Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

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Humm

at some point all these "would have" "could have" theoretical assumptions have to consciously fall back on reality checks for confirmation. reality check here is what has been stated and executed by the actual main players in the game, in this case the gormint and security forces. they checked almost every box, that security focussed intelligentsia of the country have been debating on.

we need to have clarity on what has been achieved:

- demonstrate that terrorism is the primary issue between India and pakistan.
- combat proven tag to many of the defence equipment
- raise the cost of an misadventure i.e deterrence
- demonstrate restraint factored into the operational planning
- find space for conventional deterrence, as a response to sub-conventional warfare imposed by paki army.
- find space for conventional retaliation under nuclear overhang.
- call out nuclear bluff
- let pakis know, pakjabi heartland is no longer out of bounds
- there is space for both kinetic and non-kinetic responses.
- remind pakis of their lack of strategic depth .
- erase the distinction between jihadis and their state sponsors.


if folks want to apply their mind, and add more chapters to the playbook, can use the above mentioned points as the new baseline and build on it. we also have to be careful not to over read the outcomes, beyond a point so much so that it blurs the lines between hallucinations and reality.

Except Pakjabis dont care about any of this. Pakjabi Army sends thousands of jaahils to get killed. Porki Army is a mercenary Army propped up by Chaiiina. They have no playbook. Nothing. They have assassinated their own leaders with impunity. If you treat Porki Army on par with decent, professional armies, you have lost the plot right there. Porki Army is just one step above terrorists. It is an Army that runs on jaahil and not on diesel, it believes in jinns and not wins, has a leader who is more of a mafia cartel than a field marshal, worships schwarma rather than dharma, promotes human rapes rather than human rights etc. If you think these porki mercenary army will be deterred by logic and reason, you are making the same mistakes as our brokerats - you are trusting venomous degenerates called the paki crore commanders who are programmed to hate Hindus from the time their grandfathers attended mad madressahs. India by not forcefully insisting that the Pagalgam genocide was done by Porki Army chief mullah muneer, is playing right into the hands of the enemy. Ask the Baloch or the Pashtuns - you do not negotiate with the rogue, mercenary, pakjabi army. You decimate them whenever you get the opportunity.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Designing and manufacturing a complex machine such as a new turbofan engine is a very complex problem and it cannot be solved by throwing money at it. Earlier in this thread I described in detail what is called Product Development & Lifecycle Management (PDLM) under the auspices of Iterative Prototyping. So, I do not want to bore everyone by repeating the same information.

Here is what I suggested years ago but no one listened to me

a. LAC's aerospace design should have been compatible with AL31FN instead of GEF404

b. HAL/DRDO should have entered in contract with Lyulka for ToT of AL31FN

c. HAL/DRDO should have continued development of indigenous turbofan engines based on AL31FN foundation

d. HAL should have continued manufacturing LCA with Lyulka supplied engines until indigenous engines were ready

e. Step c and d above could been done in parallel

China did exactly what I described above. They are now ready to replace AL31FN with their indigenous WS10. As you guessed it, WS10 is based on AL31FN.

AL31FN is maintenance heavy and not as reliable as western engines. So following the western template for engine development is best. But India should have done it with partners like Japan. But when were we ever farsighted and tech savvy in the armed forces? Only in the last few years things have been changing due to private sector participation. China is following the Soviet Union template.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Operation Sindoor is over. Now is the time for a critical and unbiased analysis.





India must evaluate where its military succeeded, where it fell short, and what lessons can be drawn from the conflict. It is essential to identify strengths that can be built upon and weaknesses that need urgent attention—not just within the Indian military, but also in understanding the vulnerabilities and strength of Pakistan military.





Every conflict offers valuable lessons. India must take this opportunity to reflect, learn, and enhance its preparedness for future challenges. This process should not be confined behind closed doors. Instead, there should be open discussions involving both political and military leadership to ensure that Indian military responses are more effective, coordinated, and decisive in the future.

 

[Ajatshatru]

I’m not sure whether India has lost any fighter jets, but if it has, it’s important to understand why.





While the loss of aircraft is sometimes an unfortunate part of military operations, every incident must be carefully evaluated. Identifying the causes—whether technical, tactical, or strategic—is essential to ensure such losses are minimized or prevented in the future. Continuous improvement and learning from every setback is key to strengthening India’s air power and operational readiness.

 

[Ajatshatru]

@haldilal
Please create a thread for post-war assessments and move my messages there.

