Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[chnvipgz]

Frankly, the government should muzzle these generals and ensure they don't speak to anti-India media.

We have clear demonstration that these folks are not up to the mark when it comes to communicating and their talking points need to be cleared by the government.

Maybe this was deliberate from cds seems like rehearsed even the antiindian headline was obvious from her questions .Seemed like cds acted against india in this interview .

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/centerofright/status/1928770960544395409?t=u_dhqkFvkl6wgV5Eg-d_5A&s=19

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

It will be a loss if you accept defeat. This is exactly why Pakis are good at it. There's lots of other instances of aerial engagement. India intercepted every last drone and missile launched in it's territory. The integrated air defense system played a huge role. There is so much material that is independently verifiable by satellite pics from private vendors but you lot just love to engage in any topic Pakis deflect to. Quit whining. There's evidence of only one plane being shot down and that is from Bathinda. Take the loss but don't forget what has been inflicted on.

Imagine if the US bombed Beijing, Shanghai, Shandong, Guangzhou, Hong Kong and a bunch of Han Chinese cities and all the Chinese had to show for it is a downed F-22 and a F-35. Would it be a win? Stop accepting defeat and stop getting mind broken so easily yaar.

No, it's not just symbolic. Other than monetary and economic costs, there is a term in economics called "opportunity costs". If those air force stations weren't rendered inoperable, it would've given Pakis the chance to retaliate properly with air assets where they have a BVR advantage. By striking runways, they may have had billions of dollars of equipment that wasn't damaged but they couldn't use it either. What's the point of having a fighter jet that you can't use to retaliate? It's not like we stopped at that. We bombed hangars (an AWACS was "damaged", 2 C-130s were visually confirmed to be on fire, etc.). We bombed their trailer based commands. We destroyed radars and HQ9/HQ16 batteries with visual confirmation.

That is what people are saying. If you want to own the losses, just do it and clear up with details. Dont go around saying comical things that reduce the stature of the nation. Say it boldly, with confidence, and own it. IAF is once again going to come out as the weakest link. It has implications that cannot be wished away.

 

[chnvipgz]

We may not have bombed Asim Munir but we did bomb Rawalpindi air force station (Chaklala) and some air defense assets stationed there. It's unrealistic to have hit him specifically but this did the job. We've struck him in his home and showed everyone how impotent he is.

He and other generals were the main planners so as per modi the planners should have been killed.

 

[Captscooby]

Abolish CDS post. It’s waste of money time and resources. This post has become liability neither Bipin Rawat can do what the post was envisioned nor his successor.

Amazing till today morning nothing was against CDS and all of sudden he spoke something which you didn't wanted to hear or accept you know what the CDS post itself to be abolished . the demand for creation of CDS post came after 1999 kargil war review committee recommendation it took good 22 years to create that post finally .HQ IDS also came out of the same committee recommendation .. If Gen BiRa would have been alive he would have got theatre commands initiated on paper at least by now his sudden demise caused so much set back .. you want to throw away everything gained so far creating the CDS post back just because one Gen who is holding the post spoke something ..

they call this Knee Jerk reaction

 

[LastMythin]

What is the point of making a vague statement like this to anti-India media?
If they want to reveal any losses they can do it via official methods?

How else would they show the west they are "rational", "responsible" and believe in budh not yudh

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

As far as SEAD/DEAD operations are concerned, India will loose the narrative and it will be termed as aggressor. What Government thought and did was perfect. We showed air ingress in Balakot, we showed Standoff capability in OP Sindoor. We have Standoff capability, and we can hit every corner of Pakistani heartland. Next time Loyal wingman and CATS will go and hit all these camps. Our jets can roam well inside above Delhi or Bareilly. If Pakistan takes the bait and tries to do some Swift Retort it will loose Airdefence+Air bases. Justice and Point served.

Muh "narrative war" is a case of don't play the game if you cry after losing, you either play and win or don't play, operation goals are important, engaging in narrative is a choice, if someone is sacred of conducting sead/dead ops because of muh narrative that guy has already lost it and should not cry.

 

[chnvipgz]

I think India may carry out another series of strikes on Pakistan, which could explain why the government is silent.

I don't believe in this soros infested establishment who are promoting caste census,women in the army with dei etc.

