Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (80 Viewers)

[ezsasa]

Vice Chief said nothing wrong. There is a pattern of how things go in the government's communication vis-à-vis China.
Whenever China is named or is pointed out, comes a "fact check" soon, from the government itself which need not be a debunking anything, but providing a layer of ambiguity to the Chinese, after they've been named.

any other instance in mind,

let's see if there is some logic we can infer.

 

[redpanda]

This is what will happen I predict -

• Pakistan backed by US & China will conduct a massive terror attack.
• Pakistan will initiate pre-emptive strike on our airbases and military infra to "deter" a retaliation from us.
• Trump quickly jumps in and calls for ceasefire, else... !
• We don't listen, continue the campaign, but face steep losses. America and China are helping Pakistan with ELINT and weapons.
• Get slapped by economic sanctions, begrugingly accept ceasefire after ~2 weeks of stalemate.
• Opposition use this to defame Modi. Might be end of BJP rule.
• DFB fanboys larp "Yeah at least we are independent saar ! See Pakistan is puppet ! Everyone hates us because we are brown, no one wants to be our friends saar !"

So what exactly do you want? That we roll over, wag our tails, and obey every American command like loyal little pets? You're an admin, sure, but it's honestly disappointing how consistently you've been pushing this submissive nonsense. Tell me, what should we do if the US tells us not to retaliate against Pakistan after a terrorist attack? Bow our heads and say, "Yes sir, we’ll take another slap please, just don’t sanction us!"

We already have absurdly restrictive Rules of Engagement, thanks in large part to Western hand-holding and this obsessive need to be the "good boys" in the eyes of the so-called international community. If you truly believe that sucking up to Uncle Sam will help us against Pakistan or better yet, China, then you’re dreaming. Yes sir, the great saviour America will surely ride in and rescue us. Just like they've done all these decades, right?

Let’s be real. This idea that restraint and moral posturing will save us is a relic of the Manmohan era. I lived through that time. Even in my small town in eastern India, there were bomb blasts. And what did we do? Sent dossiers and pleaded for sympathy while Pakistan laughed and planned the next attack.

And now, after we finally grew a spine and took real action, you’re upset we may have offended Washington? Spare me. If doing the right thing pisses off the US, so be it. We’re not here to please the white master anymore. If standing up for our people, our soldiers, and our sovereignty is seen as a problem by you or by America, then perhaps it's your worldview, not ours, that’s stuck in colonial hangover.

So go ahead, ban me if that hurts your conscience. But don’t pretend that subservience is strategy. It’s cowardice dressed up in diplomacy.

 

[shade2]

Intelligence during wartime no matter from what credible source needs the ability to prosecute a counter in order to use it properly.

No matter how much ELINT or whatever Pakis get, they can't stop us from doing whatever the fuvk we have done last time. Air defense takes years to build and train the manpower.

Sanctions will be the best thing that will happen to India. Allows us to develop MIC because UN genrols and air Marshall's will have no option but to invest themselves in our MIC. We will also be given a God sent opportunity to straighten out the internal situation with a massive clean up.

If you think a BJP that started a war after Paki attacks would lose an election, clearly you know nothing about Indian politics.

They will remove whatever Sanctions if any in 2-3 years, but they will have to literally fall on our feet with roses in mouth for the west to get back to any position that they had before vis-a-vis economic access to India.

Again, you keep whining a lot that we are too independent, but you don't give any solutions or roadmaps to solve this. What do you propose we do ? Like actual solutions at the policy level?

Again, you might not be having safeguarding our Cultural and religious identity as a priority but a lot of us do and will judge the govt and the foreign policy they adapt based in that metric.

So, give me something concrete here, not gyan.

He's a smart guy otherwise but when shilling for his favorite country he makes the most shallow and simplistic arguments

He thinks we bendover to the US and immediately we get F-16V, F-15EX, F-35, E-7 AWACS and all such good sht including the AIM-120, AGM-88 and whatever else, China eternally BTFO and never tries to attack us.

Obviously he does CHYNA! but forgets about the US Ally that sponsors terror attacks against us.

Which is why i think he does this shilling for the explicit purpose of spicing up the conversation.

 

[randombully]

This is what will happen I predict -

Kindly don't.
There ain't gonna be any sanctions whatsoever.
Uncle Sam's only gonna observe pakis getting obliterated while only providing words of relief to them.

 

[shade2]

Kindly don't.
There ain't gonna be any sanctions whatsoever.
Uncle Sam's only gonna observe pakis getting obliterated while only providing words of relief to them.

If there are, they will be removed in a few months or a year.
Post Tiananmen Square massacre the sanctions on China were removed within 2 years

The Arms Embargo stayed.

