Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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There is some logic to what you say. Note we never had a reliable domestic manufacturing setup. Even now there are significant gaps in materials technology and engine development. Also, we are focused more on growing the economy unlike Pakistan which is descending into chaos, and needs to be a security state to fight it out. Israel is top notch because they constantly face threats and must develop advanced technology to beat the threats. We do not face anything like that.
We need to remember pakistan is that country which was created after proving their hatred for not living along with hindu and you think they will just keep calm and watch a hindu nation propser and propel itself into 10 Trl economy when they have been taught Ghaz ve Hind the complete annihilation of this land and its majority population . We have been behaving like pakistan is a nuisance we are not bothered we are focused on our economy and people but that nuisance is day in and out focused on our destruction only so you have to invest yourself to defend yourself from that lunatic nation at any cost

Israel also invested so much in technology but what happened on Oct 7th 1000+ of their citizens are slaughtered , kidnapped , raped and murdered inside their land by bunch of people who they thought is not technically a match to their military standards . what are they doing today literally carpet bombing the entire place so that for another 20 years their citizens are safe ..

What is the cost we have given to pakistan for killing out citizens ? which will deter them for another 10 years from sending terrorist into our territory ???
 
<random> Went for monthly haircut today at my regular place. The paki barber was on holiday so got chatting with the new guy. He's a Kurd (from eastern Turkey), still seething about how the Turks harass the Kurds and lock em up/detain them illegally. We both bitched about how the UK is also going to the dogs. </random>

Few thoughts:
  • CDS interviews in S'pore were avoidable. We're worse off after these were aired because of the cheif's vague responses. (1) any such media interactions should have been with Indian media on Indian soil as a matter of principle. (2) what Bloomberg/Reuters aired was clearly edited or at least snipped from a longer conversation i.e. they were acting in bad faith and never wanted to show the full picture - this should have been obvious to MEA and MoD so why acquiesce their interview requests in the first place? (3) talking about birds 'down' / 'tactical mistakes' without, in the same sentence, bringing up how many PAF birds were shot down gives the inbred goatshaggers the credit they do not deserve (and secretly crave) and allows them to claim their jazba >>> evil hindu baniya's jazba.
  • The key point here is you don't just need to defeat porkis militarily but to demonstrate - beyond reasonable doubt - to the average jehadi that they've been had. The '6-0' psyops gives them enough false bragging rights that their awaam will not learn the lesson we wanted to deliver.
  • We need to work on our BVR a2a game. If PL15Es indeed scored hit(s) then it shows (1) spectra may not be as much of a game changer as we'd hoped and (2) the PAF did well with their 2-way datalinks and ability to use the SAAB awacs to steer their missiles. I'm not an expert but think this means we either need to buy loads of meteors for our Rafale and Mirage fleet and r37s for our Su30s as a quick-fix and get them to talk with our Netra and IACCS and Astra 2 + Astra 3 need to be developed and inducted on mission mode.
  • With the caveat that IACCS and army/air force AD systems did a great job, the nation seriously needs to invest big bucks on our air force fleet - this is now a strategic priority. Need PMO to directly monitor Kaveri program (same as ATV of yore) and we need LCA Mk2 to take to the skies in the next 12 months. The GE 404/414 clusterfuck needs to be solved somehow - even if that means pouring a few $$billions into Trump's corrupt crypto ponzis - just get the damn engines. I refuse to believe the evil hindus can't find the right levers to pull in Washington to get this done. Thing is, it won't be that difficult to buy 300-400 engines off the shelf if we stop asking for unobtanium ToT like an idiot. Nobody's going to share the crown jewels of aerospace metallurgy. Not GE, not Safran.
  • I was initially irritated about the abrupt ceasefire but now that I think about it, we never intended to broaden the scope of our response and were quite happy to agree to stop bombing when field marshal sued for peace. There's obviously a bigger game going on and Leader Ji thinks it is important to be seen as a 'good guy' / 'not an era of war' in the eyes of P5. You may disagree with Leader Ji, but that messaging is clear.
  • Think our game is to bide our time for foreseeable future (waiting for $10T probably). Reading betwene the lines, desh needs to roll up its sleeves as there's a LOT of work to be done in offensive aircrafts and aerospace manufacturing generally, drones, surveillance satellites and a lot more. New Delhi does not think its facing a bhooka-nanga adversary on the Western borders but the jihadi wing of our Northern foe. Expect Pakistan to deploy more Chinese equipment over the next decade. They will also harden their C2 infrastructure with Chinese help.
 
