Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[fire starter]

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[maximus777]

You know, Truman was repeatedly told by his Generals to nuke China during the Korean war . While Mao out up a brave face and said that China could bear the loss of a few cities, there is little doubt that if nuclear weapons were used, China would have lost. Truman demurred, the Korean war ended in a stalemate and the cost to the US has been infinitely more than if they had nuked and defeated China.

There is sometimes more nuance to a decision than what we can see. More compulsion, more pressure...We need to accept the good instead of harking for the best solution which may never come. Very easy to say that we can bear the costs when we are not directly responsible for those decisions. Some prudence and some perspective won't hurt.

Spot on analysis for a sane enemy, but Pakis are a special breed who understand only brute force and public lashings. So an opportunity was missed!

Unkil Sam stepped in at the slightest hint of nookular movement, and I dare say, they would have stepped in and done what needed to be done if the retards started mating the missiles/aircraft with warheads. Not to mention what IAF/IN would have done at that point. So the nuke umbrella theory is firmly put to rest.

 

[Doreamon]

Since CDS has already said it . Let me bring out possible loss

1 . Rafale - m88 engine in bhatinda and mica along with missile lunch rail just 19km from there . May be earlier it was confused with mirage 2000

2 . Su30 or mig 29- k36DM ejection seat . Report of pilot injury and admitted to hospital . One pilot means mig 29 .

3. Heron drone . Confirmed from the image I have seen .

There were some posts by Pakistani on mirage loss . But have nt got any confirmation.

Besides in early clash hours some official had broken the information of 3 jets going down . The reason Pakistani says is PL 15 fired from j10 guided by Awacs and chinese satellites through out of the operation theater command centers.

 

[ezsasa]

I don't think Chinis were this much dumb when they had the gdp of 3.5 trillion dollars.

it's difficult to find those news reports now, i remember watching them on cable TV news, usually BBC news reports.

chini started hitting back during obama presidency, they even wiped out entire CIA network in one swoop. before that, they too were harassed with the same themes(poverty, law and order, rural china etc.) that are used on us by gora media.

 

[Numero]

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Game started by soros agents for mahatma modi he must now come to the front and bring back his 2002 arc.


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Modi ke namazis accusing cds.


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The party which crippled the whole Indian defence ecosysten for decades through corruption & turned India to an import house is so worried now... Oh the irony!Day night they dream about Rafale.

 

[indrajit]

let's get one thing clear in our heads, the world is not going to give us easy victories, there are big monies involved. India's journey as 4th largest economy is going to be like this. this happened to china too , later chini developed a system to manage these things.

no matter what happens, International media will be hostile to India, better get used to it.
these "got cha" question traps will keep happening, there are many groups within India who give inputs to international media to set these up.
GoI has to create a policy framework with monetary support, to manage international media.

I agree with everything you said, only adding that the last line must be said with a hope & a prayer. I fear that we both will get old and our teeth will fall out before that happens.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

Since CDS has already said it . Let me bring out possible loss

1 . Rafale - m88 engine in bhatinda and mica along with missile lunch rail just 19km from there . May be earlier it was confused with mirage 2000

2 . Su30 or mig 29- k36DM ejection seat . Report of pilot injury and admitted to hospital . One pilot means mig 29 .

3. Heron drone . Confirmed from the image I have seen .

There were some posts by Pakistani on mirage loss . But have nt got any confirmation.

Besides in early clash hours some official had broken the information of 3 jets going down . The reason Pakistani says is PL 15 fired from j10 guided by Awacs and chinese satellites thorough out of the theater command centers.

Mirage 2K was claimed at Wuyan, Pampore , South Kashmir

Isn't that too far for a BVR kill

Images were that of a Drop Tank in a House

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

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If Pakistan is still existent, fully intact, and properly functioning 5 years from now - that's a massive Indian failure in and of itself. The only permanent and correct solution is unleashing a full scale campaign now to break them sub-conventionally. Pakistan has to cease existing - discover, create and exploit every single possible, imaginable fault-line and vulnerability there

5 years from now, at the absolute minimum: Pashtun and Baloch areas should be independent of Pakistani occupation and control in at least a "de facto" sense if not fully "de jure" - and the movement against Pakistani control should have truly taken off in Sindh as well

 

[Doreamon]

Mirage 2K was claimed at Wuyan, Pampore , South Kashmir

Isn't that too far for a BVR kill

Images were that of a Drop Tank in a House

You are supposed to Drop the Drop tank after mission is complete and fly at high speed with lower drag and weight . Drop tank does nt prove anything .

