Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (41 Viewers)

Strong signs of Su 57 purchase are on the horizon. That is the only 5th gen (sort of) aircraft where we will have some level of control over weapons integration.
Like I've already explained, against Paki purchase of Chinese 5th gen FA, we don't need to panic buy 5th gen FA of our own, simply leverage their lack of a good AD and strategic depth, use our missiles to kill J35 on the ground.

Against PLAAF, this doesn't work. But still, instead of panic buying 5th gen FA, our main thrust should be getting a stealthy CCA like Ghatak operational ASAP with good IIR and radar modules, then develop BVR tactics that leverage these CCA as pickets ahead of our 4.5th gen FA. Use sensor netting to get firing solutions. Focus on ensuring the ability to replace loses and make a huge number of these CCA at a reasonable cost (indigenization of almost entire supply chain is possible)

In a parallel effort, proliferate MANPADs (DRDO VSHORADs), their IIR seekers can target Chinese 5th gen and they will be stationed in Himalayas, so their reach will be enough to hit even high flying Chinese 5th gen FA. Use L band and VHF band radars for cues on where the a Chinese 5gen FA are, so MANPADs can be deployed on time and location.

This is stuff we can do on our own without relying on others and present an asymmetrical but viable defense against enemy 5th gen FA.


Make these and AMCA the focus of our funding. If you still have spare funds after that, consider Su57 panic buy / amca de-risk buy
 
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Most of India's peacenik stances are courtesy of the MEA worrying about 'log kya kahenge'.

Post op analysis clearly shows that the IAF was restrained until a Haft missile flew and was intercepted over Sirsa, Haryana. After that some major asses were ripped apart and IAF got the free hand to do whatever it wanted.
It's not log kya kahenge. If the top boss' 2/3 kids are settled in USA along with his subordinates' kids, they can't take decisions that would make 3 letter agencies visit their kids.
 
what were the chance that chines satellite helped porkies in this Operation Sindoor, and what is the likely chance that the pokies tell chinese to upgrade their AD system and train the porkies soldiers...
Me too believe that if we don't have 5th generation craft, then till we get lets upgrade the loopholes as said by one member here, and we have intelligent and brilliant people in these fields which can get the best jugaad so as to give an ample shock to chinese....
 
Congratulations @FIELD MARSHAL SAHWNSTEIN , you have company. :pound:

Army chief Gen Asim Munir promoted to field marshal​


With that 1971 ka badla le liya. Showbaaz was shouting that India’s “defeat” was revenge for 1971. So like FM Sam Maneckshaw, Mullah muneer also elevated. Sem3sem. Someone tell Pakis FM Maneckshaw was not hiding in a bunker at the height of the ops.
 
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Most of India's peacenik stances are courtesy of the MEA worrying about 'log kya kahenge'.

Post op analysis clearly shows that the IAF was restrained until a Haft missile flew and was intercepted over Sirsa, Haryana. After that some major asses were ripped apart and IAF got the free hand to do whatever it wanted.

It's not log kya kahenge. If the top boss' 2/3 kids are settled in USA along with his subordinates' kids, they can't take decisions that would make 3 letter agencies visit their kids.

It's less of the IFS suits and more of our beloved Leaderji not wanting to burn India's precious ekanami and manuphacturing potential over the long and dirty wrestling of a certain Pig Mulq in order to kill or disable it for some time.

Ofc this is not in Leaderji's hands, the Swine Mulq is asking for it and Leaderji will be forced to make the nation step into the muck to finish this once and for all.
 
France should go all out to dispel doubts and disprove the claims of failure, about the Rafale.
No serious military thinks some platform is crap because one of them allegedly went down in combat. That would mean they're looking to get invulnerable platforms... Which is not a real thing.

This deal was never going to go through. It's Indonesia. They don't have the cash for 42 Rafale+ upkeep, let's be real.

They're going to buy some Korean first copy of American jets or some older American jets in the end.
 
It's less of the IFS suits and more of our beloved Leaderji not wanting to burn India's precious ekanami and manuphacturing potential over the long and dirty wrestling of a certain Pig Mulq in order to kill or disable it for some time.

Ofc this is not in Leaderji's hands, the Swine Mulq is asking for it and Leaderji will be forced to make the nation step into the muck to finish this once and for all.
That's the only thing keeping me going these days after the legendary KLPD. Every day i go to bed hoping when I wake up I hear either Pakistan or India has fired missiles at each other.
 
The New World Order that has emerged post 2008 is effectively a G2 one. (US sphere of influence vs China sphere of influence). Russians and Iranians have been relegated to tertiary powers.