<random> Went for monthly haircut today at my regular place. The paki barber was on holiday so got chatting with the new guy. He's a Kurd (from eastern Turkey), still seething about how the Turks harass the Kurds and lock em up/detain them illegally. We both bitched about how the UK is also going to the dogs. </random>

Few thoughts:
  • CDS interviews in S'pore were avoidable. We're worse off after these were aired because of the cheif's vague responses. (1) any such media interactions should have been with Indian media on Indian soil as a matter of principle. (2) what Bloomberg/Reuters aired was clearly edited or at least snipped from a longer conversation i.e. they were acting in bad faith and never wanted to show the full picture - this should have been obvious to MEA and MoD so why acquiesce their interview requests in the first place? (3) talking about birds 'down' / 'tactical mistakes' without, in the same sentence, bringing up how many PAF birds were shot down gives the inbred goatshaggers the credit they do not deserve (and secretly crave) and allows them to claim their jazba >>> evil hindu baniya's jazba.
  • The key point here is you don't just need to defeat porkis militarily but to demonstrate - beyond reasonable doubt - to the average jehadi that they've been had. The '6-0' psyops gives them enough false bragging rights that their awaam will not learn the lesson we wanted to deliver.
  • We need to work on our BVR a2a game. If PL15Es indeed scored hit(s) then it shows (1) spectra may not be as much of a game changer as we'd hoped and (2) the PAF did well with their 2-way datalinks and ability to use the SAAB awacs to steer their missiles. I'm not an expert but think this means we either need to buy loads of meteors for our Rafale and Mirage fleet and r37s for our Su30s as a quick-fix and get them to talk with our Netra and IACCS and Astra 2 + Astra 3 need to be developed and inducted on mission mode.
  • With the caveat that IACCS and army/air force AD systems did a great job, the nation seriously needs to invest big bucks on our air force fleet - this is now a strategic priority. Need PMO to directly monitor Kaveri program (same as ATV of yore) and we need LCA Mk2 to take to the skies in the next 12 months. The GE 404/414 clusterfuck needs to be solved somehow - even if that means pouring a few $$billions into Trump's corrupt crypto ponzis - just get the damn engines. I refuse to believe the evil hindus can't find the right levers to pull in Washington to get this done. Thing is, it won't be that difficult to buy 300-400 engines off the shelf if we stop asking for unobtanium ToT like an idiot. Nobody's going to share the crown jewels of aerospace metallurgy. Not GE, not Safran.
  • I was initially irritated about the abrupt ceasefire but now that I think about it, we never intended to broaden the scope of our response and were quite happy to agree to stop bombing when field marshal sued for peace. There's obviously a bigger game going on and Leader Ji thinks it is important to be seen as a 'good guy' / 'not an era of war' in the eyes of P5. You may disagree with Leader Ji, but that messaging is clear.
  • Think our game is to bide our time for foreseeable future (waiting for $10T probably). Reading betwene the lines, desh needs to roll up its sleeves as there's a LOT of work to be done in offensive aircrafts and aerospace manufacturing generally, drones, surveillance satellites and a lot more. New Delhi does not think its facing a bhooka-nanga adversary on the Western borders but the jihadi wing of our Northern foe. Expect Pakistan to deploy more Chinese equipment over the next decade. They will also harden their C2 infrastructure with Chinese help.
1. people do share keystone crowning jewel war technologies, but they **MUST** face existential threat to do so. Eg: UK gave USA radar technology, jet engine research and advanced propeller design to suppress sonar waves - as THAT was the price USA demanded to enter ww2.

