Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Yuyutsu said:
kerala and bengal are more dangerous than kashmir , even bengal is better with these brainless kachha baniyans bangladeshis but kerala is way more dangerous with total support from ME and european missionaries.
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Kannadiga will attack a
Vinash said:
For god's sake, Soros is a small fish.

He's just one of the tools that the western deep state uses. You are right about the rest i.e wokery in our forces is being pushed by vested interests and our leaders being the insecure idiots who crave for foreign validation are portraying it as a great thing.
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Babu is your answer you think political leaders do have time and brain to think of all this nonsense no ,it's babu's who put this idiotic things into a leaders head
 
ezsasa said:
that's not my question, my question is about your understanding of national security.

national security is a vast subject, which encompasses almost everything under the sun starting from history to current day economics, but you seem to be obsessed with a political party. it's ok to have political opinions and preferences.

my curiosity is about your world view, is it a conscious decision or is it a case of blindly aping trends you saw on SM or some traditional platform ?
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India being a parliamentary democracy so political party ideology matters a lot in framing the future policies of india across many spectrum which will affect livelihoods of everyone hence people voted congress upa out due to their antihindu pro islamic policies but bjp is now going against it's own ideology and is framing dei policies into indian military which is affecting our war fighting and thinking hence we lost jets during may 7 and our own cds called it a mistake to soros media about this and put iaf under the bus.
 
gokusan said:
Kannadiga will attack a
Babu is your answer you think political leaders do have time and brain to think of all this nonsense no ,it's babu's who put this idiotic things into a leaders head
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Then break that support
How long till this support reaches the karnataka heartland?
We have listed enemies and there are innovative ways to deal with them yet Hindus never even try doing anything and turn on their own brethren who take initiatives
 
chnvipgz said:
India being a parliamentary democracy so political party ideology matters a lot in framing the future policies of india across many spectrum which will affect livelihoods of everyone hence people voted congress upa out due to their antihindu pro islamic policies but bjp is now going against it's own ideology and is framing dei policies into indian military which is affecting our war fighting and thinking hence we lost jets during may 7 and our own cds called it a mistake to soros media about this and put iaf under the bus.
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response is again political talking points.

so, either you don't have control over your own thought process, you don't know how you got here.
or
you are being disingenuous, when someone is trying to have a good faith discussion with you as an individual.

your call mate. bye.
 
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Ajatshatru said:

View: https://youtu.be/NvmxAB47T34?si=PsPiUa4E9zb_R97S
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Precision, Perfection and Accuracy have been Hallmarks of IAF Golden Strikes in Pakistan: Targets Obliterated from the Face of Earth

Author: Colonel Vinayak Bhat (Retd)​



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Precision, Perfection and Accuracy have been Hallmarks of IAF Golden Strikes in Pakistan: Targets Obliterated from the Face of Earth

Pakistan's efforts at safeguarding their assets by hiding them in HDBTs have failed miserably, and the ingenuity of IAF in striking these
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Decahex said:
The only way a war can go from being an economic liability to a profitable endeavor is if the local industry gets in on the action. So, for the love of gods, please invest even more in indigenous tech development and manufacturing, please. 🙏
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That's a good point. For anyone who doubts this should check out growth rates of Nazi Germany before the war and during the war. A country having military industrial complex making sophisticated weaponry excels in other areas of technology meant for civilian use. Let's not forget it was Germans who came up with Jet Engine and Rocket technology during war time. We need to urgently invest INR 1 Lakh crore each year in military R&D. This will have a ripple effect in creating skilled work force and can benefit from spin off technologies. Look at the Israelis who have created a military industry suited to their needs. It's shameful we have not been able to do that.
 
concard said:
That's a good point. For anyone who doubts this should check out growth rates of Nazi Germany before the war and during the war. A country having military industrial complex making sophisticated weaponry excels in other areas of technology meant for civilian use. Let's not forget it was Germans who came up with Jet Engine and Rocket technology during war time. We need to urgently invest INR 1 Lakh crore each year in military R&D. This will have a ripple effect in creating skilled work force and can benefit from spin off technologies. Look at the Israelis who have created a military industry suited to their needs. It's shameful we have not been able to do that.
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we also have to remember that nationalist socialist party was born, as a response to vindictiveness of zooropian mindset, they were humiliated and had a point to prove against their zooropian counterparts. german state under nazi party took control over all industries, consolidated and reprioritized infra and industrialisation.

in our case, national priorities are pulled in hundred different directions every week. i.e focussing on multiple problems in mission mode at the same time.

and yes, it's time to prioritise engines both military(medium term) and civil(long term), invest in all support structures that can produce this outcome.
 
Anants said:
My worry is Paki and china getting ideas from it. Using big drones to smuggle small drones in and try harm us somewhere deep. But if they have any brains to do 1+1 , they shall draw lessons from opsindoor and keep away
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So it seems .. it was already attempted and it was thwarted before Good Job. We should be more alert and quickly deploy anti drone measures across vital installations across country quickly. More over Truck/vehicle Scanners should be employed on selected important highway, road choke points, Toll plazas..

