LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[Bleh]

In layman terms, why do we need canards for Mk2? What benefits do they bring and what re the cons for using them?

The sort of extreme close-coupled canards that nearly overlap the wings on LCA Mk2, are primarily meant for increasing payload & low-speed handling. The closest comparison design-wise is with IAI Kfir that saw a 3500kg increase in payload from original Mirage 5 by adding canards.

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This pattern is also ensure that drag-increas is minimum of all canards locations.

 

[shiphone]

it seems that you forgot the 'NEW' engine on Kfir which provides much more thrust than the orinal one

 

[Spitfire IX]

Because no firm will keep prices fixed because your internal processes take 15 years.

Same bloody thing happened with the DARIN III engines from Honeywell. They waited for 9 freaking years for MoD and MoF to make up their minds and then updated the prices.

I was commenting on the reason why a committee should be formed to take over negotiation in the place of the current Indian negotiators. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Yes, no price quoted is firm indefinitely. Does GOI not understand that?

 

[daya]

No one is discussing the kaveri refinement with the help of safran,if they can promise optimised kaveri ,performance like ge f404 then it should be done ....give them the money ....and stop begging to us

Most important least considered.

 

[daya]

I was commenting on the reason why a committee should be formed to take over negotiation in the place of the current Indian negotiators. Doesn't make any sense to me.

Yes, no price quoted is firm indefinitely. Does GOI not understand that?

Committee is formed to distribute (not share) responsibility only ... and nothing else...

 

[Spitfire IX]

Committee is formed to distribute (not share) responsibility only ... and nothing else...

What gain is there from that?

 

[Blood+]

Because no firm will keep prices fixed because your internal processes take 15 years.

Same bloody thing happened with the DARIN III engines from Honeywell. They waited for 9 freaking years for MoD and MoF to make up their minds and then updated the prices.

Farmers ke liye annually MSP par 200000 cr kharch hojaata hai. New engines? Pfft

This shit is unlikely to change until we can give the IAS mafia the boot theat's been pending for decades.

 

[Bleh]

it seems that you forgot the 'NEW' engine on Kfir which provides much more thrust than the orinal one

MWF will also be having similar thrust gain of 10kN, so didn't cover that.

 

[Patriots]

View: https://x.com/hvtiaf_bharat/status/1875457405393498166/photo/1

 

[angryindian]

what a tragedy


View: https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1876589545468440822

 

[Vishnugupt]

what a tragedy


View: https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1876589545468440822

This Canadian general must know when you order only 40 jets in price which you paid in 2009 then no-one is going to deliver that in 40 jets in one year.

This Canadian UN Generals didn't ask this question when French UN general give Mirage upgrade order which will upgrade in 10 years of time span?

40 Tejas has been delivered in 2022.

 

[daya]

what a tragedy


View: https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1876589545468440822

They have also gone for too many tweaks ...

 

[Blademaster]

@mods are we really going to allow such comments ?
@LETHALFORCE

Get over it. Develop a thicker skin.

 

[shade2]

This Canadian general must know when you order only 40 jets in price which you paid in 2009 then no-one is going to deliver that in 40 jets in one year.

This Canadian UN Generals didn't ask this question when French UN general give Mirage upgrade order which will upgrade in 10 years of time span?

40 Tejas has been delivered in 2022.

They have also gone for too many tweaks ...

By now I'm convinced the only cure for a Importitis of Genrols is forcing the "Navy Model" upon them


View: https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1876634574647959988

Navy Model

>Genrols/Marshols have to design whatever they want, as in literal design and R&D, not just ((( GSQR )))

>Genrols/Marshols can take help from ADA/ARDE/CVRDE if they don't have proper "engineer" afsars among their ranks to get started

>Only Genrols/Marshols are satisfied, they approach a manufacturer, like HAL or any of the N private sector guys who have popped up, Tata, Kalyani L&T whatever

>If Genrols want a mine plough on their new tank, they add it but don't get to complain about "additional weight" and "delays" since they have design control, they make their own choice on tradeoffs

>Genrols/Marshols also have to collaborate with BEL, BDL or any private sector equivalent for electronics/guns/missiles whatever else they need or ask permissions from Gormint for (((import)))

>Imports of domestically produced under license platforms should be preferred( Otomelara 127/64 is tainted by SCAM, BAE Mk45 inch gun is too expensive, make do with SRGM yo! )

>If Genrol wants the fancy imported sht, he should be ready to bear the responsibilities for any delays in delivery, and not blame the manufacturer, like Chad Admirals took the L because of their Jewish Missiles, Jewish Radar and Russian ASM for Kolkata class destroyers, not the MDL shipyard.


Guess this is a good enough plan to fix the flying and terrestrial Genrols, the main plan here is to take away their ability of putting the blame on DRDO or HAL or whoever else( Let's assume some private sectors also included ) and using that as an excuse to push for imports.

 

[Vishnugupt]

By now I'm convinced the only cure for a Importitis of Genrols is forcing the "Navy Model" upon them


View: https://x.com/KSingh_1469/status/1876634574647959988

Navy Model

>Genrols/Marshols have to design whatever they want, as in literal design and R&D, not just ((( GSQR )))

>Genrols/Marshols can take help from ADA/ARDE/CVRDE if they don't have proper "engineer" afsars among their ranks to get started

>Only Genrols/Marshols are satisfied, they approach a manufacturer, like HAL or any of the N private sector guys who have popped up, Tata, Kalyani L&T whatever

>If Genrols want a mine plough on their new tank, they add it but don't get to complain about "additional weight" and "delays" since they have design control, they make their own choice on tradeoffs

>Genrols/Marshols also have to collaborate with BEL, BDL or any private sector equivalent for electronics/guns/missiles whatever else they need or ask permissions from Gormint for (((import)))

>Imports of domestically produced under license platforms should be preferred( Otomelara 127/64 is tainted by SCAM, BAE Mk45 inch gun is too expensive, make do with SRGM yo! )

>If Genrol wants the fancy imported sht, he should be ready to bear the responsibilities for any delays in delivery, and not blame the manufacturer, like Chad Admirals took the L because of their Jewish Missiles, Jewish Radar and Russian ASM for Kolkata class destroyers, not the MDL shipyard.


Guess this is a good enough plan to fix the flying and terrestrial Genrols, the main plan here is to take away their ability of putting the blame on DRDO or HAL or whoever else( Let's assume some private sectors also included ) and using that as an excuse to push for imports.

But the problem is UN General does not know how to work. They only know how to cry. Look at how these people are acting on Twitter is shameful.

 

[silentassassin265]

But the problem is UN General does not know how to work. They only know how to cry. Look at how these people are acting on Twitter is shameful.

Tejas didn't even had FOC clearance in 2009 so how is he claiming that 40 jets were ordered in 2009?
FOC clearance was given only after 2015

 

[705-Lira]

Tejas didn't even had FOC clearance in 2009 so how is he claiming that 40 jets were ordered in 2009?
FOC clearance was given only after 2015

FOC clearance was granted in Feb 2019 to be exact

 

[angryindian]

They have also gone for too many tweaks ...

The merry-go-round between IAF,HAL and ADA has not only ensured that we not only have no credible effective conventional deterrence against China but on the verge of losing Air supremacy over Pakistan,a country barely 9% the economic size of India.

Only God can help this country now.

 

[Vishnugupt]

Tejas didn't even had FOC clearance in 2009 so how is he claiming that 40 jets were ordered in 2009?
FOC clearance was given only after 2015

it was aircraft developmental iteration, 20 aircraft IOC standard (2004), and 20 with FOC ( 2009).
So basically it is the art of killing a project as follows:

1) Prolonging development time by giving new requirements
2) Small order to make it difficult to achieve scale of economy, means slow production
3) To make it impossible to indigenize subsystems due to low order number
4) Discourage private players from participating due to ambiguity about the future of the project
5) Provide space to create propaganda to go for an emergency route to buy foreign mall
6) By the time you come up with FOC, your IOC systems will be declared out-of-date.
7) When your IOC system is declared out of date then you will need a Tejas MK1a
8) You will only order Tejas MK1a when engine manufacturing stopped
9) Now you have ordered virtually 4 types of aircraft out of 40 aircraft.
10) Now you can blame PSUs for slow delivery as the engine is not available

Now again you have reached my point number 1. So basically it has become a cycle.

 

[Blademaster]

what a tragedy


View: https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1876589545468440822

The general failed to mention that no funds were authorized for the order until Manihar Parrikar became DM and asked the IAF why no funds were released to HAL. IAF were playing the blame games with HAL over the Tejas program until MP came along and started kicking asses and demanding results.

Tejas was IAF’s bastard child and received the bastard child treatment. MP made sure that it didn’t get the bastard child treatment.