Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[haldilal]

 

[shade2]

Most of India's peacenik stances are courtesy of the MEA worrying about 'log kya kahenge'.

Post op analysis clearly shows that the IAF was restrained until a Haft missile flew and was intercepted over Sirsa, Haryana. After that some major asses were ripped apart and IAF got the free hand to do whatever it wanted.

It's not log kya kahenge. If the top boss' 2/3 kids are settled in USA along with his subordinates' kids, they can't take decisions that would make 3 letter agencies visit their kids.

It's less of the IFS suits and more of our beloved Leaderji not wanting to burn India's precious ekanami and manuphacturing potential over the long and dirty wrestling of a certain Pig Mulq in order to kill or disable it for some time.

Ofc this is not in Leaderji's hands, the Swine Mulq is asking for it and Leaderji will be forced to make the nation step into the muck to finish this once and for all.

 

[Sanglamorre]

France should go all out to dispel doubts and disprove the claims of failure, about the Rafale.

No serious military thinks some platform is crap because one of them allegedly went down in combat. That would mean they're looking to get invulnerable platforms... Which is not a real thing.

This deal was never going to go through. It's Indonesia. They don't have the cash for 42 Rafale+ upkeep, let's be real.

They're going to buy some Korean first copy of American jets or some older American jets in the end.

 

[Sanglamorre]

It's less of the IFS suits and more of our beloved Leaderji not wanting to burn India's precious ekanami and manuphacturing potential over the long and dirty wrestling of a certain Pig Mulq in order to kill or disable it for some time.

Ofc this is not in Leaderji's hands, the Swine Mulq is asking for it and Leaderji will be forced to make the nation step into the muck to finish this once and for all.

That's the only thing keeping me going these days after the legendary KLPD. Every day i go to bed hoping when I wake up I hear either Pakistan or India has fired missiles at each other.

 

[vampyrbladez]

The New World Order that has emerged post 2008 is effectively a G2 one. (US sphere of influence vs China sphere of influence). Russians and Iranians have been relegated to tertiary powers.

Military Sphere of Influence
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Economic Sphere of Influence
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The world has moved from American Exceptionalism (Globalization) to America First (Isolationism). With time, everything from technology to supply lines will change or become incompatible with the other side. Trump has kickstarted the process in a big way.

US and China put away their differences and signed a trade deal the moment India hit Pakistan's nuclear facilities. It was a moment when G2 consensus was reached regarding the containment of an emerging third power (India).

Tariffs: Will a US-China deal foil India's factory ambitions?

The US-China trade "reset" could stall the manufacturing investment coming into India, say experts.

www.bbc.com

What global nuclear watchdog said on 'radiation leak' at Pakistan facility

Social media have been abuzz with speculation about a possible nuclear leak at Pakistan's Kirana Hills, which is believed to be a storage facility for nuclear warheads.

www.indiatoday.in

Trump needs money to finance his debts and has moved to Saudi Arabia-Qatar-UAE for money and sold the soul of US to the Muslim Brotherhood. His attempt at a shakedown using tariffs backfired spectacularly and DOGE hasn't made any significant cuts to spending.

The Economic Effects of President Trump’s Tariffs — Penn Wharton Budget Model

Many trade models fail to capture the full harm of tariffs. PWBM projects Trump’s tariffs (April 8, 2025) would reduce GDP by about 8% and wages by 7%. A middle-income household faces a $58K lifetime loss. These losses are twice as large as a revenue-equivalent corporate tax increase from 21% to 36%

budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu

Why DOGE failed

Elon Musk rode into Washington, D.C., with a chainsaw and a big promise: He would cut "at least $2 trillion" in government spending. Less than four months

reason.com

For this very thing, he has kicked even Netanyahu and Israel to the curb.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/18/world/middleeast/trump-israel-netanyahu-gulf.html

Report: Trump threatens to 'abandon' Israel if Gaza war continues

Washington Post reports Trump ramping up pressure on Netanyahu amid Gaza offensive and aid crisis, warning Israel to end the war or risk losing US support, according to a source familiar with the talks

www.ynetnews.com

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The Russians have been left out in the cold as well. They haven't been able to get Trump to lift sanctions and force the Ukrainians to agree to give away eastern Ukraine away to the Russians and get guarantees of no NATO membership.

Trump-Putin call exposes shifting ground on Ukraine peace talks

Statements from both world leaders reveal two very different realities about ending the war in Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

However Jaishankar's lukewarm diplomacy with the Russians have them appearing to be non-committal on our military action during Operation Sindoor against Pakistan.

