Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (86 Viewers)

[Ajatshatru]

Frankly as bad as the babus are, I'm more worried about BJP losing in '29 and someone like Pappu becoming PM.

That will mean return to the late 2000s with regular blasts across the country.

No government after Narendra Modi will be able to reverse the precedent set by Narendra Modi. Any government that comes to power will be compelled to respond even more aggressively than Modi in the event of a terrorist attack on India.

 

[shade2]

No government after Narendra Modi will be able to reverse the precedent set by Narendra Modi. Any government that comes to power will be compelled to respond even more aggressively than Modi in the event of a terrorist attack on India.

Easy for you to say as a Nepali.
I don't want to risk the country to pic related



It will be much worse than ever before in the country's history, greens will be out of control, the whole nation will be like Mamta's Bengal, poor, socialist, infested with gundas and greens being extra green

 

[redpanda]

Easy for you to say as a Nepali.
I don't want to risk the country to pic related

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It will be much worse than ever before in the country's history, greens will be out of control, the whole nation will be like Mamta's Bengal, poor, socialist, infested with gundas and greens being extra green

Are kya bat karte ho shade ji? Humare prince Rahul ji ka apmaan nahi sahega Hindustaan

 

[shade2]

In any future war with Porkistan's Fauji foundation, BRAHMOS-maxxing might be the way to do it from the start. Also , LRAshM & hypersonic missiles should be tested too.

It's the obvious choice, all 3 forces use them,

Navy is pretty much only, Talwar, Shivalik, Nilgiri, Kolkata, Vizag all these ship classes run it.

Airforce can fire from Su30

Army has 3x missile carrying TELs

 

[vampyrbladez]

Yes 1 EMB-145 and 1 saab2000

This is result from this scenario

- HQ9BE was not available so gave them HQ9B, which performed better than I expected and scored multiple MIG-29K and a UAV kill. MIG29K only had R77 in this simulation, it was subpar v/s AIM120C5 and P15E.
- MIG-29K tried to challenge first PAF counter attack but 2 of them were shot down (1 by PL-15E and 1 by AIM-120C5). Rest were shot down by HQ9B during initial defense and later Rampage attacks. I avoided defense by MIG-29K subsequently and let PAF launch their volleys.
- 12x Jaguar were used too and none were downed/damaged. Harpoon claimed 2x ships.
- SU30MKI were used for CAP and .
- Klubs (ship launched) and KH-35 were not that effective. But they were heavily used in the first volley. They got depleted and were not really available for later rounds.
- 1 block-2 IA SSM regiment (total 15 missiles) around Bhuj and it targeted Karachi port and refinery. It destroyed the refinery and there was 1 hit on pier/port.
- 1 Babur SSM regiment (total 16 missiles) SSM regiment was placed around Karachi. It launched all 16 missiles at Jamnagar refinery. Made it past S400 which didn't launch on it, all 16 missiles were intercepted (most of them close to Jamnagar) by AD guns & Spider SAM (python 5) placed next to refinery and Akash (from Jamnagar Airbase) to a limited extent.
- Both IAF and PAF used AAM missiles to shoot down subsonic missiles like Babur & KH35.
- IN opening volley was not as effective as I would have thought. There was no surprise as Pakistan MPAs and AEW&CS (also ELINT) detected launches pretty quickly. Quite a bit of interceptions happened in the first round and only 1 PN ship was sunk in this. It was the second round and later where more and more brahmos started leaking through and sinking ships.
- Submarine units were added but I wasn't able to make them launch anti-ship or land attack missiles.
- IN MH60R were performing ASW operations.
- KA31 AEW was effective

Conclusion
- PN surface fleet sunk
- Karachi port destroyed
- Ormara port hit and likely destroyed (I messed up by not setting medium/large pier size)
- Karachi refinery destroyed
- Karachi HQ9B regiment destroyed
- Hits on Karachi and Bholari airbases. Was not able to launch Rampages on Pasni as MIG29K didn't have enough fuel range.
- IN CBG and SAGs were able to intercept all threats. Still have around 40% of Barak8/MRSAM left.
- In terms of terminal velocity:
= 2.175 mach at tree top level
CM400 = 2.4 mach when diving down (not ideal flight profile for Ashm, it is more akin to KH22)



This was the setup
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What about the 2 x Agosta 90B submarines that were in service during that time?