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Ukraine’s Spiderweb drone attack on Russia stunned the world. Months earlier, India uncovered a similar ISIS-linked drone plot near Mumbai

The drones flew just a few feet above the ground and provided crystal-clear visuals of Russian bombers and early warning aircraft, including Tu-95s and the A-50. Each drone, carrying precision munitions, struck the targets with remarkable accuracy. | OpIndia News
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concard said:
That's a good point. For anyone who doubts this should check out growth rates of Nazi Germany before the war and during the war. A country having military industrial complex making sophisticated weaponry excels in other areas of technology meant for civilian use. Let's not forget it was Germans who came up with Jet Engine and Rocket technology during war time. We need to urgently invest INR 1 Lakh crore each year in military R&D. This will have a ripple effect in creating skilled work force and can benefit from spin off technologies. Look at the Israelis who have created a military industry suited to their needs. It's shameful we have not been able to do that
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The point goes a LOT further before nazi germany.
Remember, Nazi germany was like post ww2 germany - coming in when their economy & infrastructure is devastated ( nazis got in about 10 years afrer end of ww1 and thanks to versailles treaty, germany was pretty gibbled in infrastructure from lack of spending in re-construction post war).
But their industrial expertise goes back to the time of Bismark, where the railway system of Germany totally overwhelmed the French military as the main decisive winning factor. Since then Germany went into race of dreadnaughts and then race of battleships with British Empire and did well - while they never really challenged British naval dominance, they were able to maintain approx 66% fleet strength in Europe relative to the English fleet.
So while the point is true that military excellence breeds domestic excellence, it really is a feedback loop that goes through cycles, where domestic tech & industrial machinery leads to military innovations and then vice versa.

In terms of military R&D, its not just about money, its about setting up the infrastructure - we need to build capacity to absorb indian engineering talent INTO defence industries. that is the greatest need of our defence sector for now.
 
ezsasa said:
-calm down, and observe what is happening.
-there will be a time for rhetoric, soon enough.
-if you intend to make yourself useful to this forum, bring us public info that has missed so far. especially what different players in the game are saying and posturing.
-it's not that rest of us do not have imagination, we are choosing not to let anxiety be the primary emotion when interacting with fellow members.
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i hope that the information is relevant to this sentence in bold has been documented properly, not just anecdotes.
 
chnvipgz said:

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The job of the CDS is to advise the CCS on Military Matters, coordinate between the forces and the CCS, and plan operations in the most effective way possible.
His job does not require him to be media-trained or anything like that. We are not intellectually capable of questioning the CDS or our COAS, Army Chief, or the Navy Chief.

We have a professional Armed Forces which have delivered results based upon the objectives outlined by the CCS.

Twitter discourse is non-serious and purely vibe-based.
 
for future reference, paki exfart's point of view opinion on the aftermath of op sindoor, this is that karachi fellow who got YT views for that UPI and his India visit video.

  • India’s Acknowledgment of Losses: Indian leaders have quietly admitted that their aircraft (estimated at five to six) were shot down during a recent short war, though they have not specified the exact number.
  • Pakistan’s Military Performance: Despite domestic challenges (economic distress, political instability, and insurgencies), Pakistan demonstrated competent military performance, altering the perception of it as a failing state.
  • India’s Military Actions: India targeted Pakistani airbases, notably Nur Khan Airbase, escalating the conflict and creating a significant stir in international perceptions.
  • Shift in Global Perceptions: The short war is described as a game-changer and inflection point, reshaping American and international views of Pakistan’s resilience and India’s assertiveness, with India’s losses adding complexity to its image.
  • U.S. View on India-Pakistan Dynamics: The U.S. perceives India’s focus on Pakistan as a distraction from the larger strategic competition with China, urging India to prioritize maritime power projection over regional conflicts.
  • Decline of Counter-Terrorism Priority: The U.S. has deprioritized counter-terrorism, viewing it as a “dying industry” after spending two to three trillion dollars, and questions India’s justification of military actions as counter-terrorism measures.
  • U.S. Strategic Concerns with India: The U.S. sees India as a key partner to counter China but is skeptical of its maritime capabilities and independent foreign policy, fearing it could become an autonomous power center like China.
  • India’s Business Climate Challenges: India’s regulatory and infrastructure hurdles limit its ability to absorb manufacturing capacity from China, frustrating U.S. efforts to diversify supply chains (e.g., Foxconn’s planned iPhone component factory in Chennai).
  • U.S.-Pakistan Engagement: A Pakistani delegation is visiting Washington to discuss trade, indicating U.S. efforts to maintain balanced relations with Pakistan despite aligning with India against China.
  • U.S. Trade Negotiations with India: The U.S., under President Trump, is pursuing a trade deal with India (Phase One-A), with a potential conclusion by mid-June 2025, followed by Phases Two and Three, though past trade grievances (e.g., Harley-Davidson tariffs) persist.
  