Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (54 Viewers)

CAMM-ER/ Albatros NG is a 40 Km SAM in the same class as the Shtil 1(~50 Km) and HQ 16 (50-70 Km).

It isn't designed to intercept high value targets like the BrahMos and LRAShM. It is meant to free up Aster 30 missiles which ARE rated against Mach 4+ maneuverable targets.

It's a mid range missile to plug gaps in the fleet air defence by frigate and Corvette sized ships.

Our own VLSRSAM is actually better than the CAMM-ER.
Thanks for the information but the discussion was limited to the role of the CAMM - ER in the context of countering the Brahmos.

In any case PN isn't getting the Aster & while the Brahmos may be over kill in case of the PNS Babur sending a sub sonic CM won't cut it IMO.

So either it's the Rudram series as & when it's inducted or any of its Israeli analogues we possess assuming they're developed for sea targets as well.

Else it's the LRAShM or SMART as & when they're inducted. Plenty of options but the CAMM ER has the potential to act as a spoiler.
 
The damage to Markaz Shubhanallah mosque in Pakistan shattered the Islamic psyche of the country—this mosque was the strongest pillar of Islam in Pakistan, even considered a reincarnation of Prophet Mohammad, and its dome was believed to be the head of Allah. The Indian Air Force targeted that very dome. Now, Pakistanis themselves are asking their maulanas—if India can destroy the head of Allah, then what’s stopping them from destroying Pakistan itself?

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The damage to Markaz Shubhanallah mosque in Pakistan shattered the Islamic psyche of the country—this mosque was the strongest pillar of Islam in Pakistan, even considered a reincarnation of Prophet Mohammad, and its dome was believed to be the head of Allah. The Indian Air Force targeted that very dome. Now, Pakistanis themselves are asking their maulanas—if India can destroy the head of Allah, then what’s stopping them from destroying Pakistan itself?

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The dome was the head of Allah??

Truly nothing is original with this cult. Shaktipeetha second copy hai ye Paki Islam religion.
 
PN availability was pretty low as per satellite images. Most of their submarines and surface ships were in dock / dry-dock.

Assume 40% PN ships are unavailable. That will make -
  • 3x Type 54A (defending Karachi)
  • 2x F22P (defending Karachi)
  • 1x Babur (defending Karachi)
  • 1x Alamgir (defending Karachi)
  • 2x Yarmook (defending Karachi)
  • 2x Agosta 90B (trying to sneak in towards CBG)
Additionally,
  • Karachi defended by HQ-9 SAM
  • 24x JF-17s strike party with CM400AKG/YJ83 mix
  • 12x F-16 Blk52+ Escort / CAP
  • 3x P3C Orion ELINT
Try to simulate air attack. First shots fired by India, PAF strike package scrambles after first shots are fired (don't know how much you can simulate).

Agree with @vampyrbladez ORBAT for Indian strike group. Additionally,
  • S-400 at Bhuj
  • 4x Su-30MKI CAPs over Gujarat (will assist in BVR battle)
  • 12x Jaguar Strike Package with Harpoon (attacks PN ships).
Hopefully it doesn't melts your computer :D
We had the opportunity to delete half of their Navy sad it didn't happen. Bas 2-3 missiles dagna thha dock pe
 

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The order had to come from some officer in GoI. Fire that bozo sucking up to Porkies.


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What's the benefit when they run in to save their Porkie whore?
 
Have you included land based awacs on both sides?
Our awacs will provide data to both airforce and naval jets.
Yes 1 EMB-145 and 1 saab2000

This is result from this scenario
SIDE: INDIA
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LOSSES:
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5x MiG-29K Fulcrum D
1x MQ-9B SeaGuardian UAV