How were they tracked and contained/neutralized?

 

[shade2]

So no Su57, then what's our plan?

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Anyway for the next 5-10 years they are going to do drama of "Onleee AMCA saar" while giving the program peanuts for budget and peanuts for orders.
The user will pitch in from their side with the usual, you can see the Tejas saga and know what to expect

There will be then crying over muh deelays, then were will be the ((( need ))) to import 5th gen fighter

Then a princely sum of 36 F35s will be imported in the late 2030, US will impose all kinds of T&C, let your imagination run wild.

They won't import Su-57 because CAATSA and khauf of the Orange Man, meanwhile the same orange bastard will not sell us F35 directly but demand we buy F16/F15 first.

idk why people think we're getting su-57, it's not even a 5th gen fighter.

 

[Brimstone]

Pakistan has aim120c varient which has max range of 100+km.
Same as astra mk1.

Us has also developed aim120d( not with pakistan) max range 160+km.
Similar to astra mk2.

Pl15 e with Pakistan has max range of 145km.
Less than astra mk2.

Chinese pl15 has max range 180-200km.

Those, 200+, 300 km claims are bogus.

That too when they are launched from optimal altitude at optimal speed while chasing head on.
During real combat scenario, you don't get ideal conditions.
That's why max range is a bullshit spec. Always check speed, tail chase range and No Escape Zone.

 

[craigs]

After receiving backlash from their own supporters, bjp government is lying to save their face.There's no time bound rule in banning accounts. Zaid Hamid account is banned for more than 5 years.

Could be that there are many "Congressiya" babus still in govt trying to sabotage it by being deliberately sloppy? Only eternal vigilance (like in this case) will prevent things like this.

 

[shade2]

Could be that there are many "Congressiya" babus still in govt trying to sabotage it by being deliberately sloppy? Only eternal vigilance (like in this case) will prevent things like this.

The organization is "Congressiya" in nature onleee saar, that's their institutional character

When they screech "sarkar tumarhi hai par system hamara hai" it's not some empty jhumla.

However the executive is not totally helpless, otherwise we wouldn't have Op Sindoor in the first place.

 

[randombully]

That too when they are launched from optimal altitude at optimal speed while chasing head on.
During real combat scenario, you don't get ideal conditions.
That's why max range is a bullshit spec. Always check speed, tail chase range and No Escape Zone.

All modern air to air missile exceed mach 4+ in top speed, some going hypersonic in top speed.
In "general" more max range means more tail chasing range and bigger no escape zone.
Though ramjet powered missiles like meteor do somewhat complicates this

 

[neelaslayer]

View: https://x.com/Indian_Analyzer/status/1940784554735960128?t=T8Z38MqI4udT3eSpuANxig&s=19

 

[fire starter]

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View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1940805127071584330?t=lsO4nf0D4pnB4KRHquAkCg&s=19

 

[Selvam91]

Pakistan has aim120c varient which has max range of 100+km.
Same as astra mk1.

Us has also developed aim120d( not with pakistan) max range 160+km.
Similar to astra mk2.

Pl15 e with Pakistan has max range of 145km.
Less than astra mk2.

Chinese pl15 has max range 180-200km.

Those, 200+, 300 km claims are bogus.

If we want to improve, We have to accept our deficiencies. Both 2019,2025 air battles with Pakistanis only Paki Air to air missiles(AIM 120,PL15) are seen in action(with success),our air to air missiles are nowhere seen.

 

[shade2]

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View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1940805127071584330?t=lsO4nf0D4pnB4KRHquAkCg&s=19

The source may be this Twitterwala's ass we all know, but this is entirely plausible since they expect some masti from Assim Muneera's end.

Govt wants to desperately avoid having to wrestle this pig country and only focus on ekanami and industry.

Therefore all your name brand mantris including the Leaderji himself make public threats, and ofc threats in private to countries ((( friendly ))) with both us and piggies.

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/PrastallionX/status/1940661828482215942

Kuch bhi ho thank god public outrage fixes all these Secular Slips as it were.

