Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Ahh we're going to release this during the border drill to cause maximum burn to Pakis aren't we😂

Yeah, something has shifted. We're now actively baiting and taunting Pakis. Something major might have been threatened during Sindoor to cause the ceasefire otherwise GoI have finished what it started.
Well it's pretty easy guess about what major event happened.. let me break it down why paxtani jumped the gun.

Paxtani aand forces spoiled their salwars with the amount of punishment IAF delivered to them on 9-10th may strike at their most secure airbases.. they literally panicked nd to save the face they started sounding the nuclear alarm nd begged to America to save their sorry a$$es.

so before IAF could launch more strike nd further mog their face in dirt they approached for ceasefire.. while even just before ceasefire IAF smoked PAF sq leader Usman among fifty others also accounted for Saab awacs while paxtan were busy preparing for ceasefire celebration lol.. what a humiliation

Modi has said already we hv put them on probation nd this time if any terror strike occurs in our country we will strike their military as well as terrorist target at the same time.. we hv all of their target in our crosshair..
 
Enjoy.. :truestory:

 
Guys want to bring this minor but very interesting detail in ur notice.. all these high resolution Maxar satellite images that we hv seen to substantiate our claims of hitting multiple paxtani airbases .. these images are directly sourced by NDTV from maxar.. they have paid in huge amount to fetch all these high resolution satellite imagery.. No republic TV no India today.. no aajtak.. it's much scorned NDTV which has bought these images to humiliate Paxtan on international front..

ND guess who owns NDTV now?? 😉
NDTV being under ADANI is at forefront of humiliating paxtan.. enjoy!!

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This is the reason there will be no peace with Paxtan even if tomorrow Paxtan ceases to exist for Paxtan is a state of mind. It existed much before it was realised on the ground & having ceased to exist on the ground it'd survive on in their minds.

After all the original Paxtanis here have never given up on their dreams of turning India green or ruling over the Kuffar ever , even if they don't say it out aloud.

This is also the reason we should start thinking in terms of the final solution. I've no clue if it will happen or how long will it take though it's been a cherished wish of mine since I woke up to the full dimensions of this problem less than a decade ago except to say that we'd be forced into it unprepared if we don't prepare for it .

Recent events in BD & Paxtan are ominously pointing out in that direction. The time bomb that is the population imbalance in states like WB , Assam , Kerala & areas like Western UP or parts of NE Bihar ,etc will prise out the problem layered as it is today within existing secular discourse in MSM & large parts of SM apart from academia , TTs ,etc as anything but the problem of religious imbalance like it was with explanations offered in the aftermath of the KP genocide with justifications offered for it by the secular media & which the rapidly falling TFR of our lot will only serve to underline the severity of this problem .

In this respect the situation is identical to British Raj Punjab. Observe the religious demographics of the 3 principal religions there from the first census conducted by the British to what it came to be in 1941 , a mere 6 years before partition & a year after the passage of the Lahore Resolution. The fall in the percentage of Hindus was simply precipitous & alarming. There were plenty of reasons for this which I'd leave it to you to dig out .The parallels you'd see with Kerala or WB today is simply eerie.

Our polity is also way too fractious & has too many internal stresses & fault lines for its own good . We need to build up internal unity first & that means elimination of the thought process of the Aman ki Asha if not their types . That itself is a tall order. Will it happen in time to face the onslaught of the scenario I've tried to describe above ? The prognosis is it's too delicately poised at the moment.

Without achieving this we can kiss all attempts at permanently neutralizing the peacefuls be they in Paxtan or BD or at home , goodbye.
 
Wire is an extremely discredited tabloid. Their only name to fame is that the owner is an American citizen and a husband of a maoist professor, employs lots of low calibre progeny of senior babus.

Anyways, the same article is suggesting how useless pakistani army is and even after getting pounded mercilessly the PAF looks better than fat Jernails of pakistan army. Not sure if the write-up is praising pakistan or making fun of pakistan as a whole.

