Language policy in today's age , and the increased regionalism present.how to reach consensus with various groups and anything else you may contribute

[Magadha Naresh]

The recent linguistic debates have quite unsettled me , as the need to maintain stability and cohesion in the nation , it is imperative to maintain a common linguistic thread apart from conservation and promotion of any other regional language.
First it was Tamil Nadu, then Maharashtra and now Karnataka has joined the bandwagon.
In my opinion , the orignal three language formula of 1968 , was the most clear formula for usage and learning of various languages in the county.
It did state that in any state where hindi is spoken as a major language.
The formula shall be English, hindi and any other regional language from southern states , the concerned state chooses , in practice it means that if rajasthan chooses Tamil then the children in that state will learn English , hindi and Tamil .
It was sadly never implemented in earnest as a person called as inder Kumar gujral , tasked committee to instead look into promotion of urdu in place of let's say kannada , Telugu etc .
thus the aforementioned sound approach was never implemented.
Also let me ask you people , what makes a language chauvanist tick ?
Since the concerned regional language is already used in public places and govt documents along with Hindi and Hindi , then why the hatred against Hindi ?
Even though the state is free to teach it's own language .
How it can be called as imposition? As for me ,
I know how to read write and speak gujarati since I was taught in the same in my school days .
@ezsasa
@Azaad
@Tactical Doge
@haldilal
And others.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Noone has anything to say ?

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Noone has anything to say ?

Whom do you think are all these Language-Kangers? Don't you think they look like those Youth thugs of Political Parties? They themselves know barely of their own mother tongue. You are looking as if it's innate problem but it's a problem that is created.

It was artificially created and sustained with backing of politicial parties. It's not as grievances of people themselves. The average person doesn't give a shit about his/her mother tongue. So trying to look for solution is not the way, because the very problem is unwarranted.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Whom do you think are all these Language-Kangers? Don't you think they look like those Youth thugs of Political Parties? They themselves know barely of their own mother tongue. You are looking as if it's innate problem but it's a problem that is created.

It was artificially created and sustained with backing of politicial parties. It's not as grievances of people themselves. The average person doesn't give a shit about his/her mother tongue. So trying to look for solution is not the way, because the very problem is unwarranted.

Then how to curb it ?
As even created problems have a cascading effect in the long run .
People might start to see it as part of what I call " grievance portfolio " .
I don't mean to say in any possible manner that regional languages ought to be curbed , I would be a retard to say that for regional languages are our treasure , but language kanging is what I wish to see gone .

 

[Magadha Naresh]

@FalconSlayers
@ArjunMK1A

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Then how to curb it ?
I don't mean to say in any possible manner that regional languages ought to be curbed , I would be a retard to say that for regional languages are our treasure , but language kanging is what I wish to see gone .

You see the root cause is "Unwanted/Undesired" Elements of the society that run amock. Why that happened? Because we didn't have proper Schooling culture. "School" is majorly never about Education. It's primarily about Conditioning. Tuning chaotic humans into 9 to 5 in preparation for their future lifestyle as productive workers. I assume most of these retards doesn't have proper schooling or their schools are lax.

You put these dipshits into Telugu Schools like Sri Chaitanya and Narayana where they beat you black and blue everyday. It leads to conditioning and discipline. This is why majority of the Telugu youth doesn't do much anti-social antics especially the recent ones. It's never about Education Or upbringing but everything about Schooling.

In a nutshell, it neuters them. Hence you find very less chaotic behavior in East Asian countries.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

You see the root cause is "Unwanted/Undesired" Elements of the society that run amock. Why that happened? Because we didn't have proper Schooling culture. "School" is majorly never about Education. It's primarily about Conditioning. Tuning chaotic humans into 9 to 5 in preparation for their future lifestyle as productive workers. I assume most of these retards doesn't have proper schooling or their schools are lax.

You put these dipshits into Telugu Schools like Sri Chaitanya and Narayana where they beat you black and blue everyday. It leads to conditioning and discipline. This is why majority of the Telugu youth doesn't do much anti-social antics especially the recent ones. It's never about Education Or upbringing but everything about Schooling.

In a nutshell, it neuters them. Hence you find very less chaotic behavior in East Asian countries.

I don't know sir , whether you belong to a non hindi state , but I have heard about narayana and Sri Chaitanya.
They seem brutal, .
So basically what they do in Korea etc should be done here too ?
I agree

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Still the linguistic policy of 68 should be implemented,this will help folks in north to learn a language from south enmasse .

