Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Waanar]

Russia Unveils First AI-Powered Sukhoi Su-57M Fighter Jet. Here's How India Benefits - News18

The Indian Air Force (IAF), which operates over 270 Su-30MKI aircraft - the backbone of its combat fleet - has maintained strong defence ties with Russia since the 1990s.

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Observing how excellently Su-30MKI performed during full spectrum of air combat. We should immediately buy 5-6 squadrons of upgraded SU-57.

This should be immediate and government to government, and please don't allow these lethargic good for nothing babus who will take another 20 years just to show Russians how indispensable the babus are and by then we might have entered the era of 7th generation aircrafts.

Good performance by SU30 doesn't guarantee SU57 being the same way.

A fun little case study would be IS2 and IS3 tanks.
IS2 was designed in a hurry in late WW2 and put on the frontlines. It outdid itself in the war. When the war was over, they decided to design IS3 in peacetime.
This is when the USSR economy is stabilizing and they don't have Nazi Germany breathing down their neck so obviously, the newer one will be better right?
Wrong.
Thing would have so many issues, it was almost immediately retired.

Until Russia itself adopts a sizeable number of SU57, we shouldn't be their beta testers.
Test your SU57s, show the world how reliable and capable they are, adopt them yourself then Indian baniya comes in rubbing his hands.

Till then, no.
Reason why India has bought so many planes from Russia also has the reasoning of a strong logistical support for it. Russia has some thousands MiGs? Surely, they have a surplus of spare parts to... Well... Spare.

This doesn't apply for SU57s yet.

 

[Master of Indus]

Good performance by SU30 doesn't guarantee SU57 being the same way.

A fun little case study would be IS2 and IS3 tanks.
IS2 was designed in a hurry in late WW2 and put on the frontlines. It outdid itself in the war. When the war was over, they decided to design IS3 in peacetime.
This is when the USSR economy is stabilizing and they don't have Nazi Germany breathing down their neck so obviously, the newer one will be better right?
Wrong.
Thing would have so many issues, it was almost immediately retired.

Until Russia itself adopts a sizeable number of SU57, we shouldn't be their beta testers.
Test your SU57s, show the world how reliable and capable they are, adopt them yourself then Indian baniya comes in rubbing his hands.

Till then, no.
Reason why India has bought so many planes from Russia also has the reasoning of a strong logistical support for it. Russia has some thousands MiGs? Surely, they have a surplus of spare parts to... Well... Spare.

This doesn't apply for SU57s yet.

Arey mere bhai kuch toh lelo? Something is better than nothing in a war scenario!

Also, leave development of mk2 / tedbf xyzd ymkop especially AMCA etc by HAL Babus, we should procure immediately to fill the upcomming gaps, which HAL can never fill on-time. SU-57 seems a viable option and a stop-gap. I Hope you don't want PAF fags one day coming and giving a chummi to everyone in Delhi.

 

[crazywithmath]

Reality is ofc Doland said "I will tariff you if you don't stop beating my pet bitch with a stick" and Leaderji went "YES SAAR".

The orange retard has since claimed that he did not say anything like that and that mediawallahs were putting their words in his mouth. He has also on record with his admission that he did not play 'that big a role'.

He is just bullshitting, they kept pounding the pakroaches even after Rubio's calls to Jaishankar because the latter demanded a call from their DGMO.

And now, they are totally ignoring Uncle Sam in their responses. If it were truly that big a deal they wouldn't do it - remember Pannun saga? How they kept acting like a good boy before the umreekans?

 

[Numero]

Jaishankar has proven to be an abject failure. All the laser eyes rhetoric notwithstanding, he has strained our relationship with Russia, complicated things with EU and US is highly mercurial right now.

I would say Ambani did more to mend fences with Trump than Jaishankar. No wonder the multiparty delegations were launched post Operation Sindoor as a show of diplomatic strength.

You were alright until you complained about multi party delegation.
The delegations were a manifestation to the world that India is united in the critical times & it's also about sending the best vocal leaders with good communication skill & knowledge on geopolitics so that the world can be convinced.
This is way different than yapping about national politics on Zee News.

 

[INDIAFIRST]

If India took a loss of may be 300Cr, then it must have made sure that porkies must have taken a hit of 2000CR

 

[Blood+]

Diplomacy is where interests intersect and alliances form or where differences run parallel and conflicts arise.

Going forward, India will most likely proceed as follows.