Also, this time pakistani forces can't even tell their brainwashed jihadi awam that no damage happened. They all saw what we did to them in day and night. So, this time the denial game can't work, hence this sham victory after getting pummeled. Even pakistani awam knows what happened to them in these 4 days. They themselves recorded and shared their whooping, but as you know this braindead jihadi awam has no other option to celebrate their victory as they do after every defeat ( read 1971).


Pakistani Awaam cannot think about truth. Anything from ISPR is the truth. If they try to do reasoning they will be recieved by the Black Vigo and family members will be disappeared.

During the Imran Khan arrest and subsequent protest, entire PDF Forum got down and when it came back it was fully Software updated by ISPR guys. All the pro Imran posts were removed, certain Mods got personal visit from the ISPR/Local police. Even the Reddit Mods/Users were actively tracked and got threats from their big dadides. There are post how Overseas Porki SM posts were monitored and he got Visit from Black Vigo when he came to Pakistan.

So Paki awaam will celebrate this victory since ISPR declared. If not they will be missing somewhere.
 

Post confirmed losses here guis
 
Mock drill could be indias way of baiting pakistan to do pre-emptive strikes on india(v less probability tho) or its nothingburger
Could just be signaling to tell Pakistan not to try to save face by conducting another terror attack. I don't think Pakistan can be dissuaded from because of how mad the terrorists with their family getting bombed will be.

Remember, government has stated that any terror attack will be considered an act of war.
Any spectacular display of terror will cost Pakistan dearly unless the government budges from it's current stance (warna Modizi ki goli toh hai hi).
 
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Guys want to bring this minor but very interesting detail in ur notice.. all these high resolution Maxar satellite images that we hv seen to substantiate our claims of hitting multiple paxtani airbases .. these images are directly sourced by NDTV from maxar.. they have paid in huge amount to fetch all these high resolution satellite imagery.. No republic TV no India today.. no aajtak.. it's much scorned NDTV which has bought these images to humiliate Paxtan on international front..

ND guess who owns NDTV now?? 😉
NDTV being under ADANI is at forefront of humiliating paxtan.. enjoy!!

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Our Media and our youtubers are all leeches in this regard. I thank adani ji for buying these pictures for us and injecting some professionalism in their journalism.
In our haryana their is a culture of people sitting together over a hukka and doing gossip. This is exactly what our journalism is. Each and everyone is doing low effort reporting. People here are much more professional than those journalists.

This culture of utter garbage must end. That is why i was excited by ANI action against a youtuber. It will increase value of reporting. People who invest would be adequately compensated for their hardwork.
It was great to see many people support ANI too against their action against the entitled youtuber. Cherry on cake is they are also dragging zubair and kamra too. I am praying for ANI now.
 
Could just be signaling to tell Pakistan not try to save face by conducting another terror attack. I don't think Pakistan can be dissuaded from because of how mad the terrorists with their family getting bombed will be.

Remember, government has stated that any terror attack will be considered an act of war.
Any spectacular display of terror will cost Pakistan dearly unless the government budges from it's current stance (warna Modizi ki goli toh hai hi).
Never underestimate the stupidity of pakis
They will 100% try something stupid and will be retaliated if not now then later
 
This is the reason there will be no peace with Paxtan even if tomorrow Paxtan ceases to exist for Paxtan is a state of mind. It existed much before it was realised on the ground & having ceased to exist on the ground it'd survive on in their minds.

After all the original Paxtanis here have never given up on their dreams of turning India green or ruling over the Kuffar ever , even if they don't say it out aloud.

This is also the reason we should start thinking in terms of the final solution. I've no clue if it will happen or how long will it take though it's been a cherished wish of mine since I woke up to the full dimensions of this problem less than a decade ago except to say that we'd be forced into it unprepared if we don't prepare for it .

Recent events in BD & Paxtan are ominously pointing out in that direction. The time bomb that is the population imbalance in states like WB , Assam , Kerala & areas like Western UP or parts of NE Bihar ,etc will prise out the problem layered as it is today within existing secular discourse in MSM & large parts of SM apart from academia , TTs ,etc as anything but the problem of religious imbalance like it was with explanations offered in the aftermath of the KP genocide with justifications offered for it by the secular media & which the rapidly falling TFR of our lot will only serve to underline the severity of this problem .

