Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (75 Viewers)

[Tumba]

I doubt this is true but if the pilot managed to do it then I don't know how?
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Low altitude turns and climbs with soft override which is possible mixed with long flight times with heavy payload not every situation can be taken in account by these systems.

N-Body problems

 

[hurrians]

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. regarding bhatinda crash

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Most like a high value aircraft hence dainik jagran is so interested

However
No confirmed Dassault or French source has definitively acknowledged a combat loss of a Rafale due to enemy action (e.g., being shot down by Pakistan’s J-10C jets or HQ-9B missile systems, as claimed by Pakistani sources). The only mention of a potential loss comes from the disputed report (later denied by Dassault) suggesting a single Rafale may have been lost due to a technical failure during a high-altitude training mission, with no enemy involvement or hostile radar contact.

Given all the available public data I would go with sir tumba's explanation of the reason for aircraft crash
, it maybe confirmation bias but it is what explains the chain of events including the inexplicable "why would french intelligence be the first to confirm rafale loss that to American media"


. Balakot was something which didn't have much "solid" visual confirmation and internal sources too pointed out doubts about targeting accuracy but the level of propaganda was too high by ruling party but now the propaganda is not there at that level even when all evidence lead us to the conclusion that pakis got a severe beating and moodiji crossed 90 % of all their redlines , the lack of propaganda points to a very self confident person.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Lot of the concern trolling/'bhosdapillers' could just be Pakistani accounts with VPN (Canada, USA) fishing in troubled waters. Mods should issue bans for the same.

I'm expecting some kind of statement from GoI during Monsoon season. VP's resignation was probably to stop him from allowing opposition to protest Operation Sindoor like the traitor they are.

 

[Hindaviswarajya]

I have confirmed source…

Rafale was not due to any enemy action but pilot taking it beyond its structural limits resulted in crash.

Rafael ceo also hinted something that loss was not during the combat, if at all. Later that report was denied it seems.While other reports say no Rafael lost

 

[Sanglamorre]

I can tell you from my sources, take it our leave it. I am not gonna debate.

1x Rafale : Crashed at Bhatinda, hit by HQ-9.
1x Mirage-2000 : Crashed at Pampore, hit by Anza MANPADs by terrorists.
1x Mig-29 : Crashed at Ramban, hit by HQ-9.
1x Heron Mk-2 : Crashed at Akhnoor/Rajouri, hit by HQ-9.

7x PAF Jets shot down by our Air Defence (S400 + MRSAM), 2x High-Tech (likely DA-20 EW or Saab-2000 AEW&CS), rest normal jets.

Ground Losses to PAF due to IAF strikes were apparently devastating and > 8 PAF assets damaged just on ground.

So total 7x(in air) + >8(on ground)?

 

[GaudaNaresh]

And why did the pilot took it beyond its structural limits ?

Anyway, loss is a loss.

The most obvious way to exceed structural limits of a jet is to put on full thrust and exceed max operating altitude.
People think max altitude on jets exist due to oxygen density, as in above that your engine will flame out coz of not enough oxygen.
But no.
Yes, if you go high enough in the atmosphere, any combustion engine relying on external oxygen to combust fuel will flame out.
The reality is, max altitude exists for another reason: air density.
Low Air density reduces drag. So if you have a specific scenario where you actually go full throttle and keep gaining altitude at a slow rate, what will happen, is your plane will go faster and faster, due to lower and lower drag and exceed structural limits before it suffers actual flameout. And once you exceed structural limits, anything can happen- from wings flat out breaking off to cockpit damage or nosecone damage, etc.

Now why you would do this- that I leave up to pilots, coz I may be science guy but I ain't pilot.

 

[Waanar]

The most obvious way to exceed structural limits of a jet is to put on full thrust and exceed max operating altitude.
People think max altitude on jets exist due to oxygen density, as in above that your engine will flame out coz of not enough oxygen.
But no.
Yes, if you go high enough in the atmosphere, any combustion engine relying on external oxygen to combust fuel will flame out.
The reality is, max altitude exists for another reason: air density.
Low Air density reduces drag. So if you have a specific scenario where you actually go full throttle and keep gaining altitude at a slow rate, what will happen, is your plane will go faster and faster, due to lower and lower drag and exceed structural limits before it suffers actual flameout. And once you exceed structural limits, anything can happen- from wings flat out breaking off to cockpit damage or nosecone damage, etc.