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Aadarniya Love Charger Jha ji ko saadar pranam

Pranaam northern saab

 

[Yuyutsu]

The recent linguistic debates have quite unsettled me , as the need to maintain stability and cohesion in the nation , it is imperative to maintain a common linguistic thread apart from conservation and promotion of any other regional language.
First it was Tamil Nadu, then Maharashtra and now Karnataka has joined the bandwagon.
In my opinion , the orignal three language formula of 1968 , was the most clear formula for usage and learning of various languages in the county.
It did state that in any state where hindi is spoken as a major language.
The formula shall be English, hindi and any other regional language from southern states , the concerned state chooses , in practice it means that if rajasthan chooses Tamil then the children in that state will learn English , hindi and Tamil .
It was sadly never implemented in earnest as a person called as inder Kumar gujral , tasked committee to instead look into promotion of urdu in place of let's say kannada , Telugu etc .
thus the aforementioned sound approach was never implemented.
Also let me ask you people , what makes a language chauvanist tick ?
Since the concerned regional language is already used in public places and govt documents along with Hindi and Hindi , then why the hatred against Hindi ?
Even though the state is free to teach it's own language .
How it can be called as imposition? As for me ,
I know how to read write and speak gujarati since I was taught in the same in my school days .
@ezsasa
@Azaad
@Tactical Doge
@haldilal
And others.

three language policy
for all non south states - hindi and english. (local language can be easily learned at home) and any one from south ( to be taught in higher classes when grasping power is high and easy daily uses phrases only)

for south states - local , english , hindi (to be taught in higher classes when grasping power is high and easy daily uses phrases only).

no need to deep dive in other's language just common used phrases for a year or 2 would be enough or maybe in colleges.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

three language policy
for all non south states - hindi and english. (local language can be easily learned at home) and any one from south ( to be taught in higher classes when grasping power is high and easy daily uses phrases only)

for south states - local , english , hindi (to be taught in higher classes when grasping power is high and easy daily uses phrases only).

no need to deep dive in other's language just common used phrases for a year or 2 would be enough or maybe in colleges.

That's what the policy said , ik gujral fucked it up.
Anyway I pray that these regular flareups we are looking nowadays with regards to language don't turn into someting bigger.
If they do , then any dream of amrit kal will be dream.

 

[Yuyutsu]

That's what the policy said , ik gujral fucked it up.
Anyway I pray that these regular flareups we are looking nowadays with regards to language don't turn into someting bigger.
If they do , then any dream of amrit kal will be dream.

no i meant only one southern language to be taught in all rest non south states and this -

no need to deep dive in other's language just common used phrases for a year or 2 would be enough or maybe in colleges.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

@FalconSlayers
@ArjunMK1A

Politicians need RR over something this is one of the easiest way. KA is like that for long time, previously it was Cauvery issue where tamils get ass handed by them in Bengaluru, nowadays it is Bihara bhaiays getting their ass handed. In ground level, you still need cheap labor and all of them were coming from Eastern UP, Bihar and working in Labor intensive industries like Textiles. Bihar bhois becomes integral part of Tirupur Industry.

TN going for election next year, meaning RR needs to be done daily where random incidents like muh CISF jawans asked to talk in hindi saar , I am violated saar randi rona from DMK MPs will soon hit the news.

Reminds me an incident during 2023-24 General Elections when Nithish babu was in MGB, there was an meeting among these guys where DMK Rep, TR Balu was attending. Incident was Nithish was reading the plan in hindi when Balu asked to read in English, Nithish does not give an fuck and read the entire thing in Hindi only.

These things were more or less an illusion to show they are fighting some real problems while recruitment in Government school is getting less year by year. All modern day schools already have 2 language options, if you are in CBSE 3rd language will come. So on ground people learn whatever they want, but having in school as extra course will be helpful since it is easy to pick from there rather wasting time on tuitions.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Politicians need RR over something this is one of the easiest way. KA is like that for long time, previously it was Cauvery issue where tamils get ass handed by them in Bengaluru, nowadays it is Bihara bhaiays getting their ass handed. In ground level, you still need cheap labor and all of them were coming from Eastern UP, Bihar and working in Labor intensive industries like Textiles. Bihar bhois becomes integral part of Tirupur Industry.

TN going for election next year, meaning RR needs to be done daily where random incidents like muh CISF jawans asked to talk in hindi saar , I am violated saar randi rona from DMK MPs will soon hit the news.

