Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[liberalredditor]

He is the CDS, limit me raho .
Humne unko Jo dard diya hai na bete wo unke yaad rahega .
Yes mistakes were made, probably we lost a few assests( very doubtful ), pilots theek hai.
That's it .
36 kya 3600 rafale bhi gir jayen to ghanta farq nai padta .
Aur ek baat, tum plane me cds sahab ko gali dene lage , tum log kehte ho india ko long term me ladna chaiye ?
Kya yaar .

are sorry bhai thik hai galti ho gayi aap jeet gaye

but i said about how he framed his sentences, it was clearly some babu level idiotic innovation.

plane pe kaun gaali de raha hai, we all know planes girenge, sead/dead humpe bhi hoga, casualty hamare side bhi hoga, par he just gave away a brilliant opportunity for gora/porks/turkroach/xini/congress people to target modi govt

now see 100 press conference daily how rafale was a scam and biggest "jumla". what if modi govt takes a popularity hit??? what if something big and negative happens in 2029???

bade cheezein aise hi chhoti chhoti cheezon se shuru hoti hai, chain reaction aise hi hota hai

for example - agar ek random prussian/german soldier ko ww1 me nahi chhoda hota to ww2 shayad na
hota

 

[Azaad]

question must have been about nooclear escalation.

paxtan adopting sub-conventional options(terrorism) against a conventionally superior force under a nuclear overhang, is considered a rational move in strategic(nuclear related) literature. according to this school of thought, under a nuclear overhang, any response other than usage nukes is considered rational.


reposting that tweet from yesterday


View: https://x.com/VishalMalvi_/status/1927716409527734397

Let me re iterate such interviews entailing frank exchanges are best done with your own not with foreign media especially ones who've a proven track record as bad faith actors including in the current issue particularly when the operation hasn't officially ended.

I would've criticised his choice of the interviewer even if he gave this interview 5 years later but at a time like this it is unpardonable.

A senior general of his stature must know the difference & more importantly must have the necessary sagacity if he's appearing before the foreign media more so when their credentials & motives are known .

 

[chnvipgz]

Hold on.. the exact numbers of IAF jets downed are coming soon.. CDS confirmed jets were downed.. IAF will put out a statement about which were those jets..

If cds had an iorta of iq he could have mentioned about the awacs shot down etc but he spoke like soros agent and showed pakistani terrorist army in great humanitarian way to soros media.
Who gave him the permission to give this interview and before him susu swamy and raga after insulting indian airforce why didn't modi came and clarified things.

Seems like our establishment is under deepstate infiltration even in bhimta jhandu party hence the caste census .

 

[Dhartiputra]

After listening to the CDS interview — because I always follow Shangri-La — I stopped my tractor, which I was using for readying paddy cultivation, and logged in to DFB. Because of this, I was not impressed. The only recent one I can think of is Gen. Rawat, whose interviews we all know. This CDS interview — the contrast between personalities is real, and the interview is not even diplomatic. The CDS’s phrasing of English is not up to the mark.
Best I can say in these conflicts is: Gen. Ghai and Air Marshal Bharti — their phrasing and messaging is top-notch.
And why is he giving interviews to Bloomberg near a staircase railing? And one more important thing even DFB is better in conveying message to enemy and if employ can be better arm of Goi in information domain.... bureaucratic babudom is real they are really not upto the mark to sail India through difficult neighborhood and not intelligent enough to chart out strategist for India self reliance on critical areas.

 

[Miss Firing]

That vatnik or banderite journalist from Bloombuger is gloating on SM regarding as to how she was "correct" & that she will do her job even if it means hurting feelings of Indians. This "journalist" has been trained by experts.

Also,



Do our people think that the rest of the world will put them on a pedestal & worship them if such statements are made?

PM makes a statement about Paki nuclear blackmail & how we will not accept.

Now CDS says this..? What a travesty. Unless, ofc, statement is taken "out of context".

**

So now, we will have have to fight propaganda of Pakis/CCP & self inflicted ones as well.

