Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Decahex said:
In times of crisis, people become enthusiasts and experts in a heartbeat despite having barely superficial amount of knowledge about the subject. The amount of braindead takes I've heard over the years about Covid-19, pandemic economy, Russia-Ukraine war, Manipur crisis, blind Trump fellatio pre-2024 US election and what not has made me numb to these people and their glorious takes.

The "info war" was crushed the moment even Al Jazeera and NYT had to begrudgingly admit that IAF had bombed Paki airfields after witnessing images that were procured from private satellite firms. Even Chinki satellites had confirmed the successes of Indian attacks while there is 0 evidence of any real damage to any IAF base that could be verified by any satellite firms, no drone/missile footage was released by Porkis and the only thing they had to show for the whole fiasco was a grainy pic where nobody could even see an S-400. If there is a Porkie or doomer lurking in this thread, I would challenge them to conclusively identify the S-400 from the ISPR pic.

The real war was much worse. The "last laugh" Porkies had by launching a drone attack on the day after ceasefire was countered with ease and the only damage and loss of life it caused was with the debris falling on to people's homes (there is literally no evidence of any drone caused destruction in Indian side of the border). The only real deadly response they had was with their shelling which was duly answered in kind. India bombed Paki air force assets in broad daylight and disabled runways, air defense radars, a mobile command and a hangar with a Saab Erieye getting spitroasted inside it, among others (the C-130). If Operation Sindoor had escalated into a real war, no Paki aircraft would be able to take it to the skies and those that are already in the skies, would have no option but go for hard landing and risk damage and prolonged grounding for maintenance (at best) if they aren't destroyed by AAMs. We
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Are there people, preferably Indians, correcting and refuting the inaccuracies and falsehoods that other Indians propagate on X ( twitter) and other forums
 
Knowitall said:
India is putting itself in a dangerous spot with letting our entire line of future aircraft tejas tejas mk1A and tejas mk2 depend solely on American engines.

If Americans can stop weapon deliveries to their best buddy Israel for a few months over Gaza rest assured engine supply will be choked if India decides to escalate against pakistan.

The absolute shortsightedness is mind boggling and downright ridiculous. All the members here harping about how F-35 could end up being a hanger queen well guess what tejas is being literally set up to be a hanger queen.

Any diplomat worth its salt can see India and America are on a collision course wrt bangladesh and pakistan and yet we in our infinite wisdom let them gain control of airforce so easily.
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You know the guys talking about the IFS babooze with foreign settled spawn === Amerishart leverage?
That applies to any other class of baboo, uniform or "skilled" dhoti.
All together have played their part to cause this dependency.

If the commitment to strategic autonomy were concrete we would have atleast 3 versions of tejas with different engines so that there is redundancy, or just run with AL31FP based planes

"Russian engine MBTO === kachra, West engine is best" may be true from a technical perspective but it is only a fig-leaf to install such a dependency.

Lets hope they have enough stock of consoomable spares used for GE F404/F414 atleast we will be able to bang pakis for some time that way till whatever embargo puts a hard stop to it.
 
shade2 said:
You know the guys talking about the IFS babooze with foreign settled spawn === Amerishart leverage?
That applies to any other class of baboo, uniform or "skilled" dhoti.
All together have played their part to cause this dependency.

If the commitment to strategic autonomy were concrete we would have atleast 3 versions of tejas with different engines so that there is redundancy, or just run with AL31FP based planes

"Russian engine MBTO === kachra, West engine is best" may be true from a technical perspective but it is only a fig-leaf to install such a dependency.

Lets hope they have enough stock of consoomable spares used for GE F404/F414 atleast we will be able to bang pakis for some time that way till whatever embargo puts a hard stop to it.
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We as a society do not have a concept of long term thinking. There were quite a few people who were vehemently against buying GE engines; they were in favor of buying Russian engines even though Russian engines were supposedly inferior. Why? Because, US has a history of sanctioning India at critical junctures. Anyway, we all know what happened, so there is no point crying about the spilled milk now. I just hope we can learn from this and start long term planning before it is too late.

Let me give you an example of Russians within the context of what a long term planning means. When they realized, NATO was absolutely going to go for kill using Ukraine, they started to stockpile critical electronics and mechanical parts that they do not produce in Russia but were vital for their weapons' manufacturing. It is this foresight that saved them when NATO went for a total kill. If they had not done this, they would have been totally dependent on China. Actually, the elites in NATO, for this very reason, thought that Russian weapons manufacturing capabilities will come to a grinding halt after few months of war.

We need to anticipate future challenges well in advance and compose robust solution. It is not really that difficult to do, if we can reflect on what our values are as a nation, and how it will put us at an odd with not just Pakistan but few other major power brokers.

I recall, anytime when I talk about how many tanks or aircrafts or ships we need, I get smart ass remarks from fancy defense experts who cannot think beyond Pakistan.

I would strongly implore our military leadership to sit down and compile a list of what we would need ten or twenty years from now. This should be based on our national aspirations and how existing power brokers would attempt to impede the realization of our civilizational aspirations.
 
Muzh said:
We as a society do not have a concept of long term thinking. There were quite a few people who were vehemently against buying GE engines; they were in favor of buying Russian engines even though Russian engines were supposedly inferior. Why? Because, US has a history of sanctioning India at critical junctures. Anyway, we all know what happened, so there is no point crying about the spilled milk now. I just hope we can learn from this and start long term planning before it is too late.