In this respect the situation is identical to British Raj Punjab. Observe the religious demographics of the 3 principal religions there from the first census conducted by the British to what it came to be in 1941 , a mere 6 years before partition & a year after the passage of the Lahore Resolution. The fall in the percentage of Hindus was simply precipitous & alarming. There were plenty of reasons for this which I'd leave it to you to dig out .The parallels you'd see with Kerala or WB today is simply eerie.

Our polity is also way too fractious & has too many internal stresses & fault lines for its own good . We need to build up internal unity first & that means elimination of the thought process of the Aman ki Asha if not their types . That itself is a tall order. Will it happen in time to face the onslaught of the scenario I've tried to describe above ? The prognosis is it's too delicately poised at the moment.

Without achieving this we can kiss all attempts at permanently neutralizing the peacefuls be they in Paxtan or BD or at home , goodbye.
It also keeps me up at night. People simply are not acknowledging the danger. Its still considered "dakniyanooshi soch" by many. I am thankful to trump to bring to fore raw geopolitiking in public life. Many will deride him but Trump has unmasked an ugly truth. His election has been greatest defeat of US moral woke leadership.

Now, I expect modiji to accelerate this process in India. Aman Ki Aasha, Secularism, Ganga-Jamuni Tehjib, patriarchy etc must be culled from our public discourse. It should no longer be an elite consensus. The elite consensus should recognize the threat of greens not just to human lives but also to real degradation in quality of human settlement as a whole. The govt. should fund research not to whitewash crimes of greens but to bring forth the rich cultural, social, economical and linguistic heritage of our country. The significance of Hinduism as the tolerant framework to assimiliate and integrate diverse human populations under a people co-existence. Importance to preserve protect this unique culture to eliminate hegemonic and monopolistic ideologies leading to unimaginable atrocities against humanity as a whole.
Unfortunately, I don't see our Universities interested in researching our long history and heritage. Its the only investment we need. New historians and professors trained in our ancient framework will actually truly unleash our soft power in world. Only than we can counter threat of greens.

Two approaches: 1. Humiliate the greens in battle
2. Ghar Wapsi
 
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Here's the timeline to the best of my recollection (I'm doing this off memory so anyone can correct me if I made a mistake):

  • The hitting of 9 terror facilities run by various designated groups was the initial round of attacks on the night of May 6-7. There is verifiable evidence of large-scale damage to buildings in both Pakistan-controlled Kashmir as well as in Pakistani Punjab. Videos of BDA conducted by drones/loitering munitions following the strikes was shared by IAF. No Pakistani military facilities (nuclear or otherwise) were targeted on that day. Pakistan officially claimed to have shot down 5 Indian fighters that took part in this operation. There is verifiable evidence of at least one IAF Rafale wreckage (the other wreckage is now confirmed to be a Heron drone). And at least 1-2 unexploded PL-15Es shot by PAF were also recovered from the ground in India.

  • The next day (night of May 7-8) Pakistan launched aircraft, drone & artillery attacks along the border as a response, targeting both military & civilian locations in India. These were met with a coordinated Air Defence effort by the Indian side (including aircraft on CAP & SAMs/AA guns). The vast majority of attacks & munitions were intercepted by Indian AD & EW. The only verifiable damage from these attacks is at Udhampur air base in Indian Kashmir, where a munition seems to have fallen in the open field between the runway & civilian buildings outside the fence. No damage to actual military infrastructure is seen by satellite imagery from neutral parties (Maxar & even China's Mizarvision).