 

[Captscooby]

If you are going to confirm downed jets, specify the number. Also put a counter number of enemy losses. This chap did neither. Slow claps for narrative handling.

The word unspecified is word play added by the boom bugg side and not by the general . Either Govt should have issued a communication saying no interview should be given to foreign press on his visit to singapore .

But then he is there for Shangri la dialogue which itself discuss about Geopolitics and Military can't blame the general at all ..

names of the reporters who wrote the piece and she is the one who recorded that interview too

 

[Magadha Naresh]

are sorry bhai thik hai galti ho gayi aap jeet gaye

but i said about how he framed his sentences, it was clearly some babu level idiotic innovation.

plane pe kaun gaali de raha hai, we all know planes girenge, sead/dead humpe bhi hoga, casualty hamare side bhi hoga, par he just gave away a brilliant opportunity for gora/porks/turkroach/xini/congress people to target modi govt

now see 100 press conference daily how rafale was a scam and biggest "jumla". what if modi govt takes a popularity hit??? what if something big and negative happens in 2029???

bade cheezein aise hi chhoti chhoti cheezon se shuru hoti hai, chain reaction aise hi hota hai

for example - agar ek random prussian/german soldier ko ww1 me nahi chhoda hota to ww2 shayad na
hota

Koi khush nai hai damn it .
Baad me reply padh, mere
Tumse zyada mujhe hairani ho rahi hai.
Lekin control.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

Honestly, it was always obvious from the attempts at "clever" wordplay ("Pilots back safe, Platform loss part of war, no planes lost during strike" etc) that some platforms had been lost. It's a part of the game, and Pakistan lost way more (IND needs to put out everything they have on PAF losses soon now); but this cannot be the style of communication. You end up making a mockery of yourself abroad and at home, eroding the trust & morale of the under-informed (and often easily demoralized) masses, and discrediting hard fought successes and gains from the battlefield.

Also - the Govt shares a significant amount of blame for any platform losses given that they loudly proclaim "free hand to forces" for political points in public but put all sorts of retarded restrictive ROE's - including no SEAD/DEAD before Ops - on the forces, who end up getting undeserved flak. Still, all in all this was a good op. Hopefully they take things all the way next time.

 

[chnvipgz]

As far as SEAD/DEAD operations are concerned, India will loose the narrative and it will be termed as aggressor. What Government thought and did was perfect. We showed air ingress in Balakot, we showed Standoff capability in OP Sindoor. We have Standoff capability, and we can hit every corner of Pakistani heartland. Next time Loyal wingman and CATS will go and hit all these camps. Our jets can roam well inside above Delhi or Bareilly. If Pakistan takes the bait and tries to do some Swift Retort it will loose Airdefence+Air bases. Justice and Point served.

These are just excuses by soros agents in indian establishment to insult india.Did usa,saudi,uae gone for narrative before attacking Yemen,sudan etc

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Yes.. Did IAF had full control of ROE on 8th May.. I think not.. The messaging from IAF Spokespersons and Jaishankar that the target on the 8th of May was terror infrastructure makes that clear..
Hope GOI also learns from this..

People are also not seeing the incredible good that has come from Foreign media concentrating on IAF losses on 8th May..
GOI / CDS has been forced to acknowledge on TV that there were "tactical mistakes" on 8th May.. Meaning next time there won't be restrictive Rules of Engagement on IAF making IAF come across as fools for not hitting Pakistani aircraft and Air defense first .

Yeah . Next time we will lead with Indian Navy type of joke. Balakot was supposed to be the learning. We still dont know what airframes and how many were lost.

 

[Nicky]

Frankly, the government should muzzle these generals and ensure they don't speak to anti-India media.

We have clear demonstration that these folks are not up to the mark when it comes to communicating and their talking points need to be cleared by the government.