EXPENDITURES:
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18x 23mm ZSU-23-4 Shilka Burst [50 rnds]
24x 40mm/70 Single Bofors Burst [4 rnds, Flycatcher Mk1 FCR]
1x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
33x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
22x AGM-84L Harpoon II
1x AIM-132A ASRAAM
12x Akash
28x AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35U Star]
12x Astra Mk1
83x Barak 8
2x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
3x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
52x PJ-10 BrahMos
12x PJ-10 BrahMos
15x PJ-10 BrahMos Blk II [Land-Attack]
17x PJ-10 BrahMos-A
9x Python 5 [SPYDER-MR]
34x Rampage
96x SA-21a Growler [48N6DM]
61x SA-N-12 Grizzly [9M317]
18x SA-N-7 Gadfly [9M38]
6x SS-N-27 Sizzler [3M54E1 Klub]



SIDE: PAK
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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2x 30mm China LD-2000 [Type 730]
1x AvGas Tank Farm (40 x 75k Liter Tank)
4x F 251 Zulfiquar [F-22P Class, Mod Type 053H3 Jiangwei II]
1x F 260 Alamgir [Perry Class]
2x F 280 Babur [Ada Class]
4x FFG 261 Tughril [Type 054A/P Jiangkai II]
6x HQ-9B TEL
3x HQ-9B TEL
2x JF-17C Thunder Blk 3 [FC-1]
1x Radar (China JY-27A)
2x Sky Sabre [Land Ceptor]
1x Structure (Pier [Small (11.1-17m) x 1])
1x Structure (Pier [Very Large (45.1-200m) x 2])
1x Vehicle (China HT-233)
1x Vehicle (China Type 280)


EXPENDITURES:
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23x 30mm China H/PJ-12 [Type 730, 240 rnds]
13x 35mm Twin Oerlikon KDC-02 Burst [20 rnds]
6x 76mm/62 Super Rapido HE Burst [2 rnds]
4x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2
24x CAMM-ER
40x CM-400Akg Wrecker [ASM, YJ-12 Derivative]
14x CSS-N-8 Saccade [YJ-83K]
27x Generic Chaff Rocket
2x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
16x Hatf 7 [700kg HE Conventional, Babur]
115x HQ-16A [SA-17 Semi-Copy]
6x HQ-7 Crotale [FM-80] Naval
108x HQ-9B
16x HQ-9C
2x Mk214 Sea Gnat Chaff [Seduction]
4x Mk234 Nulka
1x PL-9
6x PL-15E
26x Sky Sabre [Land Ceptor]
- HQ9BE was not available so gave them HQ9B, which performed better than I expected and scored multiple MIG-29K and a UAV kill. MIG29K only had R77 in this simulation, it was subpar v/s AIM120C5 and P15E.
- MIG-29K tried to challenge first PAF counter attack but 2 of them were shot down (1 by PL-15E and 1 by AIM-120C5). Rest were shot down by HQ9B during initial defense and later Rampage attacks. I avoided defense by MIG-29K subsequently and let PAF launch their volleys.
- 12x Jaguar were used too and none were downed/damaged. Harpoon claimed 2x ships.
- SU30MKI were used for CAP and Brahmos.
- Klubs (ship launched) and KH-35 were not that effective. But they were heavily used in the first volley. They got depleted and were not really available for later rounds.
- 1 Brahmos block-2 IA SSM regiment (total 15 missiles) around Bhuj and it targeted Karachi port and refinery. It destroyed the refinery and there was 1 hit on pier/port.
- 1 Babur SSM regiment (total 16 missiles) SSM regiment was placed around Karachi. It launched all 16 missiles at Jamnagar refinery. Made it past S400 which didn't launch on it, all 16 missiles were intercepted (most of them close to Jamnagar) by AD guns & Spider SAM (python 5) placed next to refinery and Akash (from Jamnagar Airbase) to a limited extent.
- Both IAF and PAF used AAM missiles to shoot down subsonic missiles like Babur & KH35.
- IN opening volley was not as effective as I would have thought. There was no surprise as Pakistan MPAs and AEW&CS (also ELINT) detected launches pretty quickly. Quite a bit of interceptions happened in the first round and only 1 PN ship was sunk in this. It was the second round and later where more and more brahmos started leaking through and sinking ships.
- Submarine units were added but I wasn't able to make them launch anti-ship or land attack missiles.
- IN MH60R were performing ASW operations.
- KA31 AEW was effective