If it wasn't Bhajipao/Modi and Clown Prince's party there wouldn't even be public outrage

 

[mist_consecutive]

Frankly as bad as the babus are, I'm more worried about BJP losing in '29 and someone like Pappu becoming PM.

That will mean return to the late 2000s with regular blasts across the country.

BJP has completely failed IAF in its last 11 years. Piecemeal orders are also something which BJP invented.

Pappu is a Vatican agent. Those 120+ F-35s we will get will make sure Choinese stay the fcuk away.
Yeah my daughter gonna probably be lesbian but at least she won’t be captured and sold to Islamists and Chinese.

 

[notaname]

BJP has completely failed IAF in its last 11 years. Piecemeal orders are also something which BJP invented.

Pappu is a Vatican agent. Those 120+ F-35s we will get will make sure Choinese stay the fcuk away.
Yeah my daughter gonna probably be lesbian but at least she won’t be captured and sold to Islamists and Chinese.

This you sure? Not debating or defending BJP or anyone but on realistic scale goras are not able to save their own lesbian daughter's from Islamists what makes you sure about them saving yours? Congress is anything but Hindu, they have deviated so much from Hindus that whatever they do or think will always be in support of Islamists.

 

[redpanda]

BJP has completely failed IAF in its last 11 years. Piecemeal orders are also something which BJP invented.

Pappu is a Vatican agent. Those 120+ F-35s we will get will make sure Choinese stay the fcuk away.
Yeah my daughter gonna probably be lesbian but at least she won’t be captured and sold to Islamists and Chinese.

Mist Dada. We are not getting F-35 even with the Pappu-et leader. Wake up from dream about 120+ F-35s and drink water. All we will have is more Bofors and MRCA hangama. Under UPA it's not like foreign procurement were superfast. Just look at the delays in MRCA, Vikramaditya, AgustaWestland scandal, etc. This government atleast fast-tracked the Rafale purchase. And atleast brought a comprise between IAF and HAL to give a lifeline to Tejas under Parikar. Otherwise Tejas was in eternal limbo under previous government. They also tried bringing reforms to defence sector as whole which has helped IAF as well with DAP 2016, DAP 2020, etc. The private drone manufacturing industry didn't came out of thin air. While yes this government certainly has failed to solve many problems of IAF, it certainly hasn't been as worse as UPA.

 

[IRDefense]

We ought to strike them again and set their airforce back by another 10-20 years, leaving no scope of either building an AD network or procuring 5th Gen fighters.

Just use the cover of "Op Sindoor is still on", strike a few terrorist bases, and use that pretext to also wipe out PAF. Let them take a few decades to recover.

If any MoD guys are listening: this will guarantee you a promotion and cash benefits (both white and black). you should do it within this month so that Q2 performance review can be started on a strong note!

I garuntee it will most certainly not happen, even when there was enormous pressure and will to strike pakistan, Indian govt. chose to only target terror camps risking IAF assets with a disadvantageous ROE & no SEAD/DEAD.

W/O another tigger no such action will take place. While the initial SEAD tactis were pretty bad, I think the right move is not to escalate now, India is at a cross roads economically, its make or break. India either goes the China route or remains medicore nation for a long time. India needs to bide its time if it needs to ensure the prosperity of its people & not get bogged down in long wars with bikharistan. It is a trap.

 

[DancingPeacock]

I garuntee it will most certainly not happen, even when there was enormous pressure and will to strike pakistan, Indian govt. chose to only target terror camps risking IAF assets with a disadvantageous ROE & no SEAD/DEAD.

W/O another tigger no such action will take place. While the initial SEAD tactis were pretty bad, I think the right move is not to escalate now, India is at a cross roads economically, its make or break. India either goes the China route or remains medicore nation for a long time. India needs to bide its time if it needs to ensure the prosperity of its people & not get bogged down in long wars with bikharistan. It is a trap.

What bide your time? See we need to put cost on Lumber1 that any misadventure would cost them more than just staying silent. Things shouldn't escalate to point it where its optimized to sit between Inaction and Skirmish. Biding you time doesn't work out when you have monthly terror attack. You need to strike their AF bases to take out their planes every now and then.