Which would be a good thing for us, many wails would come out of ((( chandigarh ))) over an arms embargo

 

[Numero]

View: https://x.com/clary_co/status/1942617766906990758

Even the official statements from Dassault is fake to them
Ironically a military controlled pedo cultist nation is talking about media freedom & brainwashing Lmao

 

[redpanda]

He's a smart guy otherwise but when shilling for his favorite country he makes the most shallow and simplistic arguments

He thinks we bendover to the US and immediately we get F-16V, F-15EX, F-35, E-7 AWACS and all such good sht including the AIM-120, AGM-88 and whatever else, China eternally BTFO and never tries to attack us.

Obviously he does CHYNA! but forgets about the US Ally that sponsors terror attacks against us.

Which is why i think he does this shilling for the explicit purpose of spicing up the conversation.

He truly thinks white masta US will come with their eagles to protect us against Choyna. But perhaps he doesn't know the track record of American exploitation in their protectorate. And nothing stop America from turn us into the next Ukraine. He thinks America will shower us with imported toys and make us strong militarily but nothing stop them from only giving us few simple toys to keep us happy go lucky on purpose to keep the Chinese threat a credible threat. And for our body count to go up high. So that they can use us like Ukraine..

He has a lot of fear of choyna coming choyna coming... basically he is blackpilled that choyna will btfo us..and he sees that only white masta US can save us. I won't say his worries are unfounded. His worries are genuine. However he is overthinking. And he is entitled to his opinion but I think he is betting too much on USA.

 

[ezsasa]

Reflections from India: Strategy, Resolve, and the Shape of Modern War
John Spencer

I’ve just returned from an extremely informative trip to India, where I had the privilege of meeting with senior military leaders, both active and retired, along with political officials, strategic thinkers, defense innovators, and some of the country’s most seasoned national security journalists. What I saw and heard underscored not just how far India has come, but how deliberately it is shaping its future.

From the Indian Army’s Director General of Military Operations to veteran generals, from the Ministry of External Affairs team to top diplomats and defense tech entrepreneurs, the message was consistent: the old assumptions about India’s strategic posture no longer apply. The country is transforming in doctrine, technology, and geopolitical outlook.

At the center of many conversations was Operation Sindoor, India’s military response to the April 22 Pahalgam massacre. Leaders described it not just as a counterterror operation, but as a strategic turning point. I spoke at length with the officers who planned and executed the operation. They emphasized the extent of India’s preparation, including months of wargaming, real-time intelligence fusion, and pre-positioned air defense and artillery assets.

The operation demonstrated India's shift from a reactive posture to a proactive, precision-oriented doctrine. Seven of the nine terrorist targets were struck using long-range fires from the Army rather than airstrikes, including loitering munitions and rocket artillery. Counter-drone technology played a key role, with integrated use of radar, jammers, and both kinetic and soft-kill systems to neutralize incoming threats. Real-time battle damage assessments were enabled by persistent ISR from satellites and human intelligence. I was briefed on how even legacy systems, like L-70 guns, were effectively combined with modern platforms to create layered defenses. The integration of kinetic force with narrative control was deliberate. What stood out was the clarity and firmness of India’s red lines. Every terrorist attack will receive a military response. There will be no distinction between the attacker and those who support or harbor them.

Beyond the battlefield, India is reshaping its national security ecosystem. Defense innovation is no longer confined to government labs. Private companies, including many driven by young engineers and entrepreneurs, are building and fielding autonomous systems across air, land, and sea. The defense-industrial push under Make in India is producing results. From loitering munitions to GPS-independent drones to integrated air defense, India is demonstrating increasing self-reliance in key capabilities.

Regarding Kashmir, I heard how a region once synonymous with conflict is now seeing investment, tourism, and record infrastructure development. Officials acknowledged the persistent challenges, including infiltration attempts, disinformation campaigns, and international narratives that often downplay the role of cross-border terrorism. But they also highlighted growing democratic participation, religious pluralism, and a rejection of extremist violence by local communities.

The conversations I had covered a wide range of subjects: airpower, deterrence, counterterrorism, information warfare, supply chain security, semiconductors, and the future of space and cyber operations. But across all of them was a consistent theme. India is preparing for the next war while working to protect the peace it is building at home.

I’ll be writing more in the weeks ahead. There is much to unpack. But one thing is clear. The India I saw is not waiting for recognition. It is asserting itself. It is planning, modernizing, and executing with focus. For anyone interested in the future of conflict, deterrence, and democratic resilience, this is a country to watch.​

View: https://x.com/SpencerGuard/status/1942577875078590941

 

[redpanda]

Why are you so confident may i ask?