  • During that AD action, India claimed to have shot down several PAF aircraft, though the officials did not specify exact number or type at that time. There is verifiable evidence of at least one PAF Mirage-III/V wreckage in Indian Kashmir (aircraft ID not just by OSINT, imagery of wreckage was labelled & shared by the military itself subsequently, after they could positively confirm what it was), but no pilot was recovered so he most likely did not survive the crash. There's also imagery of wreckage that seems to point toward either a PAF JF-17 or a IAF Mirage-2000, but the IAF did not claim this as a JF-17 so take that view with a pinch of salt. Unless the imagery was faked, it's likely to have been an IAF Mirage-2000 downed the day before. On that night (as the AD operation was still underway), mainstream media quoted Indian Govt sources saying there was an offensive A2/AD action by S-400, targeting PAF aircraft flying within Pakistan, including F-16s and an Erieye AEW aircraft. There were also reports of Indian drone attacks inside Pakistan on May 8, though I haven't been able to verify where this was & what was the damage caused, besides some ground-level photos of a destroyed C&C vehicle at a military station in Lahore, Pakistan.

  • The next day (May 9), usage of S-400 was confirmed as the exploded debris fragments of a 40N6 round were recovered in Dinga, Pakistan. There is video of a fiery crash site from that location taken the night before, but no up close pictures/videos so we cannot verify what kind of aircraft was hit. Indian sources claim this was the Erieye they shot down, but it seems Pakistani sources claim this was a drone. Personally, I'd say it had to be something large & high-flying as this location is nearly 400 kms from the S-400 launch site in India. A smallish drone is unlikely to have been detected by the S-400's fire control radars from that range (not to mention it's unlikely they would waste a 40N6 round - a potential BMD asset - at near its Rmax unless it was a high-value target of opportunity).

  • Later that same day (May 9) also saw attacks from Pakistan - including usage of long-range MBRLs like Fatah-I/II and air-launched CM-400AKG. The Fatah rockets were intercepted by an Akash SAM over Sirsa, India. Pakistan claimed to have destroyed the S-400 battery at Adampur in Indian Punjab (probably targeted in response to its usage the night before) with the aforementioned CM-400AKG launched from JF-17s. However, satellite imagery revealed no damage to the S-400 base, or anywhere nearby. So the AKGs were likely intercepted by either Akash or Barak-8.

  • On the night of May 9-10 India began the first real operations against Pakistani military bases. Air Defence assets were the first to be hit as part of a SEAD/DEAD campaign. Mostly drones like Harop were used though some air-launched munitions were also likely used. AD command posts & radar sites were targeted across several air bases in Pakistan. There is verifiable evidence of damage to surveillance radars in at least 2 Pakistani air bases, and somewhat sketchy evidence of a 3rd. There are also some videos of a destroyed AA gun in an urban area, though I don't know if this was from the day before.

  • The SEAD/DEAD phase was immediately followed by the missile strikes on Pakistani military facilities, which seem to have continued into the early morning hours of May 10. There is evidence of BrahMos (launched by Su-30MKI), SCALP (from Rafale) & Rampage (from Jaguar) being used, though the nature of the damage done indicates that SPICE-2000 & SAAW may have also been used. The Pakistani side claimed to have shot down several incoming missiles & spoofed several others through EW. There is evidence of some SCALPs being intercepted by Pakistani AD (unexploded warhead of SCALP was recovered). But no evidence of any BrahMos/Rampage being intercepted or recovered intact.

  • There is verifiable evidence (both satellite imagery as well as some ground-level photos & videos) of large-scale damage to at least 8 Pakistani air bases in these strikes, some as deep as nearly ~200 km inside Pakistan. The Indian side claims 11 air bases were targeted but given that we seem to be discovering new damage sites every day through OSINT, the jury is still out on how many locations were actually hit. The verifiable damage includes destruction of runways & aprons, aircraft hangars, radar sites, ATC infrastructure, and what look like UAV command-&-control trailers. It is unknown what aircraft were damaged/destroyed when the hangars were attacked at 3-4 bases. But the hangar at Bholari AFB is known to host Erieye AEWs + fighters, while the one at Jacobabad is known to host F-16s. But what planes were actually in them when they were attacked cannot be ascertained through satellite imagery. The only ground-level video/photo of damage to aircraft seems to be a PAF C-130 on fire at one of these bases.

