odds .
In current time lines Netanyahoo and Putin will be worshipped in future if they win the wars they started
Ifffff Nyahoo can takeover some part of Gaza and make the jihadis to go quite for many years his policies will be echoed for generations to come
Same with Putin , if he takes some Ukraine land and increase the size of Russia , Russians will remember him for eternity
 
It was because of a megalomaniac called Ben gurian we had Israel , it was because of megalomaniac Stalin USSR won 2nd world war against all odds .
In current time lines Netanyahoo and Putin will be worshipped in future if they win the wars they started
Ifffff Nyahoo can takeover some part of Gaza and make the jihadis to go quite for many years his policies will be echoed for generations to come
Same with Putin , if he takes some Ukraine land and increase the size of Russia , Russians will remember him for eternity

Ben Gurion, I agree. But Stalin? The USSR won the War, partly owing to its massive troop reserves and stockpiles, and partly because Hitler's drug abuse made him obsessed with capturing territory that made no strategic sense in his campaign. Please don't forget that Stalin killed close to a million of his citizens- kulaks wiped out, the Ukrainian famine, and the notorious 1937 order that called for the mass execution and exile of “socially harmful elements” as “enemies of the people”

History is always written by the victors. And that is exactly what is going to happen in the case of Netanyahu. Israel certainly has a right to exist, but Netanyahu's campaigns are just for political gains because everything he has done has been rather spectacular, but has never achieved a concrete objective on purpose. Gaza and Iran are issues he is milking to protect his power. He'll never fully resolve them.

Putin is dealing with a lot of internal dissent because of how spectacularly he fucked up the initial blitzkreig into Ukraine. Exactly why he lost the support of the Wagner group. Now he is using petty Russian criminals as cannon fodder in Ukraine. Post Op Spyder, there is also a sense of insecurity among Russians, added to the frustration that Putin didn't retaliate strongly enough because Putin convinced the average Russian that the US was involved in the op, but he failed to do any harm, military or otherwise, to the West or the US.
 
Yup. She knows her enemy . Last checked Spain's TFR is at a record low & they're welcoming peacefuls by the hundreds if not thousands from all corners of the world - read Islamic sh!tholes , especially N Africa , whom their forefathers spent a mere 7 centuries to expel in a movement known to history as the Reconquista .

So the honourable MEP does indeed know her enemy like most of the political elite in the EU. Real sensible lady.
Who created the refugee crisis in Europe? Who created ISIS?
She knows what she is saying.
 
Who created the refugee crisis in Europe? Who created ISIS?
She knows what she is saying.
Well in that case why did the European component of NATO including Spain participate whole heartedly in those campaigns in Syria & Libya or even Iraq ?

Wasn't she aware of her own country's stand on these issues ? If no she's an idiot which she is , if yes she's a hypocrite.
 
Well in that case why did Europe participate whole heartedly in those campaigns in Syria & Libya or even Iraq ?

Wasn't she aware of her own country's stand on it ? If no she's an idiot which she is , if yes she's a hypocrite.
Regarding Spain first of all ~ it did not participate in either Iraq invasion or Syria. In Libya it participated in supporting role only after being authorised by "UN"!!.

Most of the Europe is just victim of US's decisions other than France or UK, UK being the bitch of US and France being the power that wants to be face of sovereign Europe plus prior economic interests in the North Africa guiding its decisions.
 
Regarding Spain first of all ~ it did not participate in either Iraq invasion or Syria. In Libya it participated in supporting role only after being authorised by "UN"!!.

It did participate in the war in Iraq but quit early. It's citizens also participated in the Syrian civil war joining various factions which Spain was powerless to prevent & likely didn't even pursue prosecution against the offenders & as you pointed out they were part of the no fly zone over Libya implemented in accordance with UNSC resolutions , initiated by the US with their European allies as wilful participants including Spain.

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Most of the Europe is just victim of US's decisions other than France or UK, UK being the bitch of US and France being the power that wants to be face of sovereign Europe plus prior economic interests in the North Africa guiding its decisions.

Well most of Europe also enjoyed the peace dividend under the US security umbrella contributing as little as possible preferring to spend it on development & welfare schemes , since the end of the WW-2 up until the war in Ukraine which they themselves provoked , notwithstanding the break up of Yugoslavia & the civil war that followed .