 

[vayuu1]

The amount of hate plus amount of thin skinned our lads here are quite astonishing,bc u struck them deep killed there army and pilots destroyed their assets and yet even if few assets are lost the amount of rudali's here is astonishing,abey tumne literally unki maar rakhi thi,iraq war main usa ne 50+ jets gawaye thay bc kuch bola koyi,aur yaha tumne unke airbase se le kar sab target kiya fir bhi bc aisa ro rahe ho, don't you think our forces wouldn't have anticipated it, although I admit one thing our administrative be it political or military needs to treat pak military and their terrorists in same manner as there is no difference between them

 

[Magadha Naresh]

The word unspecified is word play added by the boom bugg side and not by the general . Either Govt should have issued a communication saying no interview should be given to foreign press on his visit to singapore .

But then he is there for Shangri la dialogue which itself discuss about Geopolitics and Military can't blame the general at all ..

names of the reporters who wrote the piece

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Could have simply said " no jets were lost " and be done with it !
Whats with this obfuscation of arguments?
Which decidedly help the enemy narrative !
If he thinks of himself as an intellectual,then it's simply unfortunate.

 

[Warlock]

Thanks to Idiot like Anil Chauhan and Mr. Laser eye, I understand following things for our 56-inch Leaderji Gomit:
1. Neither Armed forces nor MoD Babus have any faith in Domestic Weapon system / even armed forces. Only after post war analysis we come to know tht we are 1000s times better than Paxstan and Chinki-minki.

2. So it is clear now, IAF was told not to engage PA / PAF assets, at least on 7th May and IAF obliged. ---- So much for "Free Hand"
3. BJP some how does tried to communicate with Paxstan Political Leadership to convey that we want to shoot few buildings here and there. -- Thanks to Mr. Laser eye.
4. Munir was not part of this communication and He acted accordingly.
5. 56-inch, Mr. Kadi ninda ji living in thick Fog of Babudom. They have no idea of Ground reality.

Indian Transcripts boasts about concepts like "Shatruboodh" but it seems it is Pak. army that learnt well and not our educated fools.

India lost 4-day war today / 31.5.25

when CDS have 1st preference to Give Interview is Reuters and bloomberg then please don't crib out them that they are only Anti - India.

Modi / BJP recruited CDS just like they did for Rajasthan and Guj. CMs. Pure Puppet available 24*7 for Yess Saar.

 

[Decahex]

The answer to that question will remain an enigma forever.
Gentlemen, we have lost the narrative war officially now.
When ever there is a discussion online, everywhere the aerial engagement dominates, world gives naught concern about any other aspect, it's either that or the Trump, nuke war , trade deal part.
Iam not doubting our militaries capability, but we have lost that part of the war .

It will be a loss if you accept defeat. This is exactly why Pakis are good at it. There's lots of other instances of aerial engagement. India intercepted every last drone and missile launched in it's territory. The integrated air defense system played a huge role. There is so much material that is independently verifiable by satellite pics from private vendors but you lot just love to engage in any topic Pakis deflect to. Quit whining. There's evidence of only one plane being shot down and that is from Bathinda. Take the loss but don't forget what has been inflicted on.

Imagine if the US bombed Beijing, Shanghai, Shandong, Guangzhou, Hong Kong and a bunch of Han Chinese cities and all the Chinese had to show for it is a downed F-22 and a F-35. Would it be a win? Stop accepting defeat and stop getting mind broken so easily yaar.

Pakistan provoking hostilities using terror has also been part of a very rational strategy of Fauji Foundation where they have not been made to pay the price for such action.. Only Operation Sindoor has extracted "some price from Pakistan" for use of terror, but that too is not much, as the strikes of 2 per base, were only symbolic, and meant to show that we could impose much greater costs..

No, it's not just symbolic. Other than monetary and economic costs, there is a term in economics called "opportunity costs". If those air force stations weren't rendered inoperable, it would've given Pakis the chance to retaliate properly with air assets where they have a BVR advantage. By striking runways, they may have had billions of dollars of equipment that wasn't damaged but they couldn't use it either. What's the point of having a fighter jet that you can't use to retaliate? It's not like we stopped at that. We bombed hangars (an AWACS was "damaged", 2 C-130s were visually confirmed to be on fire, etc.). We bombed their trailer based commands. We destroyed radars and HQ9/HQ16 batteries with visual confirmation.