  • There is both satellite imagery & ground-level videos confirming that bases in the Kirana Hills & near Murid were hit by Indian attacks during that same time (May 9-10). These bases are known to host nuclear weapons. However, the Indian military has officially denied that any such base was targeted. If pressed to answer, it seems to me that the official line will be that the missiles struck those locations by mistake. Obviously, that seems to be a deflection rather than the truth.

Anyway, these missile strikes on Pakistani bases were the last major action before the ceasefire on evening of May 10. There was some minor drone activity (quadcopters) afterwards near the border which were shot down, but no real escalation since.

Before laughing at Pakistan, it would be great if our Indian forum members answered a few questions.
We remember that immediately after the Indian airstrike, Islamabad claimed that it had shot down Indian fighters. After that, New Delhi announced the crash of 3 Indian fighters. Agree, no one will believe such a coincidence, especially meticulous experts.

Till now, there is no confirmation of the loss of fighter aircraft from the Indian side, at least officially. What they did say was that all pilots were accounted for (which doesn't say anything about the aircraft they were flying). The report of 3 aircraft crashing was retracted by the media house that published it after it turned out that the imagery they posted was of an ejected drop tank.

It is very likely that at least 1-2 Indian fighters was downed, the evidence clearly points at one of the losses being a Rafale. Though IAF is yet to say anything official about it.

The Pakistani Prime Minister is now in Karabakh, which we recently liberated. We are friends with Pakistan. But this does not prevent me from being objective about the Indian air operation and Pakistan's response.
I can agree that the Indian operation to destroy targets in Pakistan was successful. But this does not mean that Pakistan's counterattack was less successful.

I have to hand it to PAF for making the right equipment choices (J-10C+PL-15E+Erieye) and tailoring their tactics to give themselves the best chance of a BVR kill. It'll be food for thought for the Indian side (not just IAF but also MoD) because the nature of the ROEs they are setting up (attacking terror targets with airpower without first addressing PAF's ability to respond) mean that they are asking the IAF to fight with a handicap.

What the Indian side did on May 9-10 (disabling runways & taking out aircraft like Erieye on the ground) was what they should have done first. But of course there are political realities that cannot be ignored. It was also important to show the world that India did not choose to target Pakistan's military facilities first.

But would the world have cared even if they did? Who knows.

What we know now is that following the ceasefire, India made a statement that going forward, they will not differentiate between terrorist targets & Pakistani military targets, because they say the Pakistani military had escalated on behalf of the terrorists. So the next time this happens, the ROEs could be very different.

I'm not sure how to quantify the damage overall (a cost assessment would require us to know exactly what all was lost), but if you go by satellite imagery analysis, there is no real damage to Indian facilities on the ground as a result of the Pakistani counterattack on May 8. Whereas the damage to Pakistani bases caused by Indian attacks on May 9-10 is extensive, and is verifiable.

I am Indian, but being as neutral as I can be, I have to say the damage to Pakistan was far more extensive. I have to attribute this to the fact that India dedicated quite some time to extensive & successful SEAD/DEAD action before launching the missile strikes, which resulted in a lot of missiles getting through as Pakistani AD was degraded. But the Pakistani attacks were not preceded by SEAD/DEAD on Indian targets (or at least, the SEAD/DEAD that they attempted through drones was unsuccessful), which meant that nearly all of the attack vectors were intercepted, minimizing the damage to Indian facilities to negligible levels/nil.
 
I dont see how Tejas could have played a role in Op Sindoor, other than point defence and relieving big boys for CAP, they could have played a role if we have Rudram and Brahmos NG integrated to them
If Tejas was just a point-defence fighter, it could have been used in the aerial battle that ensued the next day of Op. Sindoor, right? In fact, Tejas and Su-MKI are the only 2 aircrafts which can fire the Astra-1, which is the 2nd longest range A-A missile currently in our inventory. Why I say 2nd longest is, there was a tweet that the Rafales were still using Mica instead of Meteor. So, if it was not used, then can we not doubt that IAF has still some insecurity in deploying Tejas for real combat? Or are we too concerned about the likely felling of a Tejas as we are planning to export it? But if it was used and if it did a commendable job, then like all other indigenous products, this would have a big morale booster for likely exports.
 
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