So if the US is to be blamed , Europe itself is neither an innocent party nor the babes in the woods they make it out to be for the world at large.
 
And on Iranian telegram groups they are saying, West gave india the bomb . And we didn't develop them on our own accord.
Thus they if Iranians make up bomb , then West will arm saudi, turki etc against Iran. Like they gave bomb to India against China.
Kya log hai ye, seriously there is something tremendously wrong with the average Iranian, they are not only delusional but believe in their falsehoods to such an extent , ki they often give pakistan a run for it money .
Koi inko batao, ki india ne kaise bomb banaya aur aaj ke era me india chahe to pure ke pure Iran ko dhool me Mila sakta hai .
Inki sejil, aur anth shant missile udne se pehle .
Agni 5 ki speed , 29,000 km/h hai terminal phase me, inko hamari mirv ke baare me abhi bhi nai pata .
Bhai Inka ye haal hamesha hota rahega, till they think pakistan defeated us decisively.
Therefore, I completely change my point now : ISRAEL GO , DESTROY THE TERRORIST REGIME IN TEHRAN .
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US did help one country build nuclear bomb and that was Pakistan.
Reagan administration kept lying in US parliament that Pakistan is not close to building a nuclear bomb despite US intelligence having proofs to the contrary because of the help it needed of Pakistan in Afghanistan and even made a fool out of Rajiv (though he was a fool anyways).
 
It did participate in the war in Iraq but quit early. It's citizens also participated in the Syrian civil war joining various factions which Spain was powerless to prevent & likely didn't even pursue prosecution against the offenders.

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Well most of Europe also enjoyed the peace dividend under the US security umbrella contributing as little as possible preferring to spend it on development & welfare schemes , since the end of the WW-2 up until the war in Ukraine which they themselves provoked , notwithstanding the break up of Yugoslavia & the civil war that followed .

So if the US is to be blamed , Europe itself is neither an innocent party nor the babes in the woods they make it out to be for the world at large.
Even Indians participated in Russia Ukraine war or Syrian Jihad, that is not an argument.

Peace from what, peace from whom? Was it not in US's interests to keep rest of Europe out of Russian influence? So who would fit the bill? Was it Europe vs USSR or US vs USSR?

And 1990 is long gone. Why and for whose interest Serbia was bombed, whose interests kept increasing borders of NATO?

What are the various powers of Europe that have their own sovereignty intact sans France?
 
Even Indians participated in Russia Ukraine war or Syrian Jihad, that is not an argument.
Yes but what was the scale of participation ? Moreover it was your contention they didn't participate in Iraq as well.

Being part of a contiguous land mass between Europe & Asia , did the Europeans undertake a risk assessment ? It's all very well for the US to do what it did for they're an ocean away.

Spain is next door from Africa & as things turned out with refugees from Afghanistan , Paxtan , Iraq etc turning up , they aren't too far it seems for citizens from those countries as well.
Peace from what, peace from whom? Was it not in US's interests to keep rest of Europe out of Russian influence? So who would fit the bill? Was it Europe vs USSR or US vs USSR?

What was the raison d'etre of NATO ? Why was it continued after the collapse of the USSR ? Putin's gone on record several times in the past and also after war broke out in Ukraine that he personally requested US Presidents Clinton & Bush Jr on becoming a member of NATO . US didn't permit it.

Why was Europe blind to the consequences of that decision ? None in Europe protested or even asked for an explanation . They're still silent on it. Of course this turned out to be a blessing in disguise as if all powerful nations ganged up , countries like India & China'd be screwed big time.

And 1990 is long gone. Why and for whose interest Serbia was bombed, whose interests kept increasing borders of NATO?

What are the various powers of Europe that have their own sovereignty intact sans France?

France on its own won't be able to achieve much . They've only maintained "reasonable " autonomy. They just lack the resources to be a completely independent power center. They know it , the US knows it & so does the rest of the world.
 
From Iran's perspective, ceasefire is a good step. You live to fight for another day. Not so good for the Mullah regime, but you can delude a large bunch of population like Pottystanis have done. If they can maintain political control even by more repression, I think it'll be fine for the regime.

From Israel's perspective, it's a good step as well. It appears Iran's nuke facilities are gone, so no centrifuges to enrich uranium anymore. It will take a long time to build these back, and they don't have to confront with the instability or the regime change mess. They've got an exit.
They will keep surveillance and keep their covert operations active.
 

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