 

[Sickle_Cut]

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Wishful thinking

PAF feels confident with their data links integration into SAAB and all their jets.

They were hurt with missile strikes ( with the final hit by IAF )

PAF , JeM , L e T are all thirsty for revenge

Political will and Modi's chest thumping is hollow wihtout military muscle .

If Modi was a Wishwa guru why he failed military modernisation and left it to Parikar or Rawat.

 

[RaptorKiller]

Since CDS has already said it . Let me bring out possible loss

1 . Rafale - m88 engine in bhatinda and mica along with missile lunch rail just 19km from there . May be earlier it was confused with mirage 2000

2 . Su30 or mig 29- k36DM ejection seat . Report of pilot injury and admitted to hospital . One pilot means mig 29 .

3. Heron drone . Confirmed from the image I have seen .

There were some posts by Pakistani on mirage loss . But have nt got any confirmation.

Besides in early clash hours some official had broken the information of 3 jets going down . The reason Pakistani says is PL 15 fired from j10 guided by Awacs and chinese satellites through out of the operation theater command centers.

Rafale in Bathinda I am pretty sure is a Friendly fire incident, and the Mig29 possibly shot by PAF air to air missile or SAM. Other than that, I want some clarity about the Akhnoor crash one, initially there was a video where Akash missile was seen engaging a Target possibly JF17 and wreckage looks like one. It is mostly Jf17 but a small chance also exist it to be Mirage 2000. And that, Jammu wreckage 100% surely is Mirage 3/5 of PAF.

 

[Sanglamorre]

That's one hell of a way to discourage even more talent from working for us in addition to the disappointing salary. As someone suggested earlier, @Sanglamorre , I believe, India must consider honey trapping it's own scientists and engineers to perform counter intelligence. Would be way more effective as counter intelligence and to root out moles.

Even the knowledge that intel agencies conduct such operations at any point in one's career would keep these chutpaglus on their toes.

It is time we hammered out a proper course in honeytrapping as required reading/metric of advancement in services like these. We should acknowledge who we are (chutpaglus in general society, as if our population didn't already indicate that) and take counter steps.

Next problem will be AI deepfake Angel Priyas and Svetlana Russians. Can't even fathom the issues when Farhan from Lahore can create 20 deepfake profiles with on demand video calls to trap these guys with already weak recognition of traps.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

People like Mao and Stalin prioritised Military Affairs in wake of hostile neighbours.

Why Poland is modernising at break neck speed ?

Why Kargil happened, despite so called bravardo of Indian Army ( cause retards exist in army )

A guy on reddit pointed rightfully

India could have used S2S and Nirbhay along with Drones

There was no need to show off Rafales and A2G stuff ( knowing fully PAF was mobilised and has AWACS and BVR advantage )

 

[Numero]

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Bro is bragging against media that the jet crash was a part & parcel of learning Lmao Who does that? Is he gonna write a book over it now?
Jet crashed, accept it & move on.
Such secrecy & childish word play have rather diluted what we've achieved & destroyed our whole narrative. We should have accepted the first day & been blunt about it.
You don't fight war just to take lessons & then flex about it. The body language is L tier, non threatning. It feels like the interviewer owns him.
Doesn't matter how much biased the media is. At least use some brain while talking.
Pakistanis have all rights to celebrate. They've the narrative win.

 

[shankyz]

The blackpilling in this thread is astounding.

If this keyboard warrior generation was present in 1971 during the Indo Pak war , they would have psychologically given up on the first few days only , same goes for USAF losses in the 1st Gulf War.

Need to focus on the objectives - we hit all our targets with pinpoint accuracy.