Reminds me an incident during 2023-24 General Elections when Nithish babu was in MGB, there was an meeting among these guys where DMK Rep, TR Balu was attending. Incident was Nithish was reading the plan in hindi when Balu asked to read in English, Nithish does not give an fuck and read the entire thing in Hindi only.

These things were more or less an illusion to show they are fighting some real problems while recruitment in Government school is getting less year by year. All modern day schools already have 2 language options, if you are in CBSE 3rd language will come. So on ground people learn whatever they want, but having in school as extra course will be helpful since it is easy to pick from there rather wasting time on tuitions.

Yes you are mate , abhi elections hai.
They will do this bs .
Last time karnataka bros was fighting with Marathi bros , over belgavi . I guess Or the other way round I don't know but there was a little animosity.
Especially here on the forum our resident cat @haldilal was Angy .
Still such things should not be encouraged by any party .
If it spiral downs into something big , then it will be devastating for whole nation.
As for Nitish, even if he had read the plan in tamil , it would have failed.
Mr Balu was getting worked up without any reason in that regard.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Politicians need RR over something this is one of the easiest way. KA is like that for long time, previously it was Cauvery issue where tamils get ass handed by them in Bengaluru, nowadays it is Bihara bhaiays getting their ass handed. In ground level, you still need cheap labor and all of them were coming from Eastern UP, Bihar and working in Labor intensive industries like Textiles. Bihar bhois becomes integral part of Tirupur Industry.

TN going for election next year, meaning RR needs to be done daily where random incidents like muh CISF jawans asked to talk in hindi saar , I am violated saar randi rona from DMK MPs will soon hit the news.

Reminds me an incident during 2023-24 General Elections when Nithish babu was in MGB, there was an meeting among these guys where DMK Rep, TR Balu was attending. Incident was Nithish was reading the plan in hindi when Balu asked to read in English, Nithish does not give an fuck and read the entire thing in Hindi only.

These things were more or less an illusion to show they are fighting some real problems while recruitment in Government school is getting less year by year. All modern day schools already have 2 language options, if you are in CBSE 3rd language will come. So on ground people learn whatever they want, but having in school as extra course will be helpful since it is easy to pick from there rather wasting time on tuitions.

Folks here in dps , used to learn froggie language over an indian one .
Yes marathis too used to learn French for all intents and purposes , people are learning what they want to .
To be honest if I were given a option to learn Tamil and french, I would choose the first one anytime.

 

[Gandaberunda]

The recent linguistic debates have quite unsettled me , as the need to maintain stability and cohesion in the nation , it is imperative to maintain a common linguistic thread apart from conservation and promotion of any other regional language.
First it was Tamil Nadu, then Maharashtra and now Karnataka has joined the bandwagon.
In my opinion , the orignal three language formula of 1968 , was the most clear formula for usage and learning of various languages in the county.
It did state that in any state where hindi is spoken as a major language.
The formula shall be English, hindi and any other regional language from southern states , the concerned state chooses , in practice it means that if rajasthan chooses Tamil then the children in that state will learn English , hindi and Tamil .
It was sadly never implemented in earnest as a person called as inder Kumar gujral , tasked committee to instead look into promotion of urdu in place of let's say kannada , Telugu etc .
thus the aforementioned sound approach was never implemented.
Also let me ask you people , what makes a language chauvanist tick ?
Since the concerned regional language is already used in public places and govt documents along with Hindi and Hindi , then why the hatred against Hindi ?
Even though the state is free to teach it's own language .
How it can be called as imposition? As for me ,
I know how to read write and speak gujarati since I was taught in the same in my school days .
@ezsasa
@Azaad
@Tactical Doge
@haldilal
And others.

Since the concerned regional language is already used in public places and govt documents along with Hindi and Hindi , then why the hatred against Hindi ?
Even though the state is free to teach it's own language .
How it can be called as imposition?

Let me explain how Hindi imposition happening.
Go to any post office PSU bank and ask for withdraw slip and oila there is no local language only Hindi and English. All the customer facing employees are Hindi walas ( GoI removed domicile policy to fill Hindi speakers in non Hindi states) doesn’t know a letter of local language and asks to speak in Hindi and if they speak English they switch over to Hindi in half a sentence. I regularly go to bank and seen people struggle to converse with bank employees because they are kanging in Hindi and saying Hindi me bolo or write slip who are educated in local language. You are from Gujrat and just look at NH boards in Gujarat there is no Hindi but in all south states the boards and mile stones are written in Hindi and English ( some cases there is no local language boards). The entitlement of Hindi walas ( Hindi is national language and forcing the locals so that they can be comfortable in their own language own culture is not acceptable.
Regarding 3 language formulas none in north India follow that UP has drawing and no third language is thought despite they’re population migrated south for living but force south to follow hindi as third language because Hindi migrants can be comfortable in South Indian states when they migrate?