Russia deeply concerned over rising tensions between India, Pakistan — diplomat

Maria Zakharova stressed out that Russia calls on the parties concerned to exercise restraint in order to prevent the situation in the region from escalating

tass.com

155mm artillery ammunition supplied by India to Europeans ended up with Ukraine and was very likely used against Russians. Despite highlighting their concerns, we did nothing.

https://archive.is/20250128120043/https://www.reuters.com/world/ammunition-india-enters-ukraine-raising-russian-ire-2024-09-19/

It certainly doesn't help that giving unsolicited advice to Russians in a combat zone would sour their interest in furthering India's diplomatic stance regarding Operation Sindoor.

Jaishankar says India is looking for partners, not preachers; highlights New Delhi's 'Russia realism'

India's EAM advocates for realism in Russia and America relations, emphasising the importance of mutual interests and partnerships.

www.thehindu.com

This is a long version of what I have posted above. Excellent details and a slight hint of what is to come.

Dollar Vs Dharma: The Battle for Global Order

In a rapidly transforming global order, the United States finds itself at a crossroads.

nitishastra.substack.com

 

[crazywithmath]

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The most credible media org in the world right now, lulz.

Has been running agenda since May 7th.

 

[vampyrbladez]

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Super happy if this happens.

@BON PLAN we get the Rafales at a discount. Meanwhile a future threat is delayed by a decade.

 

[Azaad]

Like I've already explained, against Paki purchase of Chinese 5th gen FA, we don't need to panic buy 5th gen FA of our own, simply leverage their lack of a good AD and strategic depth, use our missiles to kill J35 on the ground.

Against PLAAF, this doesn't work. But still, instead of panic buying 5th gen FA, our main thrust should be getting a stealthy CCA like Ghatak operational ASAP with good IIR and radar modules, then develop BVR tactics that leverage these CCA as pickets ahead of our 4.5th gen FA. Use sensor netting to get firing solutions. Focus on ensuring the ability to replace loses and make a huge number of these CCA at a reasonable cost (indigenization of almost entire supply chain is possible)

In a parallel effort, proliferate MANPADs (DRDO VSHORADs), their IIR seekers can target Chinese 5th gen and they will be stationed in Himalayas, so their reach will be enough to hit even high flying Chinese 5th gen FA. Use L band and VHF band radars for cues on where the a Chinese 5gen FA are, so MANPADs can be deployed on time and location.

This is stuff we can do on our own without relying on others and present an asymmetrical but viable defense against enemy 5th gen FA.


Make these and AMCA the focus of our funding. If you still have spare funds after that, consider Su57 panic buy / amca de-risk buy

Good suggestions. Just to add to this & your previous post , the definitive Su-57 version was to come equipped with the Item 30 or Izdeliye 30 TF.

It's understood that the fitting onto the Su-57 has been accomplish in 2022-23 & is currently being tested . It should receive its FOC in another 2-3 years.

Hence the decision if at all to procure the Su-57 will be made then . This doesn't help our case at all for the entire process of negotiations acquisition customising & training of it will take a good 10-12 years at the very least post the certification .

That would make it 2040 whereas we're expected to go up against China by 2030.

Right now we'd be better served in plugging any gaps in the IADS besides improving on them , improve our intelligence , cyber warfare , radar detection systems independent of the IADS , ISR capabilities especially space based assets ( 50 satellites under the SBS -3 program is the bare minimum. We need at least another 100-200 more at the very least plus counter capabilities in space to tackle the Chinese space assets ) , etc .

I would plumb in for the induction before 2030 of more Rafales preferably divorced from the MMRCA 2.0 / MRFA requirements of MII of the remaining 2 squadrons whose bases & ISE we've already paid for & if it is possible to do so within 3 years , get on board with Dassault to fund their GaN based radar which the French are planning for a post 2030 induction.

These are the non negotiable absolute bare minimum we must draw up our plans for if we seriously intend to take on the Chinese.

 

[shade2]

No serious military thinks some platform is crap because one of them allegedly went down in combat. That would mean they're looking to get invulnerable platforms... Which is not a real thing.

This deal was never going to go through. It's Indonesia. They don't have the cash for 42 Rafale+ upkeep, let's be real.

They're going to buy some Korean first copy of American jets or some older American jets in the end.

Indogesia's procurement is that they are buying Rafale, F-15, Korean Boramae and before shitting themselves over CAATSA, the Su-35 too
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[indrajit]

The real reply to Paki getting J35 should be a massive increase in our offensive missile forces. Our objective should be to neutralize the J35 in the airbases before they can take off. Pakis can't easily remedy their lackluster AD. And missiles are our strength, so leverage our strength and enemy weakness, make taking down J35 on Paki airbases an operational objective at least, if not a strategic objective. Its not like they'll buy more than a squadron of J35, its not many targets even if they're hidden in HAS.

