Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[indrajit]

The real reply to Paki getting J35 should be a massive increase in our offensive missile forces. Our objective should be to neutralize the J35 in the airbases before they can take off. Pakis can't easily remedy their lackluster AD. And missiles are our strength, so leverage our strength and enemy weakness, make taking down J35 on Paki airbases an operational objective at least, if not a strategic objective. Its not like they'll buy more than a squadron of J35, its not many targets even if they're hidden in HAS.

We have already set the stage that next time, we will hit Paki Armed Forces directly, no "terrorist targets only hit" drama like 2019 or this time. So we can easily take out J35 on ground itself.

Yet here we see members running helter skelter wondering which 5th gen FA we will buy to fight off Paki J35 smh..... we will need 5th gen FA against PLAAF, not PAF.

Completely agree. Since we have decided we are going to do stand off strikes, buying a whole lot of Rafales is pointless. We will need some, i don't see the Tejas in numbers anytime soon given engine & other issues but we need numbers. We also need to reimagine how we want to deliver missiles. A P8 or equivalent aircraft would deliver missiles in bulk, staying out of danger zone.

Btw, what do guys here think about over the horizon radars like Jindalee? Will detect any stealth aircraft & while expensive, the kind of ranges that it operates with is ridiculous.

 

[Muzh]

I know of the SAAW, but what I meant to ask is whether they come with such specialized anti-runway warheads or just plane old High Explosive ones.

Strictly speaking, you do not necessarily need special bombs to destroy a runway, any bomb capable of creating big crater in the middle of a runway would do the job.

Having said that, it helps to have special bombs that can penetrate the surface and then explode; this is more efficient.

To the best of my knowledge, all major air forces in the world use anti-runway penetration bombs. I am assuming our IAF is not an exception.

JP233 is British and Durandal is french. They are both excellent anti-runway penetration bombs. I personally think we use our homegrown bombs for this purpose. I do not have definite information on this one.

I hope this was helpful.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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"Performance doubts" the indos don't have the money for this. They are notorious window shoppers. indos didn't even pay koreans the 40% dev cost of the KF-21 like they were supposed to. They'll buy some T-50s and some second hand F-16s and call it a day.

 

[Yt2211]

View: https://youtu.be/sP5E0Y9ITWQ?si=7DuQ9tKNQsh4hoNs

 

[sameer]

Indogesia's procurement is that they are buying Rafale, F-15, Korean Boramae and before shitting themselves over CAATSA, the Su-35 too
In effect it is this picture

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They're being shut out of the KF21 too after 2 baboons were caught stealing the proprietary tech in their usb drive.

Since then Honorary Gora sahib has been trying to throw the baboons out. There are some rumors going around that Poles will take up the share if they leave.

Indonesia caught in attempted theft of S. Korean fighter jet secrets

Indonesia caught in attempted theft of S. Korean fighter jet secrets

www.chosun.com

 

[RaptorKiller]

Guys, what is your opinion on Su57 vs J20 vs J35A. Consider the following factors:

(i) Su57 has AL51F enginees with 167 kN Afterburning thrust vs 145 kN of J20 vs 110 kN of J35A
(ii) Frontal RCS of Su57 0.1 m^2 vs 0.05 m^2 of J20 and somewhat in the range 0.05 to 0.1m^2 for J35.
(iii) Su57 has Beylka AESA radar with 2322 TR modules in total providing 360 degree coverage, estimated range of 400 km vs 5 m^2 RCS target. J20 has KLJ5 AESA with 1856 TR modules range unknown. J35 uses a version of KLJ7A (which is radar of JF17 Block3 but upgraded) range unknown.
(iv) Su57 has IRIST but lacks EOTS whereas J20 and J35 has EOTS, other avionics like MAWS, onboard ECM are standard in all.
(v) Su57 would be carrying R37M externally and R77M (180km range dual pulse, not sure if its operational) internally in 4 numbers, 2 short range R74M Archer. If we can integrate Astra mk3 then it becomes a different beast altogether. While, J20 and J35 will be carrying PL15 (max 200km not 300km as misquoted often), PL10E and PL21 and PL17 in future.

So, considering all the facts, it seems Su57 and J20 both would pickup each near simmilar range because Su57's radar is better but J20's stealth is bit better. And depending upon missiles R77M and PL15 should give simmilar performance. While, Su57 will crush J35A, simply because J35A's radar is much inferior and stealth is somewhat worse than J20, so Su57 will pick it up first will have first shot.

What do you think?

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Btw, what do guys here think about over the horizon radars like Jindalee? Will detect any stealth aircraft & while expensive, the kind of ranges that it operates with is ridiculous.

