Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Azaad]

let's get one thing clear in our heads, the world is not going to give us easy victories, there are big monies involved. India's journey as 4th largest economy is going to be like this. this happened to china too , later chini developed a system to manage these things.

no matter what happens, International media will be hostile to India, better get used to it.
these "got cha" question traps will keep happening, there are many groups within India who give inputs to international media to set these up.
GoI has to create a policy framework with monetary support, to manage international media.

Yes but please do tell me where's it written we make our lives difficult by such interviews ? We can't prevent the western media from writing whatever they do .We also have an open house policy where we host such media in spite of their known antagonism to this regime on ideological grounds if not India as a country.

To add to the problems the PM doesn't believe in the media . Well , after 11 yrs in the saddle as PM & 13 years in Gujarat he can afford to be aloof but that's not how the real world functions which is to say his successor whoever he is will face a tough time for the knives will be out for him at the very start & all these worthies who've not managed to create a dent in Leaderji's aura will be back with a vengeance when his successor takes up the job.

If Modi isn't thinking along those lines be better be . He's not getting any younger & it's probably this thought process of his which is impeding the creation of our own world wide service like AJ & BBC.

Practically every nation worth their salt has an international media presence , network & coverage from RoK & Japan in the east to Spain in the west & Russia , Germany , France in between what to speak of Turkey & measly Qatar which has been punching above its weight for 2 decades and counting now. Even the Saudis were forced to respond with Al Arabiya.

For at the end of the day you can expel journalists ban publications etc but there's no better way of getting back than in kind which is by having our own international news service. It's been 11 years & counting & we've had statements to this effect by senior government functionaries like Sanjiv Sanyal & Dr Jaishankar but precious little movement on the ground. What do we blame this apathy on ?

 

[Captscooby]

Although, if reports are to be believed, I think gormint is planning to release a deatiled report documenting paki losses.

This is must and most important should have done on the first week of Ops ending instead we thought we will let the paki's walk away showing some great magnanimity by not detailing their losses with accurate numbers and used vague words like We don't count body bags we don't have the wreckage on our side ..We hit some hitech new generation aircraft , i will leave it to your imagination nonsense ..

Lets put the numbers out ..Also remember those tweets by all Big journalist of Paki pilot captured and later all deleted those tweets they should come out and tell now if we ever had captured a paki pilot alive or dead one .

No need to let the paki walk away from this so easily ..

 

[shade2]

If Modi isn't thinking along those lines be better be . He's not getting any younger & it's probably this thought process of his which is impeding the creation of our own world wide service like AJ & BBC.

Practically every nation worth their salt has an international media presence , network & coverage from RoK & Japan in the east to Spain in the west & Russia , Germany , France in between what to speak of Turkey & measly Qatar which has been punching above its weight for 2 decades and counting now. Even the Saudis were forced to respond with Al Arabiya.

For at the end of the day you can expel journalists ban publications etc but there's no better way of getting back than in kind which is by having our own international news service. It's been 11 years & counting & we've had statements to this effect by senior government functionaries like Sanjiv Sanyal & Dr Jaishankar but precious little movement on the ground. What do we blame this apathy on ?

I have a vague memory of Smriti Irani being I&B minister and saying that we will upgrade DD to be a "global" news website/channel etc like BBC or Al-Jizzeera or TRT world whatever

Nothing has happened

Looks like they have outsourced things to wion.

 

[Nicky]

Maybe this was deliberate from cds seems like rehearsed even the antiindian headline was obvious from her questions .Seemed like cds acted against india in this interview .

Hard to imagine someone at such level deliberately being anti-Indian. So unless we have evidence, I'll refrain from accusing him.

At this stage, it's just supreme incompetence. The government should approve who these folks give interviews to and what they state.

 

[Captscooby]

Good boy syndrome.

View: https://x.com/rv_srivatsa/status/1928733958541398491?t=IAbpJe0kshELN5DyU8G-9g&s=19

Ya right now forces have to learn word play and narrative building apart from firing RPG and Shooting . So now they will attend an extra class of soft skills training by same Libergandu leftshits ..

Its not army job to give this explanations to media you either issue a complete ban of officers talking to media or you let someone else do it Dpro is primarily there for that reason only ..Get a set of questions and let the DPro answer to those after taking inputs from officers .

 

[ezsasa]

To add to the problems the PM doesn't believe in the media . Well , after 11 yrs in the saddle as PM & 13 years in Gujarat he can afford to be aloof but that's not how the real world functions which is to say his successor whoever he is will face a tough time for the knives will be out for him at the very start & all these worthies who've not managed to create a dent in Leaderji's aura will be back with a vengeance when his successor takes up the job.

Yes, this is a very real possibility,

We the public need to brace for impact.

 

[concard]

I accept losses are part of combat. I am not under any illusion like the subhumans across the border that they have not lost any anything. What I was screaming on top of my lungs right from the day the terror attack happened was, this time there won't be any element of surprise. So we got to bide our time and then retaliate. I specifically even said even though many disagreed strongly here, that we must strike them at the onset of winter. That will give us enough time to prepare and improvise and most importantly make sure Chinese are kept away from the conflict while we can engage the Pakis in a long duration conflict.