2. leaderji understands what 99% people dont understand : we live in UN world. Where P5 are the only real mard, rest are all tawaif nations who must dance to the tune of UN General Assembly and at the Kotha of the P5. **THAT** is reality that none can avoid - be it India, Brazil, Japan, Canada, Germany - NOBODY can avoid this rule of thumb : if not P5, do mujra dance to earn your keep.
EVERYONE in the diplo community knows this. And the reason is, precedent is set by Apartheid South Africa : a world power, with nukes (undeclared but confirmed, which they gave up so blacks dont have nukes), with two countries as colonies ( Namibia + Botswana) that put together are comparable to its own size and a nation where the citizen population ( whites) had living standard of western europe.

Yet, in span of a WEEK, apartheid south Africa disappeared from the map. We made passports that said 'valid for all countries except RSA' on front page - as the whole world !! Why ? Coz RSA pissed off USA & UK was never friendly with Russia, France & China and the whole world pretty much voted in UNGA to ban RSA till they undo apartheid and nobody vetoed in UNSC.
So full chudaai of RSA via UNGA+UNSC route.
And STILL, RSA held out for over 20 years, maintaining its colonies. So conclusion is clear: if RSA can be made to disappear, anyone can be made to disappear, so if you are not P5 to use veto and say 'go to hell UN, jo ukharna haye ukhar lo' , you are a tawaif and you must do mujra dance to please the P5.

As long as UN exists, this is the final boss layer of what matters. leaderji knows this, hence why we are doing our mujra dance.
 
The Ukrainian NATO adventure deep inside Russia has jolted my understanding of modern warfare. The probability of such events happening in our own backyard is increasing with each passing day. Vulnerabilities are growing, and the risk of escalatory conflict is no longer distant. This drone threat needs to be addressed urgently. Our airbases, whether on the western or eastern borders, are extremely vulnerable — surrounded by dense populations and slums. These are deeply worrisome times. Maintaining 100% operational readiness, 365 days a year, is the only viable solution. If you lower your guard, a $500 drone can destroy equipment worth $100 million in no time. May Lord Hanuman guard us in these precarious times."
 
The Ukrainian NATO adventure deep inside Russia has jolted my understanding of modern warfare. The probability of such events happening in our own backyard is increasing with each passing day. Vulnerabilities are growing, and the risk of escalatory conflict is no longer distant. This drone threat needs to be addressed urgently. Our airbases, whether on the western or eastern borders, are extremely vulnerable — surrounded by dense populations and slums. These are deeply worrisome times. Maintaining 100% operational readiness, 365 days a year, is the only viable solution. If you lower your guard, a $500 drone can destroy equipment worth $100 million in no time. May Lord Hanuman guard us in these precarious times."
Lol our Generols will classify this as Tactical mistake and our Leaderji will go for peace on one phone call from Gori chamde
 
Lol our Generols will classify this as Tactical mistake and our Leaderji will go for peace on one phone call from Gori chamde

Don't know about that
but useless self stroking duffers will link anything to do politics.
We all must be weary of such useless people.
 
Lol our Generols will classify this as Tactical mistake and our Leaderji will go for peace on one phone call from Gori chamde

Leaderji kept blasting paki pussies for over 72 hours straight - even after receiving calls from cuck JD. Also, possibly the most militarily adventurous PM in many many decades. It is absolutely fine to abuse the incumbent for their kanjoosi on IA/IAF/IN capex but as time passes on, ya'll are getting more and more ridiculous with your rr.
 