Military Requirements :

• Russia --> S400/ Su 30MKI & AL 31F/ Voronezh Radar/ P 77/ Scramjet (BrahMos 2)/ Su 57 (~40 possible limited procurement)/ Gaganyaan
• France --> Scorpene NG (3 additional submarines), Rafale F4 (~36-54 additional for air force)
• Israel --> MRSAM/ Iron Dome/ Trophy APS/ MF STAR (~7 for P17B)/ C-UAS
• EU --> Type 212CD (~6 P75I for TKMS Germany)/ C295 (~100+ by CASA)/ A330MRT (~6 air refueling tankers by Airbus)
• US --> GE F404, GE F414, GE LM2500

Diplomatic Alignment :

• Russia --> Energy, Military, Investment, UNSC, Trade
• Israel --> Military, Investment, Trade
• Iran --> Energy, Trade, Chabahar Port, ME Power Play, Monkey balancing vs Israel
• China --> Investment, Trade
• EU --> Energy (via Russia), Investment, Military, Trade, Monkey balancing vs Russia
• US --> Energy, Investment, Military, UNSC, Trade

I don't think we need them for scramjets anymore.

 

[chnvipgz]

This 'expert' is like all those useless experts, which are nothing in meaning. I wonder how anyone endure useless opinions. Certainly, it's not meant to give any attention.

Brahma and susu swamy are cia puppets one worked in Japan other for usa they both tried to infiltrate modi cabinet luke nadda but unsuccessful.

 

[vampyrbladez]

You were alright until you complained about multi party delegation.
The delegations were a manifestation to the world that India is united in the critical times & it's also about sending the best vocal leaders with good communication skill & knowledge on geopolitics so that the world can be convinced.
This is way different than yapping about national politics on Zee News.

I am for the multi party delegations especially after the fuck up from MEA. Everything about the way they handled Operation Sindoor is atrocious.

• Press briefings

The foreign secretary, Vikram Misri appeared nervous and couldn't pronounce Hindi words during the presser. He started with floral language that wasn't media friendly in an environment where narrative is key.

Col. Qureshi and Wg Cdr. Singh lacked media training and appeared nervous or uncertain at times and often cutting into each other's thoughts. There appears to be no rehearsal, pre-briefings, etc to prepare them on body language, tone and objectives.

The whole briefing segments appeared ad hoc and lacked the finesse that the DGMOs brought to the table. This idea of 'Nari Shakti' virtue signaling was not welcomed by the West and didn't earn any brownie points from anyone besides WhatsApp boomers.



Later on it was found that his daughter Didon Misri was a legal aide to Rohingya refugees and he had to block his twitter account in disgrace due to trolling on SM.

• Warning Pakistan before attacking the terror camps

Who the hell would do anything like this? You are telling the OPFOR that you are going to strike them and won't do any SEAD/DEAD and are expecting no response in good faith?

These MEA idiots almost setup the IAF for heavy losses. It's a small miracle that we only have 2 probably losses (Rafale - Bhatinda, Punjab and Mig 29UPG - Ramban, J&K).


View: https://x.com/amitmalviya/status/1923759166281125910

This happens to be the only criticism from Tom Cooper regarding Operation Sindoor.

Q: How would you have conducted the terror strikes and prepared for Pakistani retaliation if you were the Indians?

As mentioned above, I would do what India did from 8 to 10 May, but right away: no ‘limited retaliation strike on terror camps’, but ‘(nuclear) disarmament of Pakistan’.

India-Pakistan, Additional Details, Part 2 & Q&A

(…continued from Part 1)

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[chnvipgz]

Drone warfare,starlink nodes can help in swarming .India needs it's own drone mic .


View: https://youtu.be/RmfNUM2CbbM?si=XIoQbD9jwI9IBKKh

 

[Sanglamorre]

You were alright until you complained about multi party delegation.
The delegations were a manifestation to the world that India is united in the critical times & it's also about sending the best vocal leaders with good communication skill & knowledge on geopolitics so that the world can be convinced.
This is way different than yapping about national politics on Zee News.

What multi party delegation is a very clever open political challenge. Sending people for it can be construed as political buy-in for past and future pork banging. Also shows that BJP tried to bridge the gap between opposition. So if they refuse:
1. They don't wish well for India. Couldn't even set aside differences with BJP to work for India
2. Pakistani party

 

[Decahex]

Arey mere bhai kuch toh lelo? Something is better than nothing in a war scenario!

Also, leave development of mk2 / tedbf xyzd ymkop especially AMCA etc by HAL Babus, we should procure immediately to fill the upcomming gaps, which HAL can never fill on-time. SU-57 seems a viable option and a stop-gap. I Hope you don't want PAF fags one day coming and giving a chummi to everyone in Delhi.

The Chinese have much more experience in manufacturing fifth generation aircrafts than the Russians. It was already criticized by IAF a decade ago, the same IAF which has been a loyal and bulk customer of Sukhoi and Russian aviation. To further add skepticism, not even the Russians are buying it in the numbers they should be if they want to challenge the Americans. Is merely possessing a fifth generation fighter, even if it is a flawed, untested, openly declared as an underpowered product enough of a deterrent for China and a PAF that has somehow gotten hold of the J-35 before Chinese sixth generation fighters have been launched? Or is this irrational desperation?

 

[Numero]

I am for the multi party delegations especially after the fuck up from MEA. Everything about the way they handled Operation Sindoor is atrocious.

