Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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It has to be former, I highly doubt they would export substandard material than what they are using, they are trying to crack defense market, selling inferior quality products would be counterproductive, at-least the weapons they sold to Pakistan failed to meet the requirements.

Second, they don't have any combat experience, they would be very much be interested in evaluating how their equipment performed in real combat scenario.

Chinese CCP is very pragmatic, they will learn from this battle, they got a real experience of the equipment being used without getting directly involved, what better than that, again why would you have exported inferior products this is best scenario for them?

I have heard some geo political experts claim China exports lower quality than what they use, I don't know how they are considered experts.

I tend to agree that Chini have no quality in their defense equipment and I seriously doubt they have an actual 5th gen fighter aircraft.

You have to understand that Chini is great and buying propoganda in its favour. So many so called experts would be on their payroll.

Bhai…trump is a moron. He is just reinforcing his god-like powers to his Neanderthal voter base, many of them wronged by leftist elites for decades.

This is why howdy Modi was a blunder. We should not have supported any political candidate in the US.
 
This repeated offender Wee Jee Taa is not at all worth mentioing here considering her rabid anti hatred towards the currently govt .. She with Premature ejaculation tried to post those fuel tanks pictures as aircrafts and later retracted but the information was not wrong ..

there are enough videos of Akhnoor crash , bathinda crash online on the day of 7th May ..

It okay like the telegram group i am in , i am realised the forum also wants to stick to what the information as shared by govt and don't want any other alternative perspective

So i won't waste my time anymore in this forum discussing any our losses as non of you are going to even discuss it unless Emperor Mudi ji announce it himself ..

it's not a favour you are doing on rest of us by not discussing these supposed crashes, it's about basic self awareness about do's and don'ts when adversary and his global allies are running a desperate campaign hinged on this point.

let the truth come out, whenever it does. i am sure, public will have a lot of opinions about it, like they always do.
 
What are Ruskies on about? Chini lizards will never stop propping Porkies against us.


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I don't think as of now there is any zero sum game as far as china is concerned . There are some issues that keeps coming from time to time . And yes china has pakistan angle . But pakistan has other benefactors as well . It's a big economy we don't have to view it from pakistan angle in every issues . There are some fields where mutual understanding can happen .
 
I don't think as of now there is any zero sum game as far as china is concerned . There are some issues that keeps coming from time to time . And yes china has pakistan angle . But pakistan has other benefactors as well . It's a big economy we don't have to view it from pakistan angle in every issues . There are some fields where mutual understanding can happen .

For Chini lizards we are a threat to their hegemony in Asia, perhaps the only viable one.

Porkies are just a convenient tool for them to use against us.
 
For Chini lizards we are a threat to their hegemony in Asia, perhaps the only viable one.

Porkies are just a convenient tool for them to use against us.
yea. And we have a string of pearls to exploit if Unkil ever weakens while we grow silently - Vietnam hates China at a fundamental level, especially the Han- viet do mingle with the Chinese, but their Cantonese cousins who are their distant cousins and almost never with the Han.
Korea & Japan dont need much to be said, they will be willing partners too, if Murrica falters. Problem for China, is that those societies and countries require a LOT more $$ and long term luck to control, since they are mostly a singlular ethno-state and Pakistan lacks the cohesive-ness of a successful muti-ethnic super-state like Russia, China, India, Iran, etc. mostly because Punjabis are goons and dont really undestand the whole 'dont flaunt dominance, then you quickly transition to imperialist over your own minorities' type of a broken soceity, in the process of fracturing.
So China's scope to fuck with India is drawing to a close, at least with pakis as an angle.

Once Balochistan+FATA regions break away, its game over mostly for sindupunjabistan because Sindh too will finally ask for its fair share and maybe even hold punjab +rest of KPK hostage to the situation.
No-matter how much Pakis seethe and cope and try to bring in breaking india via kashmir khalistan or NE states, the fundamental difference remains - Pakis are trying to grow a secessionist movement/find the last embers of the 80s era ULFA peoples/etc. at best, we don't have a raging fire of disappearing people by military all over half of our country in ethnic minority belts, so we do't have to grow anything- we just have to fan the flames and help the flames grow and its game over for them.

And in this, we have at least ONE willing party to play with - Afghan Taliban.
 
For Chini lizards we are a threat to their hegemony in Asia, perhaps the only viable one.

Porkies are just a convenient tool for them to use against us.