Leaderji kept blasting paki pussies for over 72 hours straight - even after receiving calls from cuck JD. Also, possibly the most militarily adventurous PM in many many decades. It is absolutely fine to abuse the incumbent for their kanjoosi on IA/IAF/IN capex but as time passes on, ya'll are getting more and more ridiculous with your rr.
Answer me this ..why he called off the operation when we were on top ..Why do you do that (unless either you were not on top or you threw away your gains because of weakness when US called ) you chose
 
Leaderji kept blasting paki pussies for over 72 hours straight - even after receiving calls from cuck JD. Also, possibly the most militarily adventurous PM in many many decades. It is absolutely fine to abuse the incumbent for their kanjoosi on IA/IAF/IN capex but as time passes on, ya'll are getting more and more ridiculous with your rr.
But it's unfortunate that leaderji did not have the testicular fortitude to take this op to its logical conclusion. Question to be asked is, have we deterred those Paki inbred retards enough to not attempt another terror incident? The answer is an overwhelming no! Another such incident is inevitable if not imminent.

Yes, the ops did impose a cost but do they care while they have received 40B+ in loans from IMF and WB?!?! They will rebuild whatever capabilities they have lost. They dont give a rats ass about the jihadi lives lost. So unless we gain territory (preferred) or significantly degrade their air force, navy and infrastructure like ports, everything else is pinpricks!
 
Answer me this ..why he called off the operation when we were on top ..Why do you do that (unless either you were not on top or you threw away your gains because of weakness when US called ) you chose

Because an all out war is still quite a bit far off in their escalation ladder? Because he did not want an all out war just yet?
 
Leaderji kept blasting paki pussies for over 72 hours straight - even after receiving calls from cuck JD. Also, possibly the most militarily adventurous PM in many many decades. It is absolutely fine to abuse the incumbent for their kanjoosi on IA/IAF/IN capex but as time passes on, ya'll are getting more and more ridiculous with your rr.
Correct ✅
Narendra Modi is no less assertive than Indira Gandhi when it comes to responding militarily to Pakistan. He has shown strong resolve against terrorism and has effectively deterred Pakistan from carrying out attacks like the one in Pahalgam — at least for the next decade. I have no doubt that he will continue to take both overt and covert actions to ensure Pakistan thinks twice before planning any terrorist activity against India. As he himself said, ‘Operation Sindoor was just a trailer — when the time comes, I will show Pakistan the full picture. Eat your bread, or my bullet is always ready.

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CDS interview with Bloomberg could have been avoided. It will take a few more generations before Indian uncles stop getting loose-tongued before phoren mem.

What India should do next is confidently put out its battle losses, lay out its claims on what PAF asset losses it inflicted (take your pick: Junkfighters, Erieye(s), C130H, F-16s in the hangar, Mirage V, etc.), and dismiss the cause as attacker's disadvantage. Even in pure monetary terms, IAF inflicted more air asset losses on the paki side than they inflicted ours.

And these are just air assets, doesn't include the assets we destroyed as part of SEAD/DEAD.
I agree it could be avoided, but given the way this government generally gives bad news first then some other big accomplishment to drown it out, I think something may be on the way for Pakis.

All this narrative spin is sideshow for the public. We are wasting too much effort on it- like yes, it matters but not nearly enough as real result and facts on ground, which are already influencing weapons market and weapons tender globally.

1. people do share keystone crowning jewel war technologies, but they **MUST** face existential threat to do so. Eg: UK gave USA radar technology, jet engine research and advanced propeller design to suppress sonar waves - as THAT was the price USA demanded to enter ww2.

2. leaderji understands what 99% people dont understand : we live in UN world. Where P5 are the only real mard, rest are all tawaif nations who must dance to the tune of UN General Assembly and at the Kotha of the P5. **THAT** is reality that none can avoid - be it India, Brazil, Japan, Canada, Germany - NOBODY can avoid this rule of thumb : if not P5, do mujra dance to earn your keep.
EVERYONE in the diplo community knows this. And the reason is, precedent is set by Apartheid South Africa : a world power, with nukes (undeclared but confirmed, which they gave up so blacks dont have nukes), with two countries as colonies ( Namibia + Botswana) that put together are comparable to its own size and a nation where the citizen population ( whites) had living standard of western europe.