Conclusion
- PN surface fleet sunk
- Karachi port destroyed
- Ormara port hit and likely destroyed (I messed up by not setting medium/large pier size)
- Karachi refinery destroyed
- Karachi HQ9B regiment destroyed
- Hits on Karachi and Bholari airbases. Was not able to launch Rampages on Pasni as MIG29K didn't have enough fuel range.
- IN CBG and SAGs were able to intercept all threats. Still have around 40% of Barak8/MRSAM left.
- In terms of terminal velocity:
Brahmos = 2.175 mach at tree top level
CM400 = 2.4 mach when diving down (not ideal flight profile for Ashm, it is more akin to KH22)



This was the setup
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So some corrupt babu got bribe to restore the accounts.


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Need to check the money trail I am sure entire network will be exposed.
 
Yes 1 EMB-145 and 1 saab2000

This is result from this scenario

- HQ9BE was not available so gave them HQ9B, which performed better than I expected and scored multiple MIG-29K and a UAV kill. MIG29K only had R77 in this simulation, it was subpar v/s AIM120C5 and P15E.
- MIG-29K tried to challenge first PAF counter attack but 2 of them were shot down (1 by PL-15E and 1 by AIM-120C5). Rest were shot down by HQ9B during initial defense and later Rampage attacks. I avoided defense by MIG-29K subsequently and let PAF launch their volleys.
- 12x Jaguar were used too and none were downed/damaged. Harpoon claimed 2x ships.
- SU30MKI were used for CAP and Brahmos.
- Klubs (ship launched) and KH-35 were not that effective. But they were heavily used in the first volley. They got depleted and were not really available for later rounds.
- 1 Brahmos block-2 IA SSM regiment (total 15 missiles) around Bhuj and it targeted Karachi port and refinery. It destroyed the refinery and there was 1 hit on pier/port.
- 1 Babur SSM regiment (total 16 missiles) SSM regiment was placed around Karachi. It launched all 16 missiles at Jamnagar refinery. Made it past S400 which didn't launch on it, all 16 missiles were intercepted (most of them close to Jamnagar) by AD guns & Spider SAM (python 5) placed next to refinery and Akash (from Jamnagar Airbase) to a limited extent.
- Both IAF and PAF used AAM missiles to shoot down subsonic missiles like Babur & KH35.
- IN opening volley was not as effective as I would have thought. There was no surprise as Pakistan MPAs and AEW&CS (also ELINT) detected launches pretty quickly. Quite a bit of interceptions happened in the first round and only 1 PN ship was sunk in this. It was the second round and later where more and more brahmos started leaking through and sinking ships.
- Submarine units were added but I wasn't able to make them launch anti-ship or land attack missiles.
- IN MH60R were performing ASW operations.
- KA31 AEW was effective

Conclusion
- PN surface fleet sunk
- Karachi port destroyed
- Ormara port hit and likely destroyed (I messed up by not setting medium pier size)
- Karachi refinery destroyed
- Karachi HQ9B regiment destroyed
- Hits on Karachi and Bholari airbases. Was not able to launch Rampages on Pasni as MIG29K didn't have enough fuel range.
- IN CBG and SAGs were able to intercept all threats. Still have around 40% of Barak8/MRSAM left.
- In terms of terminal velocity:
Brahmos = 2.175 mach at tree top level
CM400 = 2.4 mach when diving down (not ideal flight profile for Ashm, it is more akin to KH22)



This was the setup
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sounds realistic, no over hyping any's system's capability or undermining.

But again, in the simulation both sides were completely prepared and fully ready to face each other.
 

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Have you included land based awacs on both sides?
Our awacs will provide data to both airforce and naval jets.

