Israel x Iran Conflict (27 Viewers)

Wonderful, the dude Azad or whatever called me a chu but I'm using foul language. 😂

This is how the entire exchange unfolded you piece of shit. At least have the integrity & the courage to own up to the shit you've dumped here. 👇
Let me guess - I'm the first one in your entire life time to inform you that opinions are like arse holes , everyone has one.

As for arseholes, look into a mirror.

Did I call you an arse hole ?

I called you one, take it as you will.
 
This is how the entire exchange unfolded you piece of shit. At least have the integrity & the courage to own up to the shit you've dumped here. 👇

Hey trash bag, you imply, I call out directly.

If you can't handle it, your problem.

Are you triggered? 😂
 
You imply, I call out directly.

If you can't handle it, your problem.
Then don't complain if you get it like kicks on much abused arse. Besides I never implied anything . My comment was on those authors of random tweets you linked here. I never abuse unless abused . As I've informed you before . You initiate . I retaliate.
 
You are one complaing, I don't have any problem with your language as your opinions are irrelevant to me.
Edited my post . Read & respond immediately. That's an order . Treat it like your father's kicking your arse around
 
3 hour thread reply ban issued to both @Nicky and @Azaad

Both guys calm down and cool off.
 
I don't know why idea of Iran having a nuke is making some people happy 😂 ..

Here are few facts -
The regime of Iran is in a mission to become leader of muslim world . They ll put their fingure in every issues if they ll have the luxury to do so .

They operate multiple proxies in middle east .

China had a plan few years back to invest 400 bl in Iran . We cnt out compete them . The Hamas tourism in pok was a omen of what might happen in future .

Regime remains or not we should nt be comfortable with another country having a nuke near us .
 
I don't think this ceasefire will last till the bilateral talks between Iran and Israel.
What information have you brought to this thread? I quote a reference for anything I say.
At least have the bare minimum decency of going through my post history before running your mouth.
 
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I don't know why idea of Iran having a nuke is making some people happy 😂 ..

Here are few facts -
The regime of Iran is in a mission to become leader of muslim world . They ll put their fingure in every issues if they ll have the luxury to do so .

They operate multiple proxies in middle east .

China had a plan few years back to invest 400 bl in Iran . We cnt out compete them . The Hamas tourism in pok was a omen of what might happen in future .

Regime remains or not we should nt be comfortable with another country having a nuke near us .
A Mullah regime in power in Iran with no nukes is the ideal situation from India's interests POV.

There are 3 scenarios how this can play out-

1) If America does a regime change and succeeds, the new leader whoever it be will be pro-US and projects including the North-South Transport corridor connecting India to Russia via Iran will be in jeopardy.

2) If Iran gets nukes, it'll be bad. No Muslim country even ones that are friendly to us should ever have nukes. Yeah the current generation of leaders might be friendly to us but there's no guarantee that the next gen won't be Islamist monkeys. This applies to all Islamic nations including UAE.

3) Iran's nuclear capabilities get destroyed and the mullah regime continues to rule without nukes.

For India, scenario no 3 is by far the best. Both 1 and 2 are bad for us in different ways.
 
A Mullah regime in power in Iran with no nukes is the ideal situation from India's interests POV.

There are 3 scenarios how this can play out-

1) If America does a regime change and succeeds, the new leader whoever it be will be pro-US and projects including the North-South Transport corridor connecting India to Russia via Iran will be in jeopardy.

2) If Iran gets nukes, it'll be bad. No Muslim country even ones that are friendly to us should ever have nukes. Yeah the current generation of leaders might be friendly to us but there's no guarantee that the next gen won't be an Islamist monkey. This applies to all Islamic nations including UAE.

3) Iran's nuclear capabilities get destroyed and the mullah regime continues to rule without nukes.

For India, scenario no 3 is by far the best. Both 1 and 2 are bad for us in different ways.
Unless the ceasefire is violated the Americans won't assassinate Khamenei. The Jews might be the ones to do it, and give America an opportunity to go ahead with a regime change. Having deliverable long range nukes give a country too much bargaining power and we don't need anymore of these in South Asia. Ideal if we could denuclearize pakistan, but that will be a tall order until Americans keep storing ordnance there.

