Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Muzh]

Both G2, US and China are desperate to stop India's growth, both economy and particularly military including exports.

There will be several attempts to destabilize us. Individual US businesses might not want distribution, such as Apple, but the security/deep state sees us as too much of a potential threat to not sabotage.

China's goal should be self explanatory.

You have brought to fore a very important power struggle that we are witnessing. Earlier, in this thread, I explained this power struggle using what I call the jungle analogy. Imagine this world is a jungle. In this jungle, there are four lions: India, Russia, China and USA. These four lions are locked in an intense power struggle.

Russia & China are firmly allied against USA. This puts US at disadvantage; it needs India on its side.

China and USA cooperate with each other against India. This puts India at disadvantage.

India & Russia are not allied against anyone but they help each other. This relationship acts as a safeguard, in case, something unexpected were to happen in this power struggle.

Here is USA's dilemma:
Let us assume for a second that India is out of the equation -- just hypothetically speaking. Now, USA is all alone against Russia & China. That is why, it is imperative to develop appreciation for the subtle difference between Chinese and American positions with respect to India. India and USA are locked in a situation that looks very much like game of chicken. USA is hoping, India will yield first. The short India - Pakistan military conflict that just concluded should be seen through this lens. That was the first pressure applied against India by USA. There will be more. If USA yields first, it will be literally a game changing event.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

In times of crisis, people become enthusiasts and experts in a heartbeat despite having barely superficial amount of knowledge about the subject. The amount of braindead takes I've heard over the years about Covid-19, pandemic economy, Russia-Ukraine war, Manipur crisis, blind Trump fellatio pre-2024 US election and what not has made me numb to these people and their glorious takes.

The "info war" was crushed the moment even Al Jazeera and NYT had to begrudgingly admit that IAF had bombed Paki airfields after witnessing images that were procured from private satellite firms. Even Chinki satellites had confirmed the successes of Indian attacks while there is 0 evidence of any real damage to any IAF base that could be verified by any satellite firms, no drone/missile footage was released by Porkis and the only thing they had to show for the whole fiasco was a grainy pic where nobody could even see an S-400. If there is a Porkie or doomer lurking in this thread, I would challenge them to conclusively identify the S-400 from the ISPR pic.

The real war was much worse. The "last laugh" Porkies had by launching a drone attack on the day after ceasefire was countered with ease and the only damage and loss of life it caused was with the debris falling on to people's homes (there is literally no evidence of any drone caused destruction in Indian side of the border). The only real deadly response they had was with their shelling which was duly answered in kind. India bombed Paki air force assets in broad daylight and disabled runways, air defense radars, a mobile command and a hangar with a Saab Erieye getting spitroasted inside it, among others (the C-130). If Operation Sindoor had escalated into a real war, no Paki aircraft would be able to take it to the skies and those that are already in the skies, would have no option but go for hard landing and risk damage and prolonged grounding for maintenance (at best) if they aren't destroyed by AAMs. We had them by the balls.

Yes but Paki aiir assets were right next to the runway. Why did we not take a few of them out? This is the part no one understands. You are in a war. Dont you want to inflict damage to assets that are readily available to bomb?

 

[Vinash]

@darkflame and @Drwho banned for a week.

Thread will be cleaned up later today.

 

[Azaad]

@darkflame and @Drwho. banned for a week.

Thread will be cleaned up later today.

There seem to be two handles - @Drwho. & @Drwho . The culprit is the latter ID not the former. Ironically both these handles were created on the same day.

 

[Vinash]

There seem to be two handles - @Drwho. & @Drwho . The culprit is the latter ID not the former. Ironically both these handles were created on the same day.

Ah true. Just noticed. Anyway banned the right guy in the first place as well.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

View: https://x.com/__phoenix_fire_/status/1925422543231754695?t=OlaLkhR63ZHlOVxd49tatQ&s=19

This is likely fake news. F16.net does not support F16s being downed. I understand propaganda is needed. But it has to be sophisticated and not be laughed at outright. We are not good at doing propaganda. Training sessions and a professional setup are needed.BLA is much better at technical footage than Indian defense forces. I see some developments in getting the message out but useless messaging like we did not target their military should be cut out. It is making us lose credibility as we come across as a non-serious player.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

FINALLY... the # released for Paki losses.

Paki losses in a nutshell:-

• 8 F-16s
• 1 IL-78 Tanker
• 1 ERIEYE
• 2 HQ9 units
• 4 Radars
• 1 AEWC
• 6 Bayraktar TB2
• Bachi khuchi Izzat

Poor Pakis tried to hide their LOSSES by faking news of Indian jets down and all. So Pakis not only SUFFERED HUGE LOSSES in terms of terrorists/soldiers(about 200) but also loss in Billions. Kangali mei aata geela.