Now why you would do this- that I leave up to pilots, coz I may be science guy but I ain't pilot.

I've heard stories of Hornet pilots trying to exceed it's top speed by going as high as possible then dropping the nose with afterburner and that didn't do anything to the frame. Modern planes going straight don't usually exceed their structural limits because of the FBW system.

Both Hornets (not sure about F16) and various Sukhois have a G limiter switch (cobra switch for all the top goon lovers) which switches off the FBW computer which moderates pilot input to make sure the plane doesn't exceed it's G limit and makes the control much more direct and analog to pilot's input.
You engage that switch and you pull hard while going fast and you can easily rip the wings off. Why a pilot would do that unless the FBW system is malfunctioning is beyond me. This is why 3rd gen or earlier planes were harder to fly compared to these. You had to keep track of the parameters that were non permissible to the airframe. Now, you can wobble the stick like a madman and it won't damage the frame.
I hear they even have a spin recovery switch too.
Wild.

 

[Tumba]

I've heard stories of Hornet pilots trying to exceed it's top speed by going as high as possible then dropping the nose with afterburner and that didn't do anything to the frame. Modern planes going straight don't usually exceed their structural limits because of the FBW system.

Both Hornets (not sure about F16) and various Sukhois have a G limiter switch (cobra switch for all the top goon lovers) which switches off the FBW computer which moderates pilot input to make sure the plane doesn't exceed it's G limit and makes the control much more direct and analog to pilot's input.
You engage that switch and you pull hard while going fast and you can easily rip the wings off. Why a pilot would do that unless the FBW system is malfunctioning is beyond me. This is why 3rd gen or earlier planes were harder to fly compared to these. You had to keep track of the parameters that were non permissible to the airframe. Now, you can wobble the stick like a madman and it won't damage the frame.
I hear they even have a spin recovery switch too.
Wild.

It is just a machine after all

 

[shade2]

Indian Armed Forces hasn't been in a proper war for quite a while now.

You'll be shocked to see the tactical miscalculations and losses we take at the start if a full war breaks out. Any armed forces would face such difficulties if they're restarting their war machine after a long pause.

We will have to have much harder hearts at that time, please stop obsessing over alleged downed aircraft.

It's just one paki w/ american flag stirring shit with smart-asses doing "no, no, see Rafale crashed saar!" and bhosdapillars also chiming in with rudali.

As i've said i'm only upset over the statements by un-elected professionals, y'all should be too.

If Rafale has shot down once again it will be a sticky situation to buy more politically when we need more fighters badly.

Baaki ka shit happens, but Pela -e- Pak must not stop, we must keep pushing the boundaries and escalating

 

[Drwho]

This thread is going annoying now. Lost jets 100 jets lost 5 jets.
This is simply not true when we take it on face of Pakistan.
Just that govt should have given clarification on it. Ab nahi diya toh let’s stop rabdi rona and move on.Fir ban threats abuse and than bhosdapillar and personal abuses.
Requirements of debate or discourse is to learn from past and discuss how we can improve the future.

Now discussion should be how to integrate system on existing and how to aquire more systems preferably Indian or made in india. But suitable for our needs.

Even I feel crazy to discuss same things over n over. Let’s move on.

 

[hurrians]

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

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May 2, 2025

this is mine theory too. Meanwhile i see it as a good sign that porkies are going over board with their missile tests. this means mullah is on the edge,,already while modi ji is busy in his pranayam ...

The fear being generated by silence is way too more than the actual war. Mullahs are spooked some where and are bracing for dooms day. patience have never been porkis forte so chances of them taking first strike are real and if it happens... than they loose the moral ground as well...

We think nothing will happen because we know Leaderji's track record and have...

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Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

May 2, 2025

Can someone help me resolve this conflict

Argument A : Modi is self obsessed, worried about his image all the time does everything for votes.
Argument B : Modi's inaction will erode his image, make him lose votes

How can same set of people be making both the arguments? If A is true , B can't be true & vice a versa, otherwise it leads to cognitive disonance

Never heard this on the forum, seems more like what the liberandu gang regularly repeats elsewhere

Regardless there is no khatra to votes in regards to inaction.

Public has gold-fish memory and will forget about...