I think scenario 3 is the most likely one here. But rather than their capabilities being destroyed outright, it'd just set them back a few decades, from where they'll try crawling back up again. Israel wants Iran to essentially sign an agreement that says Iran can't develop nukes. Which Iran will not abide by at any cost. So the current arrangement will continue. Every time Iran makes any significant development, few of their facilities will get hit, scientists assassinated, etc.​
 
Chill tf out, folks.

If you think Israel is all virtuous, you're wrong.
If you think Iran is all virtuous, you're wrong.

Israel and the Jewish people have been the target of Islamist Jihad for millennia now, so I completely agree that they have a right to protect themselves. However, this conflict that just took place was nothing but an orchestrated war where the Jewish population of Israel was never on anyone's mind. The Israeli government carried out this attack for two reasons. One is for Netanyahu to be able to retain his power because, contrary to what the Western media shows, Netanyahu's escapades in Gaza have brought down his popularity among the Jews quite a bit. He needed decisive action and a show of immeasurable force against the Islamists to win back the favour of his people. The other reason is to rally support and funding from the US deep state that earns money largely from the military-industrial complex and energy sectors. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow a report is published that lists a bunch of US senators and businessmen who shorted oil, gas, logistics stocks, and reinvested in defence stocks. I suspect that Netanyahu might have sold the idea of a regime change to get these people on board. Trump must've vetoed that (he did veto the assassination of Khamenei) because then the Nobel Peace Prize he's after would surely be a goner. Btw, Trump's reason to start wars and then try to negotiate peace deals has to be the stupidest reason any US president has ever started a War. What a fucking child!

Iran, while an Islamist nation that is a legitimate threat to Israel, still has the right to protect itself from unilateral Israeli aggression, which was this Op Rising Lion. If anything, Israel's war-mongering now makes Iran's case for nuclear weapons even stronger and will possibly push the Islamist regime to develop them with more haste and with added assistance from anti-West powers. Iran now also knows that, however strong the allied AD of Israel, the US, and NATO is, they are still incredibly vulnerable to concentration attacks. Mind you, there isn't any OSINT info on what level of damage the military and strategic installations of Israel took. Indeed, Iran's intentions of nuclear proliferation are mostly aimed at Israel, but from Iran's PoV, Israel is backed by major nuclear powers, that is, if Israel doesn't have its own nukes. Therefore, it is only plausible that Iran has its own nuclear deterrence. Imho, Iran as a nuclear power is a much safer prospect for the world than Pakistan being a nuclear power.

We need to stop fighting this game of sides because that is exactly what the propagandists on both sides want. The logical thing to do is to understand the outcomes of this conflict from the Indian perspective, one that is most relevant to this forum. Israel is an important defence and tech partner for India, while Iran is an important energy and logistics partner. Neither of them can be discounted. Khamenei's remaining in power is quite beneficial for India because, irrespective of his public stance on domestic issues, India has strategic ties with Iran that protect our energy interests quite a bit from US sanctions. Had the regime been toppled, we would have been at the mercy of Shell and whatnot. Netanyahu's newfound jingoism is also beneficial for us because it can be strategically used against Pakistan soon. Additionally, he and Trump falling out also gives us a golden opportunity to garner deeper cooperation with Israel, not only in a bilateral capacity, but in a benefactor capacity. The more such countries fall out with the West, the more India should invest in moving them away from the NATO nexus, because, dare I say it, there is a palpable global disdain for the West's hegemony even among some of the European powers. Everyone is tired of the right-wing bufoon and the left-wing jihadists. Geopolitically speaking, India is the safest bet and the only breath of fresh air out there for all these nations. The global south needs India to grow, and Western nations like France, Italy need India to remain relevant. India is emerging as essentially a modded version of 20th-century China. Why I say modded is because India not only provides cheap manufacturing to the world, but also is starting to play the role of middleman for products from sanctioned nations to be sold in the nations that placed these sanctions in the first place. Exactly, why Lindsey Graham is jumping for his "bunker-buster" bill. He and his pals are losing all their commissions. Well, I hope orangetan sings the bill. Russia, India, and China have already de-dollarized their bilateral trades. This bill will only push even Europe and other US allies to the negotiation table with India.
 