Those geopolitical games ll go on . Eventually they ll just accept the new reality of multilateral order as india keeps growing . India must not put itself in the same mindset of Ukraine and Pakistan . I am noway underestimating chinese security threats in LAC . That's a completely separate issue .
 
yea. And we have a string of pearls to exploit if Unkil ever weakens while we grow silently - Vietnam hates China at a fundamental level, especially the Han- viet do mingle with the Chinese, but their Cantonese cousins who are their distant cousins and almost never with the Han.
Korea & Japan dont need much to be said, they will be willing partners too, if Murrica falters. Problem for China, is that those societies and countries require a LOT more $$ and long term luck to control, since they are mostly a singlular ethno-state and Pakistan lacks the cohesive-ness of a successful muti-ethnic super-state like Russia, China, India, Iran, etc. mostly because Punjabis are goons and dont really undestand the whole 'dont flaunt dominance, then you quickly transition to imperialist over your own minorities' type of a broken soceity, in the process of fracturing.
So China's scope to fuck with India is drawing to a close, at least with pakis as an angle.

Once Balochistan+FATA regions break away, its game over mostly for sindupunjabistan because Sindh too will finally ask for its fair share and maybe even hold punjab +rest of KPK hostage to the situation.
No-matter how much Pakis seethe and cope and try to bring in breaking india via kashmir khalistan or NE states, the fundamental difference remains - Pakis are trying to grow a secessionist movement/find the last embers of the 80s era ULFA peoples/etc. at best, we don't have a raging fire of disappearing people by military all over half of our country in ethnic minority belts, so we do't have to grow anything- we just have to fan the flames and help the flames grow and its game over for them.

And in this, we have at least ONE willing party to play with - Afghan Taliban.

Unkil won't weaken soon, it will be a few decades at the least. By the time, our demographics would be terrible and Porkies allies might be in power here.

I feel we have a decade to deal with Porkies and settle our own affairs during the war emergency.

Those geopolitical games ll go on . Eventually they ll just accept the new reality of multilateral order as india keeps growing . India must not put itself in the same mindset of Ukraine and Pakistan . I am noway underestimating chinese security threats in LAC . That's a completely separate issue .

The G2 will not let a third power rise without a fight. That is what we need to guard against.

Handling internal threat is perhaps more critical than Porkies.
 
Presidency of non parmanent members in UN security council.

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Why Shashi Tharoor in Guyana, Panama, Banerjee in South Korea, Srikant Shinde in Sierra Lone, Kanimozhi in Russia, Slovenia, Armenia, Jaishankar in Denmark, France, Baijayant Panda in Algeria (Algeria is Indian arms importer)
Dude , from wiki it's china is the biggest supplier to Algerian forces.
 
Unkil won't weaken soon, it will be a few decades at the least. By the time, our demographics would be terrible and Porkies allies might be in power here.

I feel we have a decade to deal with Porkies and settle our own affairs during the war emergency.



The G2 will not let a third power rise without a fight. That is what we need to guard against.

Handling internal threat is perhaps more critical than Porkies.
Pankha narao, aag baraao.
This is the only play we have on pakistan - we cant directly kill it, because the world wont let us, we cant defy the world in a UNGA+UNSC doctrine, we cant out-spend Unkil+China to buy influence in Paki-land (not that it would work with their islamism ideology). So the only play we have, is to fan the flames.
But lucky for us, since the flame is home-grown and we are right next door and we can slip in and out, especially with Afghan help, its the Ace in the hole too - if a country impodes from within, due to ethnic strife, no outside force can keep it together, without direct old school pre-modern full scale invasion- which no one is mad enough to try with Pakistan to save Pakistan.

The rise of us as 3rd pole relies on killing our arch-nemesis : Pakistan. And in that quest, Russia is a key partner - they TOO hate islamist terrorism and Russia weilds the most influence still in places like Turkmenistan + Tajikistan ( which are connected to Russia through Caspian sea corridor) and they provide the backdoor access to Pakis, via Afghanistan. So we have an infiltration route ready.
And in this, we are mano-e-mano with the Pakis. Coz not even the Afghans and iranis can tell us apart that easily, let alone chinku or unkil.
 
This keeps coming up again and again.
I wonder if this is a pretext for a very favorable trade deal for us.

Why do we even need a 'trade deal' at this point? :bplease: Those tariffs will be withdrawn anyway.

Hopefully, the TACO retard will continue to run his mouth - that way no Javelin/Stryker deal will ever get signed!
 
Long post warning.

I Disagree with your second post. And I think I might have an answer to your questions in the first post. But before that, some background.