IMO Ka - 31 AEW will act as AWACS

Yes 1 EMB-145 and 1 saab2000

This is result from this scenario

- HQ9BE was not available so gave them HQ9B, which performed better than I expected and scored multiple MIG-29K and a UAV kill. MIG29K only had R77 in this simulation, it was subpar v/s AIM120C5 and P15E.
- MIG-29K tried to challenge first PAF counter attack but 2 of them were shot down (1 by PL-15E and 1 by AIM-120C5). Rest were shot down by HQ9B during initial defense and later Rampage attacks. I avoided defense by MIG-29K subsequently and let PAF launch their volleys.
- 12x Jaguar were used too and none were downed/damaged. Harpoon claimed 2x ships.
- SU30MKI were used for CAP and Brahmos.
- Klubs (ship launched) and KH-35 were not that effective. But they were heavily used in the first volley. They got depleted and were not really available for later rounds.
- 1 Brahmos block-2 IA SSM regiment (total 15 missiles) around Bhuj and it targeted Karachi port and refinery. It destroyed the refinery and there was 1 hit on pier/port.
- 1 Babur SSM regiment (total 16 missiles) SSM regiment was placed around Karachi. It launched all 16 missiles at Jamnagar refinery. Made it past S400 which didn't launch on it, all 16 missiles were intercepted (most of them close to Jamnagar) by AD guns & Spider SAM (python 5) placed next to refinery and Akash (from Jamnagar Airbase) to a limited extent.
- Both IAF and PAF used AAM missiles to shoot down subsonic missiles like Babur & KH35.
- IN opening volley was not as effective as I would have thought. There was no surprise as Pakistan MPAs and AEW&CS (also ELINT) detected launches pretty quickly. Quite a bit of interceptions happened in the first round and only 1 PN ship was sunk in this. It was the second round and later where more and more brahmos started leaking through and sinking ships.
- Submarine units were added but I wasn't able to make them launch anti-ship or land attack missiles.
- IN MH60R were performing ASW operations.
- KA31 AEW was effective

Conclusion
- PN surface fleet sunk
- Karachi port destroyed
- Ormara port hit and likely destroyed (I messed up by not setting medium/large pier size)
- Karachi refinery destroyed
- Karachi HQ9B regiment destroyed
- Hits on Karachi and Bholari airbases. Was not able to launch Rampages on Pasni as MIG29K didn't have enough fuel range.
- IN CBG and SAGs were able to intercept all threats. Still have around 40% of Barak8/MRSAM left.
- In terms of terminal velocity:
Brahmos = 2.175 mach at tree top level
CM400 = 2.4 mach when diving down (not ideal flight profile for Ashm, it is more akin to KH22)



This was the setup
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Pretty realistic expectations honestly. This is exactly what we could have expected if the Naval war started.

Mig-29K with R77 are at disadvantage vs. PL-15s and Amraams. HQ-9 over open seas is deadly. No PN ships will be left intact.

I expected 1-2 of our ships being hit by AShMs, but overall its almost 90% accurate in my opinion.
 
IMO Ka - 31 AEW will act as AWACS



Pretty realistic expectations honestly. This is exactly what we could have expected if the Naval war started.

Mig-29K with R77 are at disadvantage vs. PL-15s and Amraams. HQ-9 over open seas is deadly. No PN ships will be left intact.

I expected 1-2 of our ships being hit by AShMs, but overall its almost 90% accurate in my opinion.

Can this combo be used to shoot down enemy AShMs?
 
Yeah.
It also did in the simulation.
***Both IAF and PAF used AAM missiles to shoot down subsonic missiles like Babur & KH35.***

For supersonic missiles like their CM400 are fighter jet's missiles enough or are we dependent on Barak8/Shtil-1 only
 
As of now they have only one ship that has those missiles, the PNS Babur corvette
It has a VLS for 12 missiles onlee.

Meanwhile, on the other side
KITNE BRAHMOS MAROGE? HAR JAHAZ SE BRAHMOS NIKLEGA!
In any future war with Porkistan's Fauji foundation, BRAHMOS-maxxing might be the way to do it from the start. Also , LRAshM & hypersonic missiles should be tested too.
 
In any future war with Porkistan's Fauji foundation, BRAHMOS-maxxing might be the way to do it from the start. Also , LRAshM & hypersonic missiles should be tested too.
Brahmos speed can be increased to 4.5 mach as per this article.Even russia is increasing the range and speed of its onyx.

 

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