One has to first define what ‘destroying Iran’s nuclear weapons program’ means?
Is it destroying everyone/everything including the enriched Uranium or just the expensive facilities?

The entire messaging by either Trump or his team is that the nuclear facilities have been destroyed.
Was there ever a claim that even the enriched Uranium was destroyed?
Here Tulsi clearly says the same, I.e they will have to rebuild the facilities (with no reference to enriched U)
And should they every try to rebuild them, rest assured another package of B2s will take off. You can’t simply build them secretly anymore in this era.

And if Iran has to retry building, they will have to flush out their enemies sitting within their borders.


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One has to first define what ‘destroying Iran’s nuclear weapons program’ means?
Is it destroying everyone including the enriched Uranium or just the expensive facilities?

The entire messaging by either Trump or his team is that the nuclear facilities have been destroyed.
Was there ever a claim that even the enriched Uranium was destroyed?
Here Tulsi clearly says the same, I.e they will have to rebuild the facilities (with no reference to enriched U)
And should they every try to rebuild them, rest assured another package of B2s will take off.

And if Iran has to retry building, they will have to flush out their enemies sitting within their borders.


View: https://x.com/dnigabbard/status/1937934899710710170?s=46


Bruh, it's all hogwash. This is a mild repeat of the WMD bullshit these rat bastards pulled in Iraq.

Reports point to only one thing: Iran still retains most of the 60% enriched uranium, and NO ONE seems to know where it is. IAEA even claimed to have found traces of 83% enriched uranium. So it is highly plausible that Iran has nuke-grade uranium and could be months away from a testable warhead.

Tulsi Gabbard, in a report earlier this year, claimed that there is no credible evidence of Iran trying to build a nuclear weapon, and the Ayatollah had not resumed funding the nuclear program, which was shelved in 2011. But within a matter of months, Iran is suddenly very close to building nukes, and is so close to success that it warrants a full-on carpet bombing of Iran?

Also, I'm convinced that the underground nuclear facilities were not completely obliterated. The initial leaked intel report stated that while the facilities received substantial damage, it is something that Iran can reverse in a matter of months. The report categorically stated that Iran's nuclear capability has been pushed back a mere 6 months, a capability that was non-existent till a few months back. Moreover, the cancellation of the intel hearing after the leak and the subsequent change of tune from these agencies makes it blisteringly obvious that Trump wants his claims to be true, even if it means faking intel reports. (Iraq WMD anyone?) This fake intel report is what will be presented in front of Congress. Even if you discount every bit of proof, the erratic behavior of Dolund, not-so-ad Vance, Rubix Cube, and Peter Pan is proof enough that they're lying through their teeth. The amount of saber-rattling that was done by Orangetan almost guaranteed that Iran would have moved its nuclear fuel and critical equipment out of these facilities before anything would have hit them.
 
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One has to first define what ‘destroying Iran’s nuclear weapons program’ means?
Is it destroying everyone/everything including the enriched Uranium or just the expensive facilities?

The entire messaging by either Trump or his team is that the nuclear facilities have been destroyed.
Was there ever a claim that even the enriched Uranium was destroyed?
Here Tulsi clearly says the same, I.e they will have to rebuild the facilities (with no reference to enriched U)
And should they every try to rebuild them, rest assured another package of B2s will take off. You can’t simply build them secretly anymore in this era.

And if Iran has to retry building, they will have to flush out their enemies sitting within their borders.


View: https://x.com/dnigabbard/status/1937934899710710170?s=46

True . Everyone is focusing on the enriched material which is not even fissile enough for a bomb but nobody is asking about the centrifuges .. for a uranium bomb this the most critical bottle neck (outside of the implosion device to set off the bomb). If I was in Irans shoes the centrifuges would be NO 1 priority.
 

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