How many of you are familiar with Vipin Narang's work here? He is a west based (Primarily American) Political Science Professor with a specialization in Nuclear Policy. He has authored a consistent series of papers, serially for over a decade about how India's nuclear policy is not as innocuous as it looked and that all of that seemingly inconsistent and haphazard development of technology and testing of missiles, ABM systems etc is not from Strategic Confusion but a well planned and thought out Conventional Counter force strategy against Pakistan while retaining a Counter Value targeting strategy against China.

Most recently, he authored a paper jointly with Christopher Clary ( Yes of the ISI Begum fame) titled
" India's Counterforce temptations " which I recommend everyone to read.

The crux of the paper is as I stated above. That India's strategic planners have made a conscious strategy to target Pakistan's nukes with conventional counterforce elements while simultaneously developing ABM systems in order to intercept the stray nuke missile thrown our way. India’s way of dealing with the Pakistani nuclear threat is to de nuclearize Pakistan while using only conventional counterforce elements. That this is causing instability in South Asian Strategic balance as Pakistan cannot keep up with Indian military spending, hence its paranoia about India’s new counterforce strategy will cause it to launch its nukes at every provocation and put their nuke arsenal at ever more hair trigger alerts.

That this is not just one academic being paranoid but a well thought out deliberately underplayed strategy by India is borne out by some more examples. In one of his very early talks at an Israeli forum Abhijit Iyer-mitra has mentioned that Indian Air Force has a very clear cut policy to deal with Pakistani nuclear weapons. That they would destroy any TEL they can see and track via Satellite based ISR, Aerial reconnaissance and HUMINT. If their were to be a sympathetic detonation, it would not be considered a first strike by India. Add to this the “accidental “ slips of tongue by Indian strategic planners on the level of NSA Menon in the UPA govt and DM Parrikar in the NDA govt, this appears more and more to be a credible hypothesis especially considering the military technologies India was developing indigenously and acquiring from Israel and France. Israel especially, considering the Israeli strike element arsenal has the targeting of Iran’s nuclear facilities or finished nuclear delivery and deployment mechanisms as one of its primary taskings. I mean missiles Like Rocks ALBM, LORA etc. here.

So far this was just a strategy, but an untested one. But all the elements required for this strategy have been carefully designed, developed, acquired and tested. Like ABM systems, Air launched Precision strike munitions with very low intercept probability, Integrated Air Defense Grid, multiple options for missile interceptions etc. They have also consistently and iteratively improved procedures, planning and execution with exercises like Vayu Shakti to replicate a high tempo of operations and constant bombardment that would be necessary to denuclearise Pakistan.

So, with this in mind, my reading of what has happened during Operation Sindoor is as follows.

We could not start Operation Sindoor with SEAD/DEAD against the Pakistan Armed Forces while saying that we are responding to terror. Why? Because believe it or not we have a lot of baggage that acts as a precedent that prevents us from directly striking Pakistani military first. Like it or not, everybody and I mean absolutely EVERYBODY would love to have an excuse to blame us for being aggressive and rogue if we break that precedent. We needed to demonstrate that we are only targeting terrorists and that we will only respond against the Pakistani military when forced to. It was for this reason that we were working under such restrictive RoEs on May 6-7 during the opening hours of Operation Sindoor.

But Pakis being Pakis made it easier for us by having Uniformed Generals taking part in the Funerals of dead terrorists, and under the lead of a wanted terrorist no less, especially in front of Cameras. Hence, Modis declaration that we will no longer differentiate between terrorists and the Pakistani state and military is important.

It means when Operation Sindoor resumes again, Pakistani military assets/ AD would be targeted and neutralized first before any anti terrorist action and we don’t need to provide any justification for targeting another country’s armed forces. I think this is also the reason why MP delegations with diverse selection of MPs have been sent to various countries in order to drive home this point, especially emphasizing that “India has the right to Defend itself against Pakistani terrorist attacks”

It is to shift the narrative from, “ India is needlessly escalating by targeting another Sovereign country’s Armed forces “ to “ India is defending itself against Pakistani military strategy of terrorism and it is Self defense” and coming from a democratically elected MP representing the will of millions of Indian Voters, it becomes very difficult for either the Foreign Press or Bad faith actors to counter them.

About why India started targeting Pakistani nuclear storage sites and launch sites along with SPD Command and Control, I have the following explanation based on what I postulated before.

Till the time Pakistanis kept themselves in the domain of drones against military installations and Firing in Border areas, we would, as mentioned in the statement on May 8th “respond in the same domain”.

Hence, in response to Pakistani night time drone attacks, we responded with Drone attacks targeting Pakistani military assets. No escalation.