• shade2

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Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

May 4, 2025

Daily reminder there is NO incentive for the GoI in a "retaliation" 1 month+ from the date of the massacre like the cope currently is,

• Every day this massacre fades out of public memory slowly but surely,
• There will be calls from the W*st where they threaten us to de-escalate, if we retaliate in 1 month+ we will be the """""aggressor"""""
• Because of the above """"aggressor"""" labelling opposition dogs will also bark that "mudi is a warmonger"
• Many more investor pigeons will nest here with their factories or commitments to build them, they will fly away to never come back...

• shade2

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Sir what we do here is mostly unsubstantiated rumour based prediction which sometimes comes out to be wrong , anyway good thing you underestimated moodiji the enemy too would have done the same "unless" you were secretly planting false info for pakis anyway your insights are very valuable for the discussion.

 

[shade2]

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

May 2, 2025

this is mine theory too. Meanwhile i see it as a good sign that porkies are going over board with their missile tests. this means mullah is on the edge,,already while modi ji is busy in his pranayam ...

The fear being generated by silence is way too more than the actual war. Mullahs are spooked some where and are bracing for dooms day. patience have never been porkis forte so chances of them taking first strike are real and if it happens... than they loose the moral ground as well...

We think nothing will happen because we know Leaderji's track record and have...

• shade2

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Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

May 2, 2025

Can someone help me resolve this conflict

Argument A : Modi is self obsessed, worried about his image all the time does everything for votes.
Argument B : Modi's inaction will erode his image, make him lose votes

How can same set of people be making both the arguments? If A is true , B can't be true & vice a versa, otherwise it leads to cognitive disonance

Never heard this on the forum, seems more like what the liberandu gang regularly repeats elsewhere

Regardless there is no khatra to votes in regards to inaction.

Public has gold-fish memory and will forget about...

• shade2

• 

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

Post in thread 'Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack'

May 4, 2025

Daily reminder there is NO incentive for the GoI in a "retaliation" 1 month+ from the date of the massacre like the cope currently is,

• Every day this massacre fades out of public memory slowly but surely,
• There will be calls from the W*st where they threaten us to de-escalate, if we retaliate in 1 month+ we will be the """""aggressor"""""
• Because of the above """"aggressor"""" labelling opposition dogs will also bark that "mudi is a warmonger"
• Many more investor pigeons will nest here with their factories or commitments to build them, they will fly away to never come back...

• shade2

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Sir what we do here is mostly unsubstantiated rumour based prediction which sometimes comes out to be wrong , anyway good thing you underestimated moodiji the enemy too would have done the same "unless" you were secretly planting false info for pakis anyway your insights are very valuable for the discussion.

Saar, aapko kyu mirchi lagi?

You didn't start this shitshow didn't you? go back 8-10 pages, there is a us flagged paki called "interested" crying about muh crashes and "Modi didn't do anything" it started from there

You don't even post much on the forum.

Also still stand by that it was unlikely that Leaderji would order any retaliatory strikes, to much "risk" was there and there was no need to since the publics ((( forget ))) things overtime, because "chalta hai" and all.

It is why Leaderji is so based for ordering the strikes

 

[crazywithmath]

1x Mirage-2000 : Crashed at Pampore, hit by Anza MANPADs by terrorists.

We had guys with MANPADs in J&K? Or were they stationed at the LoC?

 

[Ajatshatru]

A Series of Coincidences on the Night of May 10th

1. Between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM, there were reported strikes on both Chagai and Kirana Hills.
2. Seismic activity measuring 4.1 on the Richter scale was recorded in the Kirana Hills region.
3. Approximately an hour and a half later, another seismic event measuring 5.7 on the Richter scale occurred in the Chagai Hills.
4. A B350 aircraft was observed flying over both Chagai and Kirana Hills before landing at Nur Khan Airbase.
5. An Egyptian IL-76 aircraft, reportedly arriving via China and carrying Boron-10, flew in a zig-zag pattern over both Kirana and Chagai Hills.
6. Satellite imagery from MAXAR showed a crater formation in the Kirana Hills.

View: https://youtu.be/hgSXM82LabE?si=ULotcfcZsqtqav63

 

[Ajatshatru]

After examining all the available evidence, I see no reason to believe that Kirana Hills was not hit. It clearly was—and Pakistan is hiding something. Although Pakistan claims the Kirana Hills nuclear facility was shut down in the 1950s, this is just one of many statements from Pakistan that warrant serious skepticism.