Okay, we wanted revenge immediately. Apparently, Modi and his ilk didn't want to waste time and hit them sooner after 15 days. You attacked them without an element of surprise. Now, why the fuck did you give orders to them not to do SEAD and DEAD before striking them? I want to take a giant swing at that haramkore who suggested we should not hit their military assets. I am sick and fed up of our supreme leader who still after 10 years has not understood Paki military and terrorists are part of the same coin. What the fuck he is smoking? I literally said in this very forum, whether you attack only their terror infrastructure or you hit their military assets or both, the Porki retaliation will only be targeting our military assets.

There is only one way to redeem from this fiasco, let our supreme leader order a preemptive strike on their terror infrastructure which anyway will come up in few months and also their military assets in few months time. Tell all the branches of military now, winter is coming and ask them to prepare for a massive strike against Pork land in few months time.

 

[chnvipgz]

Hard to imagine someone at such level deliberately being anti-Indian. So unless we have evidence, I'll refrain from accusing him.

At this stage, it's just supreme incompetence. The government should approve who these folks give interviews to and what they state.

Forgot about raw station chief and army major rabinder singh .Even today praveen swaheney,susu swamy are foreign agents and many more during indira gandhi read mitrokhin files.
Most sikular,bhimtas,mlecchas,commies and folks who work for foreign media shouldn't be allowed in any govt job neither their family members.

Rabinder Singh (intelligence officer) - Wikipedia

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[Captscooby]

If the conflict is over, Indian government should release the number of Pakistani and Indian assets lost during it—along with proof. But I’m not sure if the conflict is over, since Narendra Modi said it isn’t, and there’s a civil mock drill happening today.

The conflict is long over .. its just Mudi ji is using his speeches to make it look like its still active .. Remember its always easy to move a vehicle when it is in motion then park it overnight and restart next day .. If we have to take any action now the entire world especially the Gora media and the govt will be spitting narrative against us ..

Which is why you don't fucking agree for a ceasefire when your enemy is getting crushed under your knee .. you agreed for a ceasefire and gave him a breather when he was almost choking now watch him go around the world painting as if he was never under the suffocation ..

now wait patiently and also anxiously for the enemy to give you second opportunity

 

[Miss Firing]

View: https://x.com/centerofright/status/1928770960544395409?t=u_dhqkFvkl6wgV5Eg-d_5A&s=19

Not to be missed in the din -

This guy revealed the locations of 14 naval assets out of which 5 were CORRECT. Let that sink in.

And yes, it was for "romance".

Another filthy stinking gutter traitor who thought Angel Priya was really in luv with him.

Should be executed.

 

[Ajatshatru]

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I think Indian Air Force lost some drones,

That's it.

 

[crazywithmath]

And yes, it was for "romance".

Another filthy stinking gutter traitor who thought Angel Priya was really in luv with him.

That is what his mother is claiming. ATS is claiming that he did it for money and knew exactly what he was getting into.

 

[chnvipgz]

I have a vague memory of Smriti Irani being I&B minister and saying that we will upgrade DD to be a "global" news website/channel etc like BBC or Al-Jizzeera or TRT world whatever

Nothing has happened

Looks like they have outsourced things to wion.

And wion is antihindu antiindian many of its muslim anchors were exposed spewing hate during Ram temple inauguration.

 

[sameer]

I have a vague memory of Smriti Irani being I&B minister and saying that we will upgrade DD to be a "global" news website/channel etc like BBC or Al-Jizzeera or TRT world whatever

Nothing has happened

Looks like they have outsourced things to wion.

DD is also run by babooze and boomers , okay for domestic consumption, but totally incapable of mounting any kind of IW. I have phul confidence that even if they upgrade it, won’t amount to much.

Need to start a new org form ground up.

 

[indrajit]

Ohh..come on ..You sound like a "I don't drink but my friends forced me to drink it "
Dude he is not 5 years old ..He could have easily avoided the question but nooo .this loudmouth has to make a statement and that too so stupid that it is against our country interest..
If you are so concerned about the media outlet why the fuck you gave interview ?? Did he was paid money to sell his country ??

You don't understand his point. People at the level of the CDS don't make off the cuff remarks and keep repeating it. This was authorized at the highest level, above his pay grade.. The CDS didn't just make these remarks on his own. There is no way that he didn't know that the question of losses was going to come up and wasn't briefed on what to say.

I accept that his comments are exceedingly obtuse but he didn't go solo here.

 

[Ajatshatru]

7 out of 9 targets were hit by Army. 2 were hit by airforce (using likely SOW). As per open information Rafales and MKIs were mainly used. And the crash sites seem to indicate Mig29/Mirage, so don’t exactly know when and which went down

I have seen videos showing the wreckage of a Pakistani Mirage III and a JF-17 on the Indian side. These have been verified by experts, and military analyst Tom Cooper has also shared footage, including images of the Mirage 5’s ejection seat.