Because doing so they will lose an important pillar to contain China. It will push us to reconcile with China. Maybe force us to go towards BRICS. The last thing they want is a neutral or friendly India towards China. So what they will do is not a sanction but covert bullying. They will harass some of our industry, mess around with us in trade (like in WTO) , harass our Pharma companies, etc.

 

[Cheepek]

any other instance in mind,

let's see if there is some logic we can infer.

Sure

The Tribune Exclusive : Talks on restoring patrols at Depsang hit roadblock - The Tribune

Chinese military ‘drags feet’ over finalising routes, distance.

www.tribuneindia.com

View: https://x.com/adgpi/status/1854444825749405987?t=Rrn9XC0Ro-JpYPG8U9nPHA&s=19

 

[shade2]

He truly thinks white masta US will come with their eagles to protect us against Choyna. But perhaps he doesn't know the track record of American exploitation in their protectorate. And nothing stop America from turn us into the next Ukraine. He thinks America will shower us with imported toys and make us strong militarily but nothing stop them from only giving us few simple toys to keep us happy go lucky on purpose to keep the Chinese threat a credible threat. And for our body count to go up high. So that they can use us like Ukraine..

He has a lot of fear of choyna coming choyna coming... basically he is blackpilled that choyna will btfo us..and he sees that only white masta US can save us. I won't say his worries are unfounded. His worries are genuine. However he is overthinking. And he is entitled to his opinion but I think he is betting too much on USA.

What will happen is we'll become a US "vassal" get none of the fancy imported toys( maybe some F16Vs with AIM-120, Finally! WAOW! ) and then the Chings will attack us since we are a definite threat to them.

Modi will be the next Zelensky going to world capitals to beg for armaments.

Our future will be die on the Himalayas trying to fight off these Chings, who will also be depleted enough to not take Taiwan.

Ironically there is a faction in PLA/CCP that wants exactly this, war with India "first", while Xi allegedly wants to focus on the big Taiwan anschluss.

 

[redpanda]

What will happen is we'll become a US "vassal" get none of the fancy imported toys( maybe some F16Vs with AIM-120, Finally! WAOW! ) and then the Chings will attack us since we are a definite threat to them.

Modi will be the next Zelensky going to world capitals to beg for armaments.

Our future will be die on the Himalayas trying to fight off these Chings, who will also be depleted enough to not take Taiwan.

Ironically there is a faction in PLA/CCP that wants exactly this, war with India "first", while Xi allegedly wants to focus on the big Taiwan anschluss.

A simple correction this won't happen in Modi's tenure. It will happen under Indian Zelensky's tenure, Shri Shri Pappueshwar Maharajadhiraj Raul Vinci The First. Modi will get regime changed in either 2029 or 2034. Raul Vinci will become the PM eventually.

Eventually I too expect us to bow down and become a vassaldom of US. Then you will see how Pakistan will come do all its antic infront of our face. And we will be stuck playing dossier dossier again because Uncle Sam don't want nookleaer war. And people who support this subservience to US, would be coping how this precisely will help us against 10 feet tall choyna man. Just like how SK folks cope even though NK has even bombed them a few times in last few years.

 

[ezsasa]

Sure

The Tribune Exclusive : Talks on restoring patrols at Depsang hit roadblock - The Tribune

Chinese military ‘drags feet’ over finalising routes, distance.

www.tribuneindia.com

View: https://x.com/adgpi/status/1854444825749405987?t=Rrn9XC0Ro-JpYPG8U9nPHA&s=19

this particular communication between the two, falls under this category.
IA is not ready to divulge more info than what they deem necessary. this is fine in my books.

FYI, military does not serve the gormint, they serve the Indian state, The president is their commander in chief. administrative matters are handled by gormint on behalf of the president.

Indian military is under no obligation to make anything public, public is on need to know basis on matters related to military, only to the extent of info they want to make public.

 

[shade2]

A simple correction this won't happen in Modi's tenure. It will happen under Indian Zelensky's tenure, Shri Shri Pappueshwar Maharajadhiraj Raul Vinci The First. Modi will get regime changed in either 2029 or 2034. Raul Vinci will become the PM eventually.

Eventually I too expect us to bow down and become a vassaldom of US. Then you will see how Pakistan will come do all its antic infront of face. And we will be stuck playing dossier dossier again because Uncle Sam don't want nookleaer war. And people who support this subservience to US, would be coping how this precisely will help us against 10 feet tall choyna man.