 

[sunnyv]

We conduct sead , we lose narrative
We don't , we lose jets
It's a catch 22, I would rather lose the narrative war, than losing jets ( not a big deal, i know but it is being made as such ).

See its a call to be made by GOI. It can never be binary 1 or Zero. Gov had to make a statement and also not get involved in long drawn war. By hitting Terrorists Targets, Gov had the ball and final say by keeping control in Indian Establishment. Giving Off-Ramp to Munir was well planned and thoughtful. A long drawn war like Rus-Ukraine, Israel-Middle East would have lost us in being unstable and not investment friendly. Operation Sindoor is still on and we will get another opportunity to completely dismantle Pakis.

 

[ezsasa]

Let me re iterate such interviews entailing frank exchanges are best done with your own not with foreign media especially ones who've a proven track record as bad faith actors including in the current issue particularly when the operation hasn't officially ended.

I would've criticised his choice of the interviewer even if he gave this interview 5 years later but at a time like this it is unpardonable.

A senior general of his stature must know the difference & more importantly must have the necessary sagacity if he's appearing before the foreign media more so when their credentials & motives are known .

let's get one thing clear in our heads, the world is not going to give us easy victories, there are big monies involved. India's journey as 4th largest economy is going to be like this. this happened to china too , later chini developed a system to manage these things.

no matter what happens, International media will be hostile to India, better get used to it.
these "got cha" question traps will keep happening, there are many groups within India who give inputs to international media to set these up.
GoI has to create a policy framework with monetary support, to manage international media.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

It will be a loss if you accept defeat. This is exactly why Pakis are good at it. There's lots of other instances of aerial engagement. India intercepted every last drone and missile launched in it's territory. The integrated air defense system played a huge role. There is so much material that is independently verifiable by satellite pics from private vendors but you lot just love to engage in any topic Pakis deflect to. Quit whining. There's evidence of only one plane being shot down and that is from Bathinda. Take the loss but don't forget what has been inflicted on.

Imagine if the US bombed Beijing, Shanghai, Shandong, Guangzhou, Hong Kong and a bunch of Han Chinese cities and all the Chinese had to show for it is a downed F-22 and a F-35. Would it be a win? Stop accepting defeat and stop getting mind broken so easily yaar.

No, it's not just symbolic. Other than monetary and economic costs, there is a term in economics called "opportunity costs". If those air force stations weren't rendered inoperable, it would've given Pakis the chance to retaliate properly with air assets where they have a BVR advantage. By striking runways, they may have had billions of dollars of equipment that wasn't damaged but they couldn't use it either. What's the point of having a fighter jet that you can't use to retaliate? It's not like we stopped at that. We bombed hangars (an AWACS was "damaged", 2 C-130s were visually confirmed to be on fire, etc.). We bombed their trailer based commands. We destroyed radars and HQ9/HQ16 batteries with visual confirmation.

Accepting defeat in narrative war is not equal to accepting defeat in actual war
There we hammered them soundly.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

No need to go on a meltdown. Losses are part of conflicts. Loss of 2-3 jets is nothing in comparison to what we achieved in those few days. My only gripe with this interview is how he presented it that's it. I think IAF will release a report eventually with which assets we lossed and how many PAF jets we might have downed.

Does not matter what you think. What matters is whether India will be seen as a reliable security power. I am yet to see strong statements in support of India from global powers.

 

[chnvipgz]

See its a call to be made by GOI. It can never be binary 1 or Zero. Gov had to make a statement and also not get involved in long drawn war. By hitting Terrorists Targets, Gov had the ball and final say by keeping control in Indian Establishment. Giving Off-Ramp to Munir was well planned and thoughtful. A long drawn war like Rus-Ukraine, Israel-Middle East would have lost us in being unstable and not investment friendly. Operation Sindoor is still on and we will get another opportunity to completely dismantle Pakis.

Whats the use of bombing at night when its empty and still masood azhar and hafeez saeed are alive they should have bombed his let headquarters atleast killed his family like masood azhar.