Yet, in span of a WEEK, apartheid south Africa disappeared from the map. We made passports that said 'valid for all countries except RSA' on front page - as the whole world !! Why ? Coz RSA pissed off USA & UK was never friendly with Russia, France & China and the whole world pretty much voted in UNGA to ban RSA till they undo apartheid and nobody vetoed in UNSC.
So full chudaai of RSA via UNGA+UNSC route.
And STILL, RSA held out for over 20 years, maintaining its colonies. So conclusion is clear: if RSA can be made to disappear, anyone can be made to disappear, so if you are not P5 to use veto and say 'go to hell UN, jo ukharna haye ukhar lo' , you are a tawaif and you must do mujra dance to please the P5.

As long as UN exists, this is the final boss layer of what matters. leaderji knows this, hence why we are doing our mujra dance.

Is it a peculiar Bengali affliction to sexualise everything? Using tawaif and mujra for our great nation? Maybe it's normal to use tawaif and mujra for mothers in your family?

I have a peculiar hatred for people who use sexual innuendo as metaphor in international relations.

@Vinash , I think it's time warn people who use sexual metaphors like this in the context of Nation.

Back to the point.

But how long do you think this UN drama can go on? Once we reach 10T nominal, meaning 25 T PPP, the system will destabilize to the level of collapse.

And this is the second time that you have given the example of RSA predicting that's what would happen to India if we supposedly show too much Mardangi.

Maybe you forgot but the time between 1979- 1999 was worse for us than anything the P5 can throw at us now.

What you predicted can not happen because of 2 reasons.

1. India is past a technological threshold that can be used to bludgeon or hold it back. We are present in every modern technological scientific frontier. Maybe not to the extent we all like. But we are HERE.

2. Deployed second strike nuclear capability. In the case of coordination of all P5 to destroy us, for whatever fcking reason, then Mahakala doctrine will come into play.
The Children of Rudra will destroy the world that refuses His worship. Let the world be purified in nuclear hellfire born out of Mahakala's third eye.

If we don't exist, then humanity doesn't deserve to exist. A world without Hindus and India is a world that actively conspired to make it happen, so it all deserves to die in screaming and starving agony.

The reason priest king had the cessation of paki banging is because presently any disruption of Indian economic growth patterns now is more destructive long term for India than a nuclear war. Simple.
 
Because an all out war is still quite a bit far off in their escalation ladder? Because he did not want an all out war just yet?
Hypothetically speaking, if the war had lasted for another 24-48 hours and if PAF and PN were blown to bits, do you think that would have resulted in an all out war?? I highly doubt it. The same Unkil Sam would have pressured both sides and offered lollipops to stop the fight, which by then would have been good stopping point.
 
But it's unfortunate that leaderji did not have the testicular fortitude to take this op to its logical conclusion. Question to be asked is, have we deterred those Paki inbred retards enough to not attempt another terror incident? The answer is an overwhelming no! Another such incident is inevitable if not imminent.

Paki army genrols are jihadis in uniform. How do you 'deter' them?

For all the praises the Israelis receive, will they be able to flush out Hamas anytime soon? And they are not even a state!

Yes, the ops did impose a cost but do they care while they have received 40B+ in loans from IMF and WB?!?! They will rebuild whatever capabilities they have lost. They dont give a rats ass about the jihadi lives lost. So unless we gain territory (preferred) or significantly degrade their air force, navy and infrastructure like ports, everything else is pinpricks!

They will 'rebuild' fuck all. I have been hearing about these supposed 'modernization efforts' of their aand forces for over a decade now. What changed?

They receive those IMF/WB bailouts/loans periodically every few years. What changed?

Rebuild they will. They dont spend jackshit on their economy or people. So whatever loans that they receive will be channeled into jernails pockets and weapons purchases. Unkil Sam will authorize additional F16s, Turkey and China will more than willingly sell their sh.t. 40B will give you serious capabilities!! We can debate all we want about the quality, but a TB2 or HQ9 can still inflict damage.