 

[MasterChief]

What you're suggesting is the very opposite of what that general is attempting to refute. You're suggesting that a lesser power with nukes opting for its usage when losing the conventional war is a rational option whereas he seems to be denying that Paxtan opted to exercise the N option in the first place going by the limited information at hand. .

Did Pakistan nuke India ? Was Pakistan military at the point of being defeated or destroyed.. ? We barely scratched them .. and so there was no risk of use of nuclear weapons as Pakistani Army like CDS insinuated are rational..
Operation Sindoor was very very far from a full scale war..

And yes.. Using nukes by a weaker power, when the military's existence itself is at risk is a common strategy set forth by not just Pakistan, but Russia as well, where Russia has repeatedly said that if Russia is about to lose a massive conventional war with NATO it would use nukes . That's what nukes are for..

And FATAH 1 and FATAH 2 are mainly conventional short range ballistic missiles.. Just like Brahhhmos is a conventional cruise missile.. is also nuclear capable as per some experts..

 

[Brood Father]

Amazing till today morning nothing was against CDS and all of sudden he spoke something which you didn't wanted to hear or accept you know what the CDS post itself to be abolished . the demand for creation of CDS post came after 1999 kargil war review committee recommendation it took good 22 years to create that post finally .HQ IDS also came out of the same committee recommendation .. If Gen BiRa would have been alive he would have got theatre commands initiated on paper at least by now his sudden demise caused so much set back .. you want to throw away everything gained so far creating the CDS post back just because one Gen who is holding the post spoke something ..

they call this Knee Jerk reaction

Post is good but this man occupying the position is a chootiya at best a traitor at worst ..sorry for the wording but his actions are deplorable..any sensible guy should have resigned by now

 

[Decahex]

That is what people are saying. If you want to own the losses, just do it and clear up with details. Dont go around saying comical things that reduce the stature of the nation. Say it boldly, with confidence, and own it. IAF is once again going to come out as the weakest link. It has implications that cannot be wished away.

The post I was responding to was about narrative warfare. If he had come out and spoken boldly, there would be more blackpilling and bhosadpilling here. But yes, all this brainrot aside, I agree. He should've come clean and also revealed Paki losses if we inflicted any (we definitely did, the burning C-130s are most damning of all).

As for IAF being the weakest link, it's already true, there's nothing to come out about. There are genuine problems in the branch regarding acquisition and fleet maintenance. It's a topic for another day and another thread.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Amazing till today morning nothing was against CDS and all of sudden he spoke something which you didn't wanted to hear or accept you know what the CDS post itself to be abolished . the demand for creation of CDS post came after 1999 kargil war review committee recommendation it took good 22 years to create that post finally .HQ IDS also came out of the same committee recommendation .. If Gen BiRa would have been alive he would have got theatre commands initiated on paper at least by now his sudden demise caused so much set back .. you want to throw away everything gained so far creating the CDS post back just because one Gen who is holding the post spoke something ..

they call this Knee Jerk reaction

You are once again wrong. That is not what the posters are saying. Read through the posts, again.

 

[shade2]

We conduct sead , we lose narrative
We don't , we lose jets
It's a catch 22, I would rather lose the narrative war, than losing jets ( not a big deal, i know but it is being made as such ).

Narrative matlab only what is served to Gora sahib's govts, not media.
The narrative here is "we are not the aggressor, we hit terrorist sites onlee, that too at night to avoid civilian casualties, neither did we attack pak military installations saaar!"

 

[Azaad]

Did Pakistan nuke India ? Was Pakistan military at the point of being defeated or destroyed.. ? We barely scratched them .. and so there was no risk of use of nuclear weapons as Pakistani Army like CDS insinuated are rational..
Operation Sindoor was very very far from a full scale war..

I don't think you've understood the issue at hand. The issue here isn't whether Paxtan used nukes or contemplated its usage . The issue here is a serving Indian CDS has gone on record giving a certificate of good behaviour to the Paxtanis claiming the Paxtanis are rational actors when his PM has gone on record in a public meeting declaring to the whole side that India wouldn't succumb to Paxtani N blackmail. That's the crux of the issue in case you've missed the trees for the forest.

And yes.. Using nukes by when the military's existence itself is at risk is a common strategy set forth by not just Pakistan, but Russia as well, where Russia has repeatedly said that if Russia is about to lose a massive conventional war with NATO it would use nukes . That's what nukes are for..