 

[Interested]

A Series of Coincidences on the Night of May 10th

1. Between 1:00 AM and 3:00 AM, there were reported strikes on both Chagai and Kirana Hills.
2. Seismic activity measuring 4.1 on the Richter scale was recorded in the Kirana Hills region.
3. Approximately an hour and a half later, another seismic event measuring 5.7 on the Richter scale occurred in the Chagai Hills.
4. A B350 aircraft was observed flying over both Chagai and Kirana Hills before landing at Nur Khan Airbase.
5. An Egyptian IL-76 aircraft, reportedly arriving via China and carrying Boron-10, flew in a zig-zag pattern over both Kirana and Chagai Hills.
6. Satellite imagery from MAXAR showed a crater formation in the Kirana Hills.

View: https://youtu.be/hgSXM82LabE?si=ULotcfcZsqtqav63

Anything Arnab says must be discounted after his insane reporting during OP Sindhoor.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Anything Arnab says must be discounted after his insane reporting during OP Sindhoor.

Arnab is a journalist and may not fully understand the technical aspects of these events, but General G.D. Bakshi—and several other analysts around the world—have closely examined the series of coincidences that followed the strikes on Kirana Hills. Many of them believe that India attempted to denuclearise Pakistan. Whether that attempt was successful or not is a separate debate, one that requires more concrete evidence before reaching a definitive conclusion.

Pakistanis claim that Operation Sindoor caused no damage to their territory and that 36 Indian airbases were completely destroyed. However, I’ve personally reviewed satellite imagery of all Indian airbases, and there is absolutely no sign of damage to any of them. In contrast, the damage to Pakistani airbases is clearly visible. You can deny it as much as you want—but satellite images don’t lie.

 

[hurrians]

Saar, aapko kyu mirchi lagi?

You didn't start this shitshow didn't you? go back 8-10 pages, there is a us flagged paki called "interested" crying about muh crashes and "Modi didn't do anything" it started from there

You don't even post much on the forum.

Also still stand by that it was unlikely that Leaderji would order any retaliatory strikes, to much "risk" was there and there was no need to since the publics ((( forget ))) things overtime, because "chalta hai" and all.

It is why Leaderji is so based for ordering the strikes

I maybe wrong but Again a good time for recollection

. Wargaming are done by forces they should have factored in 'political constraints' , 'enemy capabilities'
.how can one war game when enemy capabilities are not known and someone has to be assigned to act as enemy in wargame
.free flow of information, it's analysis , from success and failure leads to forces being better prepared which they are ofcourse doing but then again it should also be in domestic sphere , Shangri la, indonesian seminar are all good but discuss domestically too
. Praveen Sawhney provides good input but he exaggerates too much
. If L box ambush happened chances were pretty high of high level paki commitment to irregular warfare with trained commandoes
. Pakis were helped by china and turkey and then of course trump was nominated for Nobel peace prize
. In an alternative analyses we can think it was well part of us operation in middle East , telling pakis particularly that pakis have to accede to us demands or else pakis got emboldend since us needed pakis assistance in its middle East ops
. anyway the incident in Kashmir was not some random act it seems

 

[Interested]

Arnab is a journalist and may not fully understand the technical aspects of these events, but General G.D. Bakshi—and several other analysts around the world—have closely examined the series of coincidences that followed the strikes on Kirana Hills. Many of them believe that India attempted to denuclearise Pakistan. Whether that attempt was successful or not is a separate debate, one that requires more concrete evidence before reaching a definitive conclusion.

Pakistanis claim that Operation Sindoor caused no damage to their territory and that 36 Indian airbases were completely destroyed. However, I’ve personally reviewed satellite imagery of all Indian airbases, and there is absolutely no sign of damage to any of them. In contrast, the damage to Pakistani airbases is clearly visible. You can deny it as much as you want—but satellite images don’t lie.

I never said that Pakistani airbases were not hit or even about what happened at Kirana hills.

My only point was about Arnab . Nothing he says on his show or channel has any credibility left after his behavior during OP Sindhoor , he more than anyone else made India's media look like a laughing stock .

 

[snakeeyes07]

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