Has Early Warning utility, won't give firing solutions. One major pro over our VHF radars apart from range is it negates any advantage enemy can get via terrain masking. But its susceptible to inclement weather...

 

[Yt2211]

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[Migflug]

 

[Simon Riley]

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I Always thought that I would see a unicorn before a pakistani with brains, damn! Are there anymore "I hate to break it to you guys ,but we lost" posts on their forum?

 

[Azaad]

Has Early Warning utility, won't give firing solutions. One major pro over our VHF radars apart from range is it negates any advantage enemy can get via terrain masking. But its susceptible to inclement weather...

We're supposed to be shopping for the Voronezh EW & OTH radar system as per recent reports.

 

[silentassassin265]

France should go all out to dispel the doubts and disprove the claims of failure, about the Rafale.

Sadly french media is much like libtard indian media, they will always post aginst their own country even if it affects the buisness.
If someone tries this in burgerica or chongna they will be disappeared overnight

 

[jazzy_b]

Pakis are doing some kind of weird gambling with sikhs, they assume the entire lot hates India and will support napak chutiya fauj in the time of war.

 

[GauravB]

View: https://youtu.be/VRDc0dGTR9s?si=HhQymB8XgikxSrRn

Why no action is being taken on this sellout? Clearly he is on PLA payroll.
In whole video didn’t mentioned even once about 9-10th May
If PAF was that strategically strong where was it hiding with tail between his legs while IAF spat on not just 1 or 2 but 11 airbases.

 

[Prasad]

hese MEA idiots almost setup the IAF for heavy losses. It's a small miracle that we only have 2 probably losses (Rafale - Bhatinda, Punjab and Mig 29UPG - Ramban, J&K).

You have been desperately pushing these losses for IAF for a while now.

Where are you getting this info from when IAF denied any losses?

 

[Physx32]

Btw, what do guys here think about over the horizon radars like Jindalee? Will detect any stealth aircraft & while expensive, the kind of ranges that it operates with is ridiculous.

Yes, OTH radars will detect stealth jets. Jindalee operates in the 3-30 MHz band which is much lower than X and Ku bands for which stealth jets are optimised.

However, with such a big wavelength you'll get lower resolution data, so it'll not be useful for target acquisition. Still, it's a good system for early warning.

Tibet is mostly a cold desert with minimal thunderstorm activity. Hence, OTH systems will have higher reliability than in the oceans in tropical regions.

 

[vampyrbladez]

You have been desperately pushing these losses for IAF for a while now.

Where are you getting this info from when IAF denied any losses?

IAF DGMO clearly said that losses are a part of any military operation.

Given the severe damage metted out to Pakistan's airbases, terror training facilities, high tech aerial assets (C 130, Saab Erieye AWACS), fighter jets (1 x Mirage III, 1 x Mirage V, 1 x JF 17, 1 x F 16), C2I facilities (2 x NG-MMCC mobile C2 platform), nuclear weapon sites and the complete nullification of their SOWs, losing 2-3 jets, if any with fighter pilots RTB is an acceptable trade.

I won't post the images of the 2 suspected downed IAF jets, you can look them up on your own on Twitter and Telegram.

 

[Prasad]

IAF DGMO clearly said that losses are a part of any military operation.

Given the severe damage metted out to Pakistan's airbases, terror training facilities, high tech aerial assets (C 130, Saab Erieye AWACS), fighter jets (1 x Mirage III, 1 x Mirage V, 1 x JF 17, 1 x F 16), C2I facilities, nuclear weapon sites and the complete nullification of their SOWs, losing 2-3 jets, if any with fighter pilots RTB is an acceptable trade.

I won't post the images of the 2 suspected downed IAF jets, you can look them up on your own on Twitter and Telegram.

IAF also officially released statement that no planes were lost.

So, question is, why are you constantly trashing our own people and sharing false info about planes losses.

Show one statement from IAF where they said planes were lost?

 

[vampyrbladez]

IAF also officially released statement that no planes were lost.

So, question is, why are you constantly trashing our own people and sharing false info about planes losses.

Show one statement from IAF where they said planes were lost?

The difference between us and Pakistanis is that they remain delusional to the point of self harm while we remain pessimistic to the point of masochism.

“We are in a combat scenario, losses are a part of combat. The question you must ask us is... have we achieved our objective of decimating the terrorist camps? And the answer is a thumping yes. And the results are for the whole world to see,” Air Marshal Bharti said in response to a question from The Hindu at a briefing on Sunday, if the IAF had lost any fighter jets.

Operation Sindoor objectives achieved; losses are part of combat but pilots are back home, says IAF

Indian Air Force confirms achieving objectives of Operation Sindoor, declines to comment on aircraft losses, shot down some Pakistani aircraft.

www.thehindu.com

 

[Yt2211]

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