Let me give you an example of Russians within the context of what a long term planning means. When they realized, NATO was absolutely going to go for kill using Ukraine, they started to stockpile critical electronics and mechanical parts that they do not produce in Russia but were vital for their weapons' manufacturing. It is this foresight that saved them when NATO went for a total kill. If they had not done this, they would have been totally dependent on China. Actually, the elites in NATO, for this very reason, thought that Russian weapons manufacturing capabilities will come to a grinding halt after few months of war.

We need to anticipate future challenges well in advance and compose robust solution. It is not really that difficult to do, if we can reflect on what our values are as a nation, and how it will put us at an odd with not just Pakistan but few other major power brokers.

I recall, anytime when I talk about how many tanks or aircrafts or ships we need, I get smart ass remarks from fancy defense experts who cannot think beyond Pakistan.

I would strongly implore our military leadership to sit down and compile a list of what we would need ten or twenty years from now. This should be based on our national aspirations and how existing power brokers would attempt to impede the realization of our civilizational aspirations.
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The Govt has long term thinking but that's only limited to the Ekanami/Manufacturing etc.

As for defence they don't pay attention and prefer to deal with "incidents" and "situations" that may arise( Paki terror attack with high casualties, Chong ambush Galwan ) in an ad-hoc manner.

Don't blame them, people don't understand defense, they don't vote for defense, one enemy is a beggar shithole limited to only chanting "death by thousand cuts" and the other may try to flex every now and then but wouldn't want to get into a mess of a war with us.

I believe we must not be in complacency to the above assumptions and prepare for the worst, budgets need to be increases and as you said, supply chain planning and stocking must be long term.

Russkie & Chong elites are basically security state commie descendants, such thinking about supply chain and independence and preparing for conflict comes naturally to them, not to our politicians.
 
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Yt2211 said:
It is believed that at 23 pak will break ceasefire, after that round 2 for pok will start
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I think he meant that if there is no action before 23, then we will likely have a stand down. As for PoK, its a harebrained idea that most people advocating for it don't even realize what that will entail. Best case is for some gains along the LC, anything more is not something that will happen.
 
Yt2211 said:
It is believed that at 23 pak will break ceasefire, after that round 2 for pok will start
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Is this date more related to some astrology calculations ? why 23 why not tonight or tomorrow .. They had given us a chance it was our job to man up and finish trashing this nuisance prick for good , instead we raised white dhoti after 12th and for god knows what reason .. all the kirana hills nuclear leak jumla and nook getting ready jumla are not able to sustain ..

Why did emperor ji agree for ceasefire in first place why do you have to start round 2 , when entire armed forces were happy and ready to prolong the round 1 itself ..

Leader ji did a KLPD not only on his minions but also on the armed forces personnel too
 
indrajit said:
I think he meant that if there is no action before 23, then we will likely have a stand down. As for PoK, its a harebrained idea that most people advocating for it don't even realize what that will entail. Best case is for some gains along the LC, anything more is not something that will happen.
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No need to add that rabid mirpuri population into our borders , just pulverize their neighbourhood and take back the land . take back those passes which are aiding in infiltration and which gives us upper hand on dominating LoC.. GB is much more value than PoK
 
jazzy_b said:
pakistan is building a case to blame India for every attack taking place on it's soil

View: https://x.com/PakSarfrazbugti/status/1925075318626287723


Meanwhile today's whole school bus attack in khuzdar seems sus.
Does anyone have any pic of injured kids? I only saw bags kepts in obviously fake manner. The whole thing just seems staged. There are just 3-4 pics circulating on SM and nothing else.

Harming or killing kids is against our faith and only mentally unstable cretins like pakistanis are capable of doing it
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This "bus attack" is simply an eyewash, to distract from the fact that paki drone strikes/false-flag(a real one, not the fake rubbish they project onto us) ACTUALLY killed children not a few days ago.

And punjabis are that callous and delusional enough to believe it.


View: https://x.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1924882632556638586?t=SFgKFWOd35lalEUSWVL_Hw&s=19
 
INDIAFIRST said:
We need our R&D to get boost by numerous projects, we have people and we have resource, a will and vision is needed to see where we want to be in 2050
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Thats the thing man we have people but no one is willing to put money into core engineering fields and R&D in this country. I am speaking this from my experience as a pre final year student in one of the most premier engineering institutes of this country (in the top 5 NITs ) being a student in electrical engineering you will find that most of our peeps are focused on DSA and projects to land a decent package coolie job in a IT firm myself included (about 80 percent placements in electrical and ece happens the software domain about 60 percent in mechanical and chemical and other core engineering fields the same goes for all the other premier institutes) and you cant blame us. Most of us come from normal working class middle income families and carry hopes of our parents so the first priority is to get a decent placement and a good package which the IT firms provide. The core engineering firms visiting for campus placements lack in both numbers and lucrative package amount. Eg: L&T visited for hiring the final years offered sub 6lpa package . This comes from one of the leading private players of our industrial complex , most who are very interested in core are planning to complete their masters or phd internationally, so how can you accept your core R&D and industrial prowess to progress when you are loosing the top tier core engineers who either end up becoming just another IT worker or leaving the country. If the options available in our respective core domains were good enought who the f*ck in there right mind would study both core electrical to pass exams and CSE to get placed. So money needs to be poured and spent to build industrial capability, to build actual core engineering skills instead of just making up and propping service based it firms , or having an Indian version of lockheed would end up just being a pipe dream. Make in India shouldn't just be restricted to just assembly or manufacturing of products in the country it should be about developing industries from ground up.
 
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