And FATAH 1 and FATAH 2 are mainly conventional short range ballistic missiles.. Just like Brahhhmos is a conventional cruise missile.. is also nuclear capable as per some experts..

Are you suggesting that when a BM like Fatah features on a radar screen it carries a tag - Fatah 1 or 2 with it ? Is that your understanding of how warfare of this nature is conducted ?

 

[Captscooby]

Post is good but this man occupying the position is a chootiya at best a traitor at worst ..sorry for the wording but his actions are deplorable..any sensible guy should have resigned by now

This man was called out of retirement and given CDS post . A special notification was issued to accommodate retired 3* officers for CDS .. Guess why ? blame the leadership who chose him for the post ..Not him

 

[Mikel]

Getting a sense that there is a distinct lack of exposure of the Armed Forces towards global media management. Something very amateurish about it, like it's running on 20 year old specifications. It started with the Vikri Misri-Sofia Qureshi-Vyomika Singh tepid lacklustre, stuttering, stammering press conferences. Thought the DGMO press conferences weren't the greatest but a step in the right direction. Today's interview is a downright joke.

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

Some points to be noted from the interview of CDS Anil Chauhan and the Bloomberg Reporter.

• For some apparent reason, she is more interested in our losses than the losses incurred by Pakistan OR she is solely only interested in knowing what losses we faced and not what Pakistan faced? And the CDS should also have mentioned about our kills which he didn't which was stupid on his part, Something feels fishy here.​

• So our CDS instead of telling all this to our own local media first goes for an interview with a reporter from a Western media outlet which is known to spread anti-indian propaganda and says all this? What was he even thinking? I can't fathom this or wrap my mind around all this.​

• The entire interview also only and only about whether or not India lost any aircraft in the conflict during operation Sindhoor.​

• By carrying out Operation Sindhoor, we showed the world that we will never leave terrorism go Scot free! That we have the sheer guts & balls to hit terrorist infrastructure and military airbases and assets within a nuclear power's borders, that we have the capability to strike anywhere and whenever in Pakistan All of which we demonstrated to the entire world! India struck at least 8 PAF airbases and this is fully proven and backed by satellite imagery taken by third parties.​

• Why did the reporter not mention about the targets we hit? About our objectives which we succeeded in? Neutral? Or intentional Bias?​

• It's very clear, the reporter came with an agenda, an agenda to acquire information which will show us in bad-light and she succeeded with the CDS giving her exactly what she came to get.​

• Bloomberg has now published not one, but two articles about CDS confirming loses on our side! it just shows they want to amplify our losses and downplay Pakistan's losses. Look at the article headlines y'all:-​

• "India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent Pakistan Conflict"​

• India Confirms It Lost Fighter Jets in Recent "Pakistan Conflict"​

• Interesting to note that both the articles were published in few minutes of each other.​

This sick habit "Western media and Gora Validation" is going to cost us a lot in the narrative war, let's see how things will play out in a few days. Let's hope for the best folks.

 

[sameer]

What is the point of making a vague statement like this to anti-India media?
If they want to reveal any losses they can do it via official methods?

Gloomberg would never interview a 4 star yankee general about fighter losses to the Houthis. Giving a 1 on 1 interview to these clowns is the first mistake.

Babus in the gormint failed to realize this is a setup from the very beginning.

Anyway, He should've atleast said something about Paki jet losses, instead he launched into 'how we learnt from our mistakes yada yada'. Atleast say we crashed 3 or more Paki jets in return, kon verify karega. Standard good boy syndrome.

 

[ezsasa]

What is the point of making a vague statement like this to anti-India media?
If they want to reveal any losses they can do it via official methods?

not sure for now, we can only speculate, and within speculations almost every possibility is covered by the members in this thread.
something went down that's what the forces are confirming.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

The post I was responding to was about narrative warfare. If he had come out and spoken boldly, there would be more blackpilling and bhosadpilling here. But yes, all this brainrot aside, I agree. He should've come clean and also revealed Paki losses if we inflicted any (we definitely did, the burning C-130s are most damning of all).

As for IAF being the weakest link, it's already true, there's nothing to come out about. There are genuine problems in the branch regarding acquisition and fleet maintenance. It's a topic for another day and another thread.

Maybe but why say these comical things now? Is there some kind of rule? I feel like our global affairs handling is pretty immature. Anyways we need more details about what exactly was lost before we can say how the IAF actually performed. It is vague now.