 

[Azaad]

Pralay is operational.
Depressed trajectories indicate a modern nuke delivery vehicle, which PAK will use if it means to nuke India.. Fatah missiles are old and easy to intercept.. not ones that Pakistan would use to deliver nukes..

Pralay is operational now after we faced the Chinese in Galwan. Up until Galwan our security managers basing their assessment on the equally competent MEA babooos never factored a war with China .

I'd argue even though they've factored it in their calculations now their response still remains wishy washy.

Depressed trajectories are simply meant to confuse ABMs by changing their trajectory. They've nothing to do with the nature of the payload.

You can very well send a conventional payload on a BM with a depressed trajectory if you feel there's a chance it'd be intercepted.
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China still threatened India with nukes during Sumdurong Chu standoff..although China has NFU since 1960s

First time I'm hearing of it. Perhaps you've credible sources to back up your claims.

India too might not be strictly NFU..and might use counter force tactical nukes if nuclear use by Pakistan is imminent.. Ultimately these NFU declarations don't mean much..and you can't base your military plans on enemy's good intentions..

We've a CF & CV policy if we've credible information Paxtan's planning a nuke strike. That may or may not involve usage of nukes on our part.

I wrote China's so called conventional ballistic missiles "could" be carrying nukes.. DF-17 or DF-26 could be nuclear delivery vehicles as well.. But, no country will initiate a nuclear war against China just because a DF-17 or DF-26 is in the air and moving towards them, and could be carrying nukes.. because initiating a nuclear war against a major nuclear war is guarantee to have one's own ass turned into radio active toast..

Because China's a NFU policy. You take it at face value until otherwise. Besides isn't it common sense a country like China with a vast conventional superiority with practically no peers worth the name save one will hardly initiate with nukes ?

Now if you're arguing the other way around that China get away using nukes against India or the US after initiating such a move I don't think you're thinking this one through.

Further the US doesn't have a NFU plus they've the wherewithal to take on China even after initiating delivery of nukes.

Anyway we seem to have deviated from the main topic & these kind of discussions can go on forever. I bow out respectfully.

 

[TopWatcher]

Why so much discussion that we lost some aircraft it's happen in war. Big thing no pilot life lost and we won.

Pakistan always find win in loss but we find loss in win. Than why we talking about taking pok.

 

[shade2]

I accept losses are part of combat. I am not under any illusion like the subhumans across the border that they have not lost any anything. What I was screaming on top of my lungs right from the day the terror attack happened was, this time there won't be any element of surprise. So we got to bide our time and then retaliate. I specifically even said even though many disagreed strongly here, that we must strike them at the onset of winter. That will give us enough time to prepare and improvise and most importantly make sure Chinese are kept away from the conflict while we can engage the Pakis in a long duration conflict.

Okay, we wanted revenge immediately. Apparently, Modi and his ilk didn't want to waste time and hit them sooner after 15 days. You attacked them without an element of surprise. Now, why the fuck did you give orders to them not to do SEAD and DEAD before striking them? I want to take a giant swing at that haramkore who suggested we should not hit their military assets. I am sick and fed up of our supreme leader who still after 10 years has not understood Paki military and terrorists are part of the same coin. What the fuck he is smoking? I literally said in this very forum, whether you attack only their terror infrastructure or you hit their military assets or both, the Porki retaliation will only be targeting our military assets.

There is only one way to redeem from this fiasco, let our supreme leader order a preemptive strike on their terror infrastructure which anyway will come up in few months and also their military assets in few months time. Tell all the branches of military now, winter is coming and ask them to prepare for a massive strike against Pork land in few months time.

Arre he knows.
This is for Gora sahib govts, ref my below post

Narrative matlab only what is served to Gora sahib's govts, not media.
The narrative here is "we are not the aggressor, we hit terrorist sites onlee, that too at night to avoid civilian casualties, neither did we attack pak military installations saaar!"

Too much concern of this govt is accorded to "Gore sahib kya kahenge karenge if we are seen as bad boys?"
Sarkar lives in the shadow of upset gora sahib govts applying sanctions and embargoes, whether declared or not.

Accordingly Gora Sahibs take advantage of these sarkari behaviors, like al-Baakistan used to take advantage of previous Govt's over muh nukes wagera

 

[Master of Indus]

Not to be missed in the din -

This guy revealed the locations of 14 naval assets out of which 5 were CORRECT. Let that sink in.

And yes, it was for "romance".

Another filthy stinking gutter traitor who thought Angel Priya was really in luv with him.

Should be executed.

LOL most of the engineers lack any romantic engagements throughout their college lives, hence at a first instance a fair girl says something nice, they straight away fall in love and start family planning with immediate effect. This is a fact (and please don't deny it, I know it for a fact) and it's the very reason most of the engineers are really dumb while dealing with the opposite sex!

Once honey trapped by ISI agents, they are too scared to reveal what dumb@$$ they are and get deeper into this shyt, start taking money, they just go deeper and deeper. The only solution is zero privacy for anyone working for the defence be it permanent or contractual.