We have already set the stage that next time, we will hit Paki Armed Forces directly, no "terrorist targets only hit" drama like 2019 or this time. So we can easily take out J35 on ground itself.

Yet here we see members running helter skelter wondering which 5th gen FA we will buy to fight off Paki J35 smh..... we will need 5th gen FA against PLAAF, not PAF.

Completely agree. Since we have decided we are going to do stand off strikes, buying a whole lot of Rafales is pointless. We will need some, i don't see the Tejas in numbers anytime soon given engine & other issues but we need numbers. We also need to reimagine how we want to deliver missiles. A P8 or equivalent aircraft would deliver missiles in bulk, staying out of danger zone.

Btw, what do guys here think about over the horizon radars like Jindalee? Will detect any stealth aircraft & while expensive, the kind of ranges that it operates with is ridiculous.

 

[Muzh]

I know of the SAAW, but what I meant to ask is whether they come with such specialized anti-runway warheads or just plane old High Explosive ones.

Strictly speaking, you do not necessarily need special bombs to destroy a runway, any bomb capable of creating big crater in the middle of a runway would do the job.

Having said that, it helps to have special bombs that can penetrate the surface and then explode; this is more efficient.

To the best of my knowledge, all major air forces in the world use anti-runway penetration bombs. I am assuming our IAF is not an exception.

JP233 is British and Durandal is french. They are both excellent anti-runway penetration bombs. I personally think we use our homegrown bombs for this purpose. I do not have definite information on this one.

I hope this was helpful.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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"Performance doubts" the indos don't have the money for this. They are notorious window shoppers. indos didn't even pay koreans the 40% dev cost of the KF-21 like they were supposed to. They'll buy some T-50s and some second hand F-16s and call it a day.

 

[Yt2211]

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[sameer]

Indogesia's procurement is that they are buying Rafale, F-15, Korean Boramae and before shitting themselves over CAATSA, the Su-35 too
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They're being shut out of the KF21 too after 2 baboons were caught stealing the proprietary tech in their usb drive.

Since then Honorary Gora sahib has been trying to throw the baboons out. There are some rumors going around that Poles will take up the share if they leave.

Indonesia caught in attempted theft of S. Korean fighter jet secrets

Indonesia caught in attempted theft of S. Korean fighter jet secrets

www.chosun.com

 

[RaptorKiller]

Guys, what is your opinion on Su57 vs J20 vs J35A. Consider the following factors:

(i) Su57 has AL51F enginees with 167 kN Afterburning thrust vs 145 kN of J20 vs 110 kN of J35A
(ii) Frontal RCS of Su57 0.1 m^2 vs 0.05 m^2 of J20 and somewhat in the range 0.05 to 0.1m^2 for J35.
(iii) Su57 has Beylka AESA radar with 2322 TR modules in total providing 360 degree coverage, estimated range of 400 km vs 5 m^2 RCS target. J20 has KLJ5 AESA with 1856 TR modules range unknown. J35 uses a version of KLJ7A (which is radar of JF17 Block3 but upgraded) range unknown.
(iv) Su57 has IRIST but lacks EOTS whereas J20 and J35 has EOTS, other avionics like MAWS, onboard ECM are standard in all.
(v) Su57 would be carrying R37M externally and R77M (180km range dual pulse, not sure if its operational) internally in 4 numbers, 2 short range R74M Archer. If we can integrate Astra mk3 then it becomes a different beast altogether. While, J20 and J35 will be carrying PL15 (max 200km not 300km as misquoted often), PL10E and PL21 and PL17 in future.

So, considering all the facts, it seems Su57 and J20 both would pickup each near simmilar range because Su57's radar is better but J20's stealth is bit better. And depending upon missiles R77M and PL15 should give simmilar performance. While, Su57 will crush J35A, simply because J35A's radar is much inferior and stealth is somewhat worse than J20, so Su57 will pick it up first will have first shot.

What do you think?

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Btw, what do guys here think about over the horizon radars like Jindalee? Will detect any stealth aircraft & while expensive, the kind of ranges that it operates with is ridiculous.

Has Early Warning utility, won't give firing solutions. One major pro over our VHF radars apart from range is it negates any advantage enemy can get via terrain masking. But its susceptible to inclement weather...

 

[username unkown]

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Nothing to surprise over here just ruski media sucking chindi propaganda as usual

 

[Yt2211]

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[Migflug]

 

[Simon Riley]

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I Always thought that I would see a unicorn before a pakistani with brains, damn! Are there anymore "I hate to break it to you guys ,but we lost" posts on their forum?