Military Sphere of Influence
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Economic Sphere of Influence
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The world has moved from American Exceptionalism (Globalization) to America First (Isolationism). With time, everything from technology to supply lines will change or become incompatible with the other side. Trump has kickstarted the process in a big way.

US and China put away their differences and signed a trade deal the moment India hit Pakistan's nuclear facilities. It was a moment when G2 consensus was reached regarding the containment of an emerging third power (India).





Trump needs money to finance his debts and has moved to Saudi Arabia-Qatar-UAE for money and sold the soul of US to the Muslim Brotherhood. His attempt at a shakedown using tariffs backfired spectacularly and DOGE hasn't made any significant cuts to spending.





For this very thing, he has kicked even Netanyahu and Israel to the curb.




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The Russians have been left out in the cold as well. They haven't been able to get Trump to lift sanctions and force the Ukrainians to agree to give away eastern Ukraine away to the Russians and get guarantees of no NATO membership.



However Jaishankar's lukewarm diplomacy with the Russians have them appearing to be non-committal on our military action during Operation Sindoor against Pakistan.



155mm artillery ammunition supplied by India to Europeans ended up with Ukraine and was very likely used against Russians. Despite highlighting their concerns, we did nothing.



It certainly doesn't help that giving unsolicited advice to Russians in a combat zone would sour their interest in furthering India's diplomatic stance regarding Operation Sindoor.


This is a long version of what I have posted above. Excellent details and a slight hint of what is to come.

 
Like I've already explained, against Paki purchase of Chinese 5th gen FA, we don't need to panic buy 5th gen FA of our own, simply leverage their lack of a good AD and strategic depth, use our missiles to kill J35 on the ground.

Against PLAAF, this doesn't work. But still, instead of panic buying 5th gen FA, our main thrust should be getting a stealthy CCA like Ghatak operational ASAP with good IIR and radar modules, then develop BVR tactics that leverage these CCA as pickets ahead of our 4.5th gen FA. Use sensor netting to get firing solutions. Focus on ensuring the ability to replace loses and make a huge number of these CCA at a reasonable cost (indigenization of almost entire supply chain is possible)

In a parallel effort, proliferate MANPADs (DRDO VSHORADs), their IIR seekers can target Chinese 5th gen and they will be stationed in Himalayas, so their reach will be enough to hit even high flying Chinese 5th gen FA. Use L band and VHF band radars for cues on where the a Chinese 5gen FA are, so MANPADs can be deployed on time and location.

This is stuff we can do on our own without relying on others and present an asymmetrical but viable defense against enemy 5th gen FA.


Make these and AMCA the focus of our funding. If you still have spare funds after that, consider Su57 panic buy / amca de-risk buy
Good suggestions. Just to add to this & your previous post , the definitive Su-57 version was to come equipped with the Item 30 or Izdeliye 30 TF.

It's understood that the fitting onto the Su-57 has been accomplish in 2022-23 & is currently being tested . It should receive its FOC in another 2-3 years.

Hence the decision if at all to procure the Su-57 will be made then . This doesn't help our case at all for the entire process of negotiations acquisition customising & training of it will take a good 10-12 years at the very least post the certification .

That would make it 2040 whereas we're expected to go up against China by 2030.

Right now we'd be better served in plugging any gaps in the IADS besides improving on them , improve our intelligence , cyber warfare , radar detection systems independent of the IADS , ISR capabilities especially space based assets ( 50 satellites under the SBS -3 program is the bare minimum. We need at least another 100-200 more at the very least plus counter capabilities in space to tackle the Chinese space assets ) , etc .

I would plumb in for the induction before 2030 of more Rafales preferably divorced from the MMRCA 2.0 / MRFA requirements of MII of the remaining 2 squadrons whose bases & ISE we've already paid for & if it is possible to do so within 3 years , get on board with Dassault to fund their GaN based radar which the French are planning for a post 2030 induction.

These are the non negotiable absolute bare minimum we must draw up our plans for if we seriously intend to take on the Chinese.
 
No serious military thinks some platform is crap because one of them allegedly went down in combat. That would mean they're looking to get invulnerable platforms... Which is not a real thing.

This deal was never going to go through. It's Indonesia. They don't have the cash for 42 Rafale+ upkeep, let's be real.

They're going to buy some Korean first copy of American jets or some older American jets in the end.

Indogesia's procurement is that they are buying Rafale, F-15, Korean Boramae and before shitting themselves over CAATSA, the Su-35 too
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