• Press briefings

The foreign secretary, Vikram Misri appeared nervous and couldn't pronounce Hindi words during the presser. He started with floral language that wasn't media friendly in an environment where narrative is key.

Col. Qureshi and Wg Cdr. Singh lacked media training and appeared nervous or uncertain at times and often cutting into each other's thoughts. There appears to be no rehearsal, pre-briefings, etc to prepare them on body language, tone and objectives.

The whole briefing segments appeared ad hoc and lacked the finesse that the DGMOs brought to the table. This idea of 'Nari Shakti' virtue signaling was not welcomed by the West and didn't earn any brownie points from anyone besides WhatsApp boomers.

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Later on it was found that his daughter Didon Misri was a legal aide to Rohingya refugees and he had to block his twitter account in disgrace due to trolling on SM.

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• Warning Pakistan before attacking the terror camps

Who the hell would do anything like this? You are telling the OPFOR that you are going to strike them and won't do any SEAD/DEAD and are expecting no response in good faith?

These MEA idiots almost setup the IAF for heavy losses. It's a small miracle that we only have 2 probably losses (Rafale - Bhatinda, Punjab and Mig 29UPG - Ramban, J&K).


View: https://x.com/amitmalviya/status/1923759166281125910

This happens to be the only criticism from Tom Cooper regarding Operation Sindoor.

India-Pakistan, Additional Details, Part 2 & Q&A

(…continued from Part 1)

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Attest to everything but imho multi party delegations have nothing to do with media management or selective blunder. It has more to do with sending signals to the adversaries & making sure that all parties are on the same stage when it comes to the collective India.
In the rest of the points your right. So many things have been mismanaged.

 

[Cyclops]

Bhai wannar,

Russia is in a war and they have no money. The money they have is for people to survive and for ukrain war.

Also the development was not going because of nozzle and al51 . Now both of them are coming up nice.

Which fifth gen fighter is war proven ? Only su57 and f35 have been used a few time. And f35 facing lots of problem with maintenance.

So people who giving this argument of : not war proven are them selves blinded.

Also they don’t get western hardware because they are fighting against them.

As a Jv we will not have same level of problems.

Ab tum agar kuch paisa doge apne plot bech ke toh wo bhi le lenge russi toh. Bech de bhai desh ke naam pe.

Aur ab jab ye su57 m bahu sa banke aa jayega toh tum sabse pehle profile pic lagao ge.

I think DRDO has a better idea today of what they require vis-a-vis 5th gen tech.

If the Russians are going to give us decent tech wrt certification and mass production like advanced additive manufacturing, help establish test facilities, etc then I don't care if we go ahead with the Su-57s.

I'm sure the DRDO and the government know what they want and what they have to extract out of the Russians.

 

[Ajatshatru]

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[shankyz]

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[ezsasa]

Congratulations @FIELD MARSHAL SAHWNSTEIN , you have company.

Army chief Gen Asim Munir promoted to field marshal​

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[fire starter]

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[Doreamon]

Online talks in twitter , youtube says we used khagantak 225 glide bomb . There was a news of khagantak being integrated to su30 in April .. This glide bomb looks damn impressive. Only 243 kg , 108 kg warhead and range of 180km !! Hammer range for example is probably 70km . At 150-180 km standoff distance our aircrafts can safely lunch munition and return home .

 

[sameer]

There are many people who hates the idea of fifth generation fighter buy. May be they are porkis or anti india gang.

Who just don’t understand that next war will be two or three front. And it’s coming very soon.

India will be left with no defence without new procurements. May be buy current stage su57 m as mark 1 and meanwhile develope next few sqad for more Jv orientation.

But say in 5 years with Chinese 500 fifth gen fighters and Paki with 2 squad of fifth gen we will be lagging far behind.

All the trolls who will play their been of amca will be delayed. It’s already 25 years too late. We need to speed up that project separately.

Aur ye Jo baja baja rahe hain ki 2030 me ayega su57 . They have zero knowledge about war time industrialisations.

What if AMCA project will be just like LCA? We must prepare for that we need parallel units to Hal and ada.

The Su57 has already been rejected by the IAF 9283 times.

It's has been deemed inadequate by the IAF for their operational needs. Per reports at that time barely anything in the bird met IAF's requirements and almost everything had to be upgraded, from engine, to avionics to radar and much much more.

RKS Bhaduria, air chief at that time clearly said he doesn't want it.

 

[FIELD MARSHAL SAHWNSTEIN]

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Army chief Gen Asim Munir promoted to field marshal​

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Breaking: Pakistan Govt Approves Promotion of Army Chief Gen Asim Munir to Field Marshal Rank

Pakistan’s government has approved the promotion of Army Chief General Asim Munir to the rank of Field Marshal—marking a rare moment in the country’s military h

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2 more medals please! One more loss and he will be promoted to rank of hazrat. Welcome to the club my brother.