However, the moment the Pakistanis launched a Ballistic Missile towards NCR with ambiguity of whether it was a nuclear payload or conventional the situation graduated from Conventional sallies across the border with drones to “Possible nuclear first strike”

The Pakistanis I suspect wanted to demonstrate the following.

They are willing to escalate rapidly into the grey domain of nuclear ambiguity. Meaning, India could never be sure if the next attack with another BM or Cruise missile would not be equipped with a nuclear warhead, which they thought would terrify the Hindu banias and paralyse our command chain with sheer panic.

What actually happened was that India’s Politico-military planners had just upgraded this situation from “Anti Terror Operation and its consequent military duels “ to “ Its very possible that the Pakistanis would launch a nuclear first strike next”

This was what I suspect has actually caused the entire effort to shift gears. Because immediately post the interception of a Ballistic Missile over Sirsa, The IAF’s counterforce targeting campaign was in full force. If you notice, the Indian posture and military attacks shifted dramatically in intensity and range of targets during May 9-10th , but still well within the domain of how Pakistan responded. Meaning we wanted demonstrate our counterforce intent, and remove any ambiguity from Pakistani minds that escalating this would result in anything other than their denuclearization. (Please read Modiji’s statement that India would no longer bend to Pakistani nuclear Blackmail in this light.)

Another thing this explains is why did US get involved and what was the “ Alarming intelligence” that they had received?

Some say that it was the targeting of Nur Khan air base, but just targeting an airbase doesn’t explain the “alarming“ part. I think what possibly happened was this. As soon as India shifted gears to Counterforce targeting, any reasonably well read nuclear strategist or policy maker would immediately recognize it for what it means and sound the alarm, but because Trump fired everybody of consequence who could recognize it, it took the Americans the better part of a day to realize what was happening.

That was the “alarming intelligence “ that the US received and why it was involved immediately. Because the situation just graduated from “Just browns killing each other, none of my business” the day before, to “ NUCLEAR WAR !!! MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD HAVE DIED !! “

The difference can be gauged from just the difference in the kind of statements made by Vance the DAY BEFORE, to what Trump has constantly crowed since about saving millions of people. Because, the end game of a counterforce conventional targeting of Pakistani nuclear arsenal is that some WOULD be launched against us, and despite us being confident of being able to intercept these stray shots, the Burgericans have no way of knowing that we are just signalling our change of strategy and that this was a demonstration of our intent. As far as they knew, we were going to denuclearize their munna and roll it over like a bitch.

(As an aside, holy shit this American administration is dumb as shit. )

This is my understanding of what happened during May 6-10th and I hope this helps put some possible context on the inexplicable happenings during those 4 days.
porkis really thought we wont respond if they target our national capital

iaf did a really good strike on their airbases, we should have hit all of their airbases and pisslamabad too, we should teach them next time what is escalation

dont spare their cantonments and ghq rawalpindi too, this time we dont want surrender, we want charred bodies of each and every pig their, let them target delhi and it would trigger the end of pisslamic world
 
Music to my ears. We should be aggressively campaigning to replace Chini defence exports.


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pls give it to greece for free or either heavy discounts and soft credit, let the music of harmonium of their abbajaan reach their ear which is in their as*h*le

give akash ng, vlsrsam, mrsam, astra mk1, mk2, rudram 1, 2, pinaka everything in our indigenous arsenal at discount and soft credit, they will promote atmanirbharta at a better scale

#makegreece,armenia,taiwangreatagain

make a new quad - india, greece armenia taiwan and go full boom boom

xina and turkroach think that we are actually are supporters of buddha and not yuddha, mf our culture and dharma has had ugra, ghora, prachanda and teevra devtas mastering in yuddha and abhichara prayoga, we are the sons and daughters of mahishasur mardini, asurs and rakshas wont be spared
 
Dude , this is not what we need right now
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wtf was the reply?? Gen Bipin Rawat aap bohot yaad aaoge, someone tell me pls this is ai or deepfake, if this is true, leave the hindu aside pls remove him, why didnt he just say that we didnt lose any aircraft

ooo bhai main gaali de dunga, @Suryavanshi bhai pls maaf kardena agar keyboard se gaali nikal jaye to, ho sake to mujhe ban kar dena
 


I am not communal or anything but there is a widespread rumor that jews use pork fat as lubricant in their drones and missiles to intemidate Palestinians. We all know how these yahudi operate .. Now that india has dropped some of those missiles and drones in pak , those lands are now haram .. informed it to the Pakistani lurkers just to be on the safe side .
 
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