Main reason is domestic arms industry is going nowhere because of chandigarh dalals.
No fix to dalals, otherwise your Mi-17 will crash and pilot error will be blamed.


Russia is in decline.
Choyna is our enemy.

Only best case for us is we get a France style "alliance" with US, but then the French haven't sold their country to the US across decades, can't say about our dalals here.

 

[randombully]

Why are you so confident may i ask?

Info/rumors I guess.

Amerikkis will also only show vocal displeasure and some entities in washington showing vocal threats if a su57 deal is signed, no concrete action or caasta will pass the senate.

The amrikki administration also wants india as a cheap production hub for its weapons that it can replenish in case of pacific war with , in turn india is also encouraged to buy limited quantity to those weapons whose production amerikkis wants shifted to india.
You can guess the weapons and systems .

Whole thing is a complicated circus, with both parties having conflicting and mutual interests, the direction right now Is working together in mutual interests and "tolerating" opposing interests *for now*.

 

[redpanda]

Main reason is domestic arms industry is going nowhere because of chandigarh dalals.
No fix to dalals, otherwise your Mi-17 will crash and pilot error will be blamed.


Russia is in decline.
Choyna is our enemy.

Only best case for us is we get a France style "alliance" with US, but then the French haven't sold their country to the US across decades, can't say about our dalals here.

While I agree domestic industry has been lackluster. Tbh domestic industry was non-existent in 70s/80s when we were fighting a lot of war. From then we have reached a long way. DRDO itself back then only produced a few components. Even some of the missiles were imported back then. There were more resistance to domestic weapons back then than today. Even then chandigarh lobby protested saying "What's the point of domestic weapons when it doesn't arrive on time?" Yet somehow industry got through and there was unexpected political support too. So I have faith that domestic industry it will be able to get through all the hurdles it faces. But issue is we don't have enough time. Time is the issue here.

There are mention of two books in this seminar. I have read the first one. Rather interesting history about our domestic efforts. Back then chandigarh lobby was basically inside DRDO. and there was a lot tussle between Army and DRDO folks regarding projects.


View: https://youtu.be/u_aIAZyh7L0

 

[shade2]

Info/rumors I guess.

Amerikkis will also only show vocal displeasure and some entities in washington showing vocal threats if a su57 deal is signed, no concrete action or caasta will pass the senate.

The amrikki administration also wants india as a cheap production hub for its weapons that it can replenish in case of pacific war with , in turn india is also encouraged to buy limited quantity to those weapons whose production amerikkis wants shifted to india.
You can guess the weapons and systems .

Whole thing is a complicated circus, with both parties having conflicting and mutual interests, the direction right now Is working together in mutual interests and "tolerating" opposing interests *for now*.

Parthu/Gessler on the other forum peddles this theory.
I mean it is his theory there is nothing as evidence for this.

I think Javelin and Stryker are only jaziya purchases

 

[ezsasa]

Whole thing is a complicated circus, with both parties having conflicting and mutual interests, the direction right now Is working together in mutual interests and "tolerating" opposing interests *for now*.

Not just us, it's the story of every country that tries to work with murican gormint and establishment.

murican talking heads(some, not all) in think tanks and media are showing some humility these days, a decade ago their language and attitude was akin to emperor's darbaris during their unipolar moment.

 

[redpanda]

Anyways read those two books. You will be actually feel a bit glad about our current situation knowing about our situation back then. Yet you will still feel we need much more to do. The first book is sadly out of stock on online stores though. So you have to find it offline. Those books give an interesting insight to DRDO's history and thus domestic arms industry as well.

 

[Cheepek]

this particular communication between the two, falls under this category.
IA is not ready to divulge more info than what they deem necessary. this is fine in my books.

There are many such instances where government or army spokespersons go overzealous on giving the Chinese benefit of doubt without actually fact-checking anything.
Why would PIB et al go to lengths of factchecking "old videos" of India-China scuffle videos shared by netizens? Pvt. fact checkers are understandable, but why would PIB (a government org) do it? What harm does it do to India or the Indian government when Indians take joy in seeing Chinese soldiers getting bashed?
Another instance i could recall is when Vijaita wrote about a face off after Galwan- no clash, just a faceoff b/w soldiers on both sides. Pretty common right? Maybe 100s of such instances happen every year. Very likely it happened as well, but again there was a "fact check" denying it completely.
Why would you even deny something that's so normal on the LAC? Maybe it did not happen on that day, maybe occurred one day after or one day prior, but what's the point in going overboard if not to placate the Chinese?

I never said it's wrong or right, but there's a pattern to it. Government always tries to placate the Chinese in it's communication, and this "fact check" by CDS should be seen in that context.