Super SHREWD and Cunning US tried to sponsor and support fake narrative of Pakis by saying Indian jets were down and all within few mins of Operation Sindoor!!! US can't tolerate their F-16 downed by Rafales/SU's so got nervous and peddled fake narrative through lot of Armchair Jarnail's analysis in youtube etc. It's all good since India wanted some SOLID excuse to REJECT the overpriced F-35. No wonder US allowed IMF loans to these BHIKHARIS.

Indian Military remained calm and provided all PROOF whereas Pakis relied on their Madrasa Chaap Jihadis with "Center of Gravity" . So $3.3 Billion TEA WAS FANTASTIC!!!

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Dude…all this is propaganda like in not actual. It is being used to create fog of war. Appreciate the effort but deterrence is established by real damage and not social media.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Of all the threads I could’ve ended up in, how did I manage to walk headfirst into the intellectual equivalent of a clown car crash. At this point, I’m just buckled in, popcorn in hand, waiting to see what flips over next.

First off, equating Modi’s foreign policy with some vague “Mongolian approach” is peak Dunning-Kruger cosplay. What does it even mean??

Then we tumble headfirst into the hormonal pseudoscience sewer, where evolutionary psychology is butchered to justify lazy stereotypes. This isn't discourse it's a fever dream assembled from WhatsApp forwards, Twitter rage-bait, and whatever someone half-remembered from a Joe Rogan episode played at 1.5x speed.

At this point, any Tom, Dick, and Hary with a Wi-Fi signal thinks opening an account entitles them to vomit policy takes like a broken BuzzFeed quiz generator. Zero context, zero history, just tamasha and volume.

 

[Nibbler]

Bros we have to find these journals

 

[Decahex]

Yes but Paki aiir assets were right next to the runway. Why did we not take a few of them out? This is the part no one understands. You are in a war. Dont you want to inflict damage to assets that are readily available to bomb?

What you said is logical but could've only been possible if the GoI was eager to get itself in an all out war, which I highly doubt. If that's what it wanted, we would've conducted SEAD/DEAD on May 7th followed by the actual missile attacks on terrorist installations and if the Pakis retaliated (they would have) we would've bombed their air bases like on May 10th but on a greater intensity with not just the runway but also aircrafts like what you suggested. It seems to me, that originally the GoI wanted a repeat of Balakot where we would've struck targets and they would've retaliated, both sides claiming victory and then ignoring each other for the next 6 years but that plan got de-railed with Porki reaction and had to improvize to get their DGMO to request a ceasefire and sell it as a win to Indians.

 

[Decahex]

Of all the threads I could’ve ended up in, how did I manage to walk headfirst into the intellectual equivalent of a clown car crash. At this point, I’m just buckled in, popcorn in hand, waiting to see what flips over next.

First off, equating Modi’s foreign policy with some vague “Mongolian approach” is peak Dunning-Kruger cosplay. What does it even mean??

Then we tumble headfirst into the hormonal pseudoscience sewer, where evolutionary psychology is butchered to justify lazy stereotypes. This isn't discourse it's a fever dream assembled from WhatsApp forwards, Twitter rage-bait, and whatever someone half-remembered from a Joe Rogan episode played at 1.5x speed.

At this point, any Tom, Dick, and Hary with a Wi-Fi signal thinks opening an account entitles them to vomit policy takes like a broken BuzzFeed quiz generator. Zero context, zero history, just tamasha and volume.

There was actually quite a lot of discourse and good discussion back when Operation Sindoor was still active and it looked like war was imminent. Since things started to cool down many became less active and over enthusiastic guys had the thread for themselves.

 

[Jedi Operator]

There was actually quite a lot of discourse and good discussion back when Operation Sindoor was still active and it looked like war was imminent. Since things started to cool down many became less active and over enthusiastic guys had the thread for themselves.

I remember that yeah

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1926478838097215688

 

[Tumba]

View: https://x.com/Goreunit/status/1926478838097215688

Seems like a drone jammer, a just military target hopefully Indian Military is not this naive not to target these military systems fearing collateral damage, porki civilians are nothing but inbred jihadis who actively kill, rape minorities

 

[Muzh]

This is a great talk given by Lt General Raj Shukla. He mentions that Late PM Vajpayee later regretted not going to war with Pakistan after mobilizing Operation Parakram. He also describes the incremental change in our attitude towards Pakistanese sponsored terrorism. The conclusion is that Operation Sindhoor was basically a notice to Pakistan that going forward there will be heavy cost attached to any act of terrorism. He acknowledges that the Operation Sindhoor may not deter Pakistan's terror activities but it certainly adjusts what Pakistan should expect after committing terrorism.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_33vVKfjeM

 

[notaname]

Pakistan Crypto Council’s (PCC) Chief Executive Officer Bilal Bin Saqib meets Pakistan field Marshal Munir. Saqib's PCC in April signed a letter of intent with World Liberty Financial (Trump family backed crypto venture) in April.