 

[Anants]

Ok an image which was being circulated of Rafale engine im Bathinda seems to be image of 2011 vintage


View: https://x.com/Pathak329039603/status/1926335283240280489

 

[Anants]

Those are peacocks.

Also gives me more confidence that this was over india since peacocks are only found in very select locations.

My guess says this could be one that was intercepted over beas. I am seeing towers which were also in some tweet where they proved that missile debris way off course near or on garbage dump in beas.

 

[Ajatshatru]

This engine is not from a Rafale; it belongs to a Su-30MKI that crashed 14 years ago, on Wednesday, December 14, 2011.

 

[Brood Father]

Ok an image which was being circulated of Rafale engine im Bathinda seems to be image of 2011 vintage


View: https://x.com/Pathak329039603/status/1926335283240280489

Doesn't look like unless I am using another report

Rain of death

A frontline Sukhoi-30MKI of the Indian Air Force (IAF), one of the Russian-origin combat jets, crashed barely a couple of kilometres from a village on the city outskirts on Tuesday afternoon, with th

punemirror.com

 

[Ajatshatru]

Doesn't look like unless I am using another report

Rain of death

A frontline Sukhoi-30MKI of the Indian Air Force (IAF), one of the Russian-origin combat jets, crashed barely a couple of kilometres from a village on the city outskirts on Tuesday afternoon, with th

punemirror.com

What’s even more confusing is that there’s only one engine, no fuselage wreckage, and I didn’t see any missiles either.

 

[Brood Father]

What’s even more confusing is that there’s only one engine, no fuselage wreckage, and I didn’t see any missiles either.

Hmm..don't know mate ..On surface this looks like AI image but until proven this cannot be ascertained . Only IAF knows what is the truth behind these images ..

 

[WARREN SS]

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[shankyz]

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[ashiii]

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[haldilal]

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[ashiii]

1947 North-West Frontier Province referendum in NW was complete illegal as No Muslim was allowed to Vote, only 1% non muslim voted
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even today if voted NW will choose out of pakistan

Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_North-West_Frontier_Province_referendum

 

[Fatalis]

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[haldilal]

 

[Azaad]

We seem to lay inordinate emphasis on how western commentators see India , its position & actions in various spheres of life . It seems the urge for validation in spite of all that talk about de colonization hasn't gone away.

We could extend this line of thought to Operation Sindoor as well. Hence Tom Cooper & others on one side & CNN , NYT , Reuters etc on the other.

How about we take cognizance of our very own native brand of analysts who've been around & interacted with our armed forces & the security establishment at close quarters reporting on them in the public arena for decades ?!

Here's Sandeep Unnithan in a podcast for India Today interviewed by Dev Goswami on the performance of our IADS & related issues. Lots of reveals here like for instance the genesis of the entire program stems from the massive embarassment to the establishment resulting from the Purulia arms drop in the mid 1990s.

Or the fact that if Fauji Foundation has been probing our red lines since funding the Punjab & later the Kashmiri insurgency with facilitating bomb blasts in Mumbai in 1993 , there was a paradigm shift since 1998 when both India & Paxtan became N powers .

Paxtan began using its new found status as a N power to conduct a sustained campaign of sub conventional warfare constantly probing our red lines.

Things got so bad that in 2008 in the aftermath of the 26/11 when discussions were held in the security establishment on how to respond to it , ACM Fali Major revealed that when he asked for co ordinates for the IAF to target such camps in Paxtan , the MMS government couldn't come up with any for the espionage infrastructure we built in Paxtan was dismantled by another xutiya Gujral & the policy continued by ABV & later by MMS.

Finally it's only since 2014 we've seen movement on this matter with gradual calibrated escalation following every such incident from joint investigation in Pathankot to shallow incursions into PoK vide surgical strikes to air strikes within mainland Paxtan for the first time since 1971 in Balakot & 3 other sites to the present day air strikes in the very heart of Paxtan in Paxtani Punjab .

While Fauji Foundation was busy probing our red lines what went completely overlooked notably by Fauji Foundation itself was this government probing their red lines with calibrated sustained escalation following each terrorist outrage since 2014 which finally climaxed with an attack on Nur Khan & Sargodha Air Base which houses the C&C of the SPD of Fauji Foundation in charge of their N weapons & the attack on their N weapon storage facility in Kirana Hills followed by Modi declaring the next attack would directly invite retaliation on Fauji Foundation itself.

Must watch episode IMO !

 

[haldilal]

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