 

[shade2]

Noone has anything to say ?

Because it's another fake and made up issue to excite the voting masses into pressing the relevant language-kang party's symbol on the EVM.

Like how muh jaat is in the north and everywhere else.

The only state where this consistently works is TN, doubt it will help congress in KA in a future election or MNS/Uddhav sena in Municipal elections in MH.

btw in case you haven't noticed, Language Kangz, Caste Kangz etc all distract from Indian/Hindu unity that Bhajipao peddles, accordingly, North vs South, xyz vs abc jaat and Muh Language are all peddled by a certain sekoolar alliance with congress at the helm.

Your average language kang party goon will never go to a green majority area and tell greens to speak language of the land.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Folks here in dps , used to learn froggie language over an indian one .
Yes marathis too used to learn French for all intents and purposes , people are learning what they want to .
To be honest if I were given a option to learn Tamil and french, I would choose the first one anytime.

Bigger schools can host these extra languages class. It is matter of money. All modern schools have extra facility. Just pay 1.75 lakhs for LKG

 

[sameer]

The recent linguistic debates have quite unsettled me , as the need to maintain stability and cohesion in the nation , it is imperative to maintain a common linguistic thread apart from conservation and promotion of any other regional language.
First it was Tamil Nadu, then Maharashtra and now Karnataka has joined the bandwagon.
In my opinion , the orignal three language formula of 1968 , was the most clear formula for usage and learning of various languages in the county.
It did state that in any state where hindi is spoken as a major language.
The formula shall be English, hindi and any other regional language from southern states , the concerned state chooses , in practice it means that if rajasthan chooses Tamil then the children in that state will learn English , hindi and Tamil .
It was sadly never implemented in earnest as a person called as inder Kumar gujral , tasked committee to instead look into promotion of urdu in place of let's say kannada , Telugu etc .
thus the aforementioned sound approach was never implemented.
Also let me ask you people , what makes a language chauvanist tick ?
Since the concerned regional language is already used in public places and govt documents along with Hindi and Hindi , then why the hatred against Hindi ?
Even though the state is free to teach it's own language .
How it can be called as imposition? As for me ,
I know how to read write and speak gujarati since I was taught in the same in my school days .
@ezsasa
@Azaad
@Tactical Doge
@haldilal
And others.

It's a thing only in TN, and there too driven by DMK. The general public doesn't care that much. Same in Karnataka as well, driven by Chongress- to play the outsider vs native card, since the other division tactics like caste aren't working.

TLDR: It's politically driven. The average guy on the street doesn't care.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

Let me explain how Hindi imposition happening.
Go to any post office PSU bank and ask for withdraw slip and oila there is no local language only Hindi and English. All the customer facing employees are Hindi walas ( GoI removed domicile policy to fill Hindi speakers in non Hindi states) doesn’t know a letter of local language and asks to speak in Hindi and if they speak English they switch over to Hindi in half a sentence. I regularly go to bank and seen people struggle to converse with bank employees because they are kanging in Hindi and saying Hindi me bolo or write slip who are educated in local language. You are from Gujrat and just look at NH boards in Gujarat there is no Hindi but in all south states the boards and mile stones are written in Hindi and English ( some cases there is no local language boards). The entitlement of Hindi walas ( Hindi is national language and forcing the locals so that they can be comfortable in their own language own culture is not acceptable.
Regarding 3 language formulas none in north India follow that UP has drawing and no third language is thought despite they’re population migrated south for living but force south to follow hindi as third language because Hindi migrants can be comfortable in South Indian states when they migrate?

Thanks for reply, it gave a very constructive counter point to this discussion. And yes this is a problem, a major one at that . As for banks govt has reintroduced the quota thing , and forms are being available in local language too .
It's slow but it is being rectified. And people from south , in my suggestion know Hindi , because it will atleast lead to a common language with everyone and each other apart from English . I know Hindi is not superior to any other language, which are far older and have much higher level of literature present in them.
Meanwhile regional languages should be taught in northern states and duly nurtured in southern states too, it should be directive by the central government, this policy went down the drain because of it was left to the states .
And iam not from gujrat , I am jharkhand, a hindi state with maithli , hindi , english and urdu has official languages.
I learned gujrati because I studied it in school.
Similarly if any third regional language is taught in a hindi state , children will learn it . Teachers will be needed too to teach those.