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1926484032360989097?t=JCypzHl_5XTjUyXv-BaS_A&s=19

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

What you said is logical but could've only been possible if the GoI was eager to get itself in an all out war, which I highly doubt. If that's what it wanted, we would've conducted SEAD/DEAD on May 7th followed by the actual missile attacks on terrorist installations and if the Pakis retaliated (they would have) we would've bombed their air bases like on May 10th but on a greater intensity with not just the runway but also aircrafts like what you suggested. It seems to me, that originally the GoI wanted a repeat of Balakot where we would've struck targets and they would've retaliated, both sides claiming victory and then ignoring each other for the next 6 years but that plan got de-railed with Porki reaction and had to improvize to get their DGMO to request a ceasefire and sell it as a win to Indians.

What actual war? Pakistanis have no money or resources to fight. Remember pizza bajwa who said they dont even have fuel for their tanks. Paapistan Army and failed machchal would have caved in and we could have either salami sliced or demanded other things that disarm porklund and made them ineffective to ever launch an attack again like handover of all terror bosses to us. Only loss of key assets will hurt porkis. Otherwise they are liars of the worst sort who will stab you again when your back is turned. Trust a venomous snake but never a porki poonjabi. We are making a big mistake by not pounding them into submission. We will see these napakis attack us again. Wait and watch.

 

[shitsandgiggles]

Either troll back or ignore..

They are trying to make indians mad. If you get mad you lose.

The reply should be to make them more mad. "We broke mosques and burned muslims inside" is a 100% hit rate for me, and now the kids being burned in balochistan is a good one.

Or no reply/no interaction at all.

Had misfortune of coming across one, just kept replying "ok paki", also short crisp replys work well,
> "5000 rafale down lollol"
>"11 airbases"

always be on offense dont even dignify their claims with retort.

Big twitter handles dont get it they fall for obvious engagement bait. The way to do it is to take a screenshot, and mock, they wont get engagement and it is safe if they later delete.

 

[Nicky]

You have brought to fore a very important power struggle that we are witnessing. Earlier, in this thread, I explained this power struggle using what I call the jungle analogy. Imagine this world is a jungle. In this jungle, there are four lions: India, Russia, China and USA. These four lions are locked in an intense power struggle.

Russia & China are firmly allied against USA. This puts US at disadvantage; it needs India on its side.

China and USA cooperate with each other against India. This puts India at disadvantage.

India & Russia are not allied against anyone but they help each other. This relationship acts as a safeguard, in case, something unexpected were to happen in this power struggle.

Here is USA's dilemma:
Let us assume for a second that India is out of the equation -- just hypothetically speaking. Now, USA is all alone against Russia & China. That is why, it is imperative to develop appreciation for the subtle difference between Chinese and American positions with respect to India. India and USA are locked in a situation that looks very much like game of chicken. USA is hoping, India will yield first. The short India - Pakistan military conflict that just concluded should be seen through this lens. That was the first pressure applied against India by USA. There will be more. If USA yields first, it will be literally a game changing event.

The main point is that the US would prefer it to be a unipolar world with it being the sole global power, which it was post collapse of the Soviet Union. If thats not possible it will settle for a bipolar world with China replacing the USSR.

The one thing it doesn't want at all costs is a multipolar world, which is what India symbolises. So it will work with China to cut India down to size and use Pokris to do that.

Ultimately, we have to guard against sabotage from both. Use Russian, France and Israel to plug the gaps in our military tech. It all boils down to a powerful engine that can power a 5th gen fighter jet. If we can manage that, we don't really need help with much else.

In all this, internal security is a big factor. We need to kick out lungis and keep local jehadis in check as well.

The US has proposed up Porkies since they were created by the British and the so called nukes are also given by Ameriki.


View: https://x.com/ssaratht/status/1926348872789406129?t=y7ut0fszhQmtEXtVOyWV5Q&s=19

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Both G2, US and China are desperate to stop India's growth, both economy and particularly military including exports.

There will be several attempts to destabilize us. Individual US businesses might not want distribution, such as Apple, but the security/deep state sees us as too much of a potential threat to not sabotage.

China's goal should be self explanatory.

It isn't as clear cut. Usa needs us to face off China, China needs to not push us totally into us pocket to stand a chance facing off against usa. This isn't an arch-enemy dynamic like we have between China and Taiwan or India and Pakistan, this is frenemies interaction between sides that fear each other but also need each other to a certain degree.

Women should not be in the military. We are literally paying for lower quality soldiers. It also provides a huge PR boost for the enemy. Imagine the humiliation if the news of female piolet getting captured was true.

There is no rationale to not have women in military positions that don't require brute strength. Ie, not okay for infantry, just fine for pilot or navy commander.

"discipline, leadership, and resilience" non of which women excel in. On average men perform better under stress. Women make most of their decisions based on emotions.

False on last part. Women are far better under stress than men. Can cite u reams and reams of data on this and I ain't a woke or a liberal but I am MSc in math, so challenging me on data is not gonna go well on this.