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

Doesn't make sense. Why would the French not deliver Meteor even after the delivery of Rafales? If they are delivered then it can be mated with Rafale as the French have the source code anyway. We don't know whether they were armed with Meteor or not. But the whole hype about PL-15E is BS. That missile does not have 400km range in real conditions. And neither JF-17 or J-10 has the capability to guide PL-15E until terminal phase. Their onboard radars have less than 200km detection range realistically speaking.

Some things are still not making sense. If Pakis were really confident about shooting down Jets why did their air force was barely in action when we were pounding them after that night? F-16s were not in action. They seem to have relied on JF-17 and J-10. IAF needs to get it's act together and go for the kill next time. Pakis are not going to get any air defense systems anytime soon. It's time for Phase 2 of operation sindoor. Their air assets must be destroyed without any restraint.

Just a minor correction!
PL-15 has never been claimed to have a range of 400 Kms, I believe you are confused with the PL-17. The PL-17 is the one that is touted to possess a formidable range of 400kms.
The PL-15 is claimed to have a range of 200-300 kms which is still impressive if the claims of the Chinese are to be taken at face value. 200kms sounds more believable. Whereas 300 km sounds very far fetched. I personally do not believe that the PL-15 can attain a max range of 300 kms because it does not have the dimensions or design to achieve those ranges.
Pakistan has been sold the PL-15E which is the export version of the PL-15.
Here is a document citing the specifications of the PL-15E, as you can see the max range is stated to be 145kms.

It is a commonly established fact that the Chinese purposely hype up their weapons but we should not let our guard down, remember they are the Chinese. While they may not be as powerful as they claim to be, they are not Pakistan by any stretch of means. To counter the BVR threats from our regional adversaries and maintain an edge, we need to fastrack our Astra BVRAAM program. India is doing very well in the field of missile technology and we need to leverage our expertise to churn out more longer range variants of Astra.

I will say some important words which we should follow as our mentality.

"Always hope for the best.​

Always expect the worst. ​

Always be prepared for the worst."​

Never underestimate your adversary, always assume the worst case scenario and prepare accordingly to that.

 

[Ajatshatru]

All strikes executed without loss of Indian assets

'All strikes on Pakistan executed without loss of Indian assets': India's big update on Op Sindoor - BusinessToday

Strikes were conducted on Pakistani airbases including Noor Khan and Rahimyar Khan, using loitering munitions, or kamikaze drones, which hover before selecting and destroying high-value targets

www.businesstoday.in

 

[Pazhassiraja]

The words of the CDs is like this "what is important is not the jet being down but why they were BEING down. After it was sorted, "all" our jets few sorties'.. so this statement can have 2 meanings
1. Initially some (less than 6) were shot down OR
2. Dut to Pakistani surveillance and air defence, they were not flying (that is, they were down on the ground). He never said that these were shot down.

 

[bablu666]

it's difficult to find those news reports now, i remember watching them on cable TV news, usually BBC news reports.

chini started hitting back during obama presidency, they even wiped out entire CIA network in one swoop. before that, they too were harassed with the same themes(poverty, law and order, rural china etc.) that are used on us by gora media.

no i mean the chinis themselves were not self-sabotaging themselves in the past like India does right now in narrative and info war.

 

[crazywithmath]

Even the knowledge that intel agencies conduct such operations at any point in one's career would keep these chutpaglus on their toes.

It is time we hammered out a proper course in honeytrapping as required reading/metric of advancement in services like these. We should acknowledge who we are (chutpaglus in general society, as if our population didn't already indicate that) and take counter steps.

Next problem will be AI deepfake Angel Priyas and Svetlana Russians. Can't even fathom the issues when Farhan from Lahore can create 20 deepfake profiles with on demand video calls to trap these guys with already weak recognition of traps.

The most recent incident is NOT a honey trapping incident. The junior engineer knew exactly what he was getting himself into and got paid through international and Indian bank accounts. ATS is now probing the details and they suspect a deep network of spies.

If true, it will prove out to be far more damaging than anything we have encountered before.

I have come across some of those 'leaked' chats of the previously arrested DRDO/DPSU guys on Telegram/xitter etc. Those boomers talked like teenagers, bragged like anything and were stupid enough to get caught in a very short period of time.

This incident, otoh, smells trouble.