Modernization is expensive. Wars, even more so. Where is the money in pakiland? How will they buy anything? Those bailout programmes will continue for many many years and the money comes in tranches (dependent on a lot of T&C). It is not like they are going to have a billion $ lying in their coffers anytime soon.

On a related note, the chongs do not donate stuff like the burgerboys - not in significant nos, anyway. And the burgerboys only keep them afloat, just barely.

So how exactly will these goatfuckers make up for their losses and plan ahead in time for the 'next round'?

Aand forces want an additional 1-1.5% of the GDP to go into defense but how will they manage it with bailout negotiations still in progress?
 
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Paki army genrols are jihadis in uniform. How do you 'deter' them?

For all the praises the Israelis receive, will they be able to flush out Hamas anytime soon? And they are not even a state!



They will 'rebuild' fuck all. I have been hearing about these supposed 'modernization efforts' of their aand forces for over a decade now. What changed?

They receive those IMF/WB bailouts/loans periodically every few years. What changed?

Jernails are a single malt sipping, cigar puffing, rolex wearing, mercedes benz riding class who dont believe in islamic hocus pocus. A cost needs to be imposed on them and their families through drones, car bombs or unknown bikers. A husband or a father lost in a terror incident should results multiple missing members in the jernails family. You threaten the safety of their near/dear ones and put their lifestyle at risk, they will get the message. Once the fauj has been degraded, how long can they hold on to power? We had the opportunity to seriously degrade their fauj this time and we let it pass.

Rebuild they will. They dont spend jackshit on their economy or people. So whatever loans that they receive will be channeled into jernails pockets and weapons purchases. Unkil Sam will authorize additional F16s, Turkey and China will more than willingly sell their sh.t. 40B will give you serious capabilities!! We can debate all we want about the quality, but a TB2 or HQ9 can still inflict damage.
 
Paki army genrols are jihadis in uniform. How do you 'deter' them?

For all the praises the Israelis receive, will they be able to flush out Hamas anytime soon? And they are not even a state!



They will 'rebuild' fuck all. I have been hearing about these supposed 'modernization efforts' of their aand forces for over a decade now. What changed?

They receive those IMF/WB bailouts/loans periodically every few years. What changed?

Modernization is expensive. Wars, even more so. Where is the money in pakiland? How will they buy anything? Those bailout programmes will continue for many many years and the money comes in tranches (dependent on a lot of T&C). It is not like they are going to have a billion $ lying in their coffers anytime soon.

On a related note, the chongs do not donate stuff like the burgerboys - not in significant nos, anyway. And the burgerboys only keep them afloat, just barely.

So how exactly will these goatfuckers make up for their losses and plan ahead in time for the 'next round'?
If Pakistan army are jehadi and by your logic we cannot defeat them then what's the point of starting he conflict ?
Just today there is another attack by TRF in Kashmir , so by your logic we shouldn't do anything because we cannot defeat them .

We are ok to be strip searched and killed and do nothing because we cannot defeat them ..
 
If Pakistan army are jehadi and by your logic we cannot defeat them then what's the point of starting he conflict ?
Just today there is another attack by TRF in Kashmir , so by your logic we shouldn't do anything because we cannot defeat them .

You impose more and more costs and make incidents less and less frequent. I have shared SATP dashboard data multiple times on this forum before - insurgency in J&K is still at a historic low (despite Pahelgam) and incidents with casulaties in double digits did not take place for over 6 years.

If you think a conflict (of any magnitude) is going to bring the no of incidents to zero abruptly then you are living in some parallel universe.
 
Nothing is invisible. It's just hard to detect.

Handling jets means being able to keep up with outmaneuver the enemy jet.
In that case your plane radar will do jack shit and it will be up to your ground radar. Stealth jets cannot engage stealth jets lol.
 
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