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Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (56 Viewers)

Intel failures happen. A dozen US soldiers were blown up in a suicide bomb blast while hurriedly leaving Talibanistan. In that case they had Intel too that a blast was possible but the exact location was hard to determine. Simply having intelligence about a possible strike is not enough in a large country like India. Locations are needed. Unless we figure out a way to decrypt all the terrorist’s communications in real time and place moles within terror groups, it is impossible to learn that. Not even Mossad can pull it off. What Mossad does is build surprise measures that kill comms like the pager explosions of Hezbollah. We should have quietly tracked down who built the satcom phones for Porki Army and put some pav kilo atum bum in there.
Definitely, and as defense commentator Shiv Aroor observes( and I am sure many others) we don't always hear of the great successes of Indian security and intelligence in thwarting so many terrorist plots. Or even if we do, we don't remember or appreciate enough. It's only the few 'failures' that are talked about. Questions must be asked, that is for certain, but let's keep a sense of balance.

I remember an article in India Today magazine from the early 2000s, that even back then, Indian security forces had nabbed 400 terrorist cells throughout India. What if even 10 of those 'succeeded', there would have been a large number of deaths.
 
For the people RRing about losing the narrative war:

The military and roach paijaans themselves have provided irrefutable evidence of pakjabi airbases and bachabaazi training centers being hit. And we have a good direction to focus procurement on now. Any serious analyst/ military will know which side was dominant. Even the western losers have no choice but to acknowledge that now.

The inbred raands on the other hand have no choice but to delude their population. Their entire existence is based off of claiming false victories and doing mujra for the quam. They've focused a massive chunk of their efforts on pipth janrashun waarfayre. Not saying info wars are not important, but you can only convince those who have open minds. If we crushed them to the point where no info war could save them (we were pretty close to that), then they would play victim and become darlings of the west, arab and chongs. Theres no winning this info wise. Just keep head down and get to 10tril in economy as quick as possible. 26/11 did not stop companies/indians from investing in india, a battlefield victory for us surely wont either.

We have serious objectives to focus on, trying to get to 10 trillion, semiconductors, indigenous weapons etc - so out strikes will have serious considerations behind them. The average pak faujeet is content with land ownership, DHA plots, gora saheb validation and citizenship, zameendari, importing weapons, bachabaazi, goatfucking and other cousin-enjoying activities. No serious thought for progressing their country. I atually think its a good thing that the military is back with peoples support - a civilian govt, no matter how corrupt might actually start having economically forward ideas.

So to sum it up - we created real detterance. Those who needed to get the message got it. We validated weapons and solidified our direction militarily. and IWT is in the bin for now.

They, on the other hand, did mujra, got strengthened politically and virtually, but violated militarily and in reality. The baloch, pashtuns etc have tasted blood. Pakjabi specialty Mujra is not going to stop them. They have to import more weapons, wheat, money wont be spent on development and no country will want to invest in them now. Every country has seen that we can strike anywhere and everywhere. Chinas CPEC will get obliterated if they try something to get more involved next time.
 

if a rafale actually has been shot down, then the blames rests on the Operational command, keep in mind they actually were told to not engage paki air force and and just bomb those terror bases, it kind of like being told to fight with one arm tied behind your back
 
No Palestine didn't win 😂 There are Israeli bots, content creators, writers being heavily funded working within social media, mainstream media, even telegram consistently peddling their narratives worldwide. They spend heavily on Media. Moreover Israel has achieved things on the ground to see.
Petty politics of Rahul Gandhi/moral victory is way different than winning war/skirmish or even claiming to win it. It will be written in the history books & will have geopolitical implications. You need to counterbalance with proof, narratives even in your worst times. We know what happened but the next generation will probably not. How do you think Congress eliminated Hindu history?
The only thing that matters is that the terror camps have been destroyed. Pakistan can claim victory, but it makes no difference.
 
if a rafale actually has been shot down, then the blames rests on the Operational command, keep in mind they actually were told to not engage paki air force and and just bomb those terror bases, it kind of like being told to fight with one arm tied behind your back
Rafle was shot at whether it was downed or not that's a different thing.
Just like porkies HQ9 system blames goes to the planning and operations only rather than the product itself.

IAF didn't except that porkies will open fire unless they crossed the border hence did not prepare for a2a battle.
On porkies side they just don't have money for later defence
 
The only thing that matters is that the terror camps have been destroyed. Pakistan can claim victory, but it makes no difference.
Life of terrorists isn't worth much, even after 100 killed they will reproduce another 200.
Diverting indus river is far more efficient approach but not sure if government has will to do it
 
The incumbent has many faults, being magnanimous towards pakroaches is not one of them. They have been looking for an excuse to scrap IWT for years now.
Will expanding the existing project be enough though?
We don't have any damages on indus right now, construction of dam doesn't seem possible right now, but a canal or slight diversion will also do the trick.
 
Malaysian media has been trash throughout this conflict.

Perhaps Jaishankar baba needs to look at Malaysia, a software update is required.


View: https://youtu.be/OAoQ8BkvQD0?si=wH5ecRVY4JCkV4ER


Why bother?

India Govt should better look inwards where opposition is openly aligned with pakistan and china rather than worrying about foreign media.

India offers millions of OCIs to ppl who are khalistani, islamists and anti India HINOs
 
Rafle was shot at whether it was downed or not that's a different thing.
Just like porkies HQ9 system blames goes to the planning and operations only rather than the product itself.

IAF didn't except that porkies will open fire unless they crossed the border hence did not prepare for a2a battle.
On porkies side they just don't have money for later defence
Why do you keep claiming that Rafale or for that matter any IAF plane has been shot down? Has the IAF declared that? Tell me , step by step, how it is possible to shoot down the Rafale in a stand off scenario in the Indian skies.
 


China has the most densest AD environment in the world. I am not talking of technical specifications... but the bulk of hardware they can deploy per unit area in comparison to anyone else.

The western tourists were awed by the bulky & visible AD setup they put around the Beijing Olympics village during the 2008 Olympic games. It was first show of power to the westerners.

Unlike us they don't induct systems just to fill the minimum requirements... they buy a significant amount of reserves as well(am not talking of just spare missiles or ammo but entire spare systems)

To read more about Chinese AD... refer "Airpower Australia" website... especially those who want to go to the depth of technical details. Entire ocean is there.
 
Meanwhile Ishaq Dar, foreign minister of Pakistan is getting humiliated in Beijing:-


View: https://x.com/FrontalForce/status/1924444443802837171?t=nMA294NS2AjWAAbIILBFtQ&s=19

No minister came to pick him up, no red carpet, Chinese media is not covering it (just a page 10 report on Global Times).

Reminds me of Sundar visiting Jethalal in Tmkoc.

Uninvited and completely ignored.

I am surprised that this jugaad PAF plane can fly all the way to Beijing, especially with porki grade aviation fuel smuggled in lotas from eeeraaaan. Anyone who flies in that plane will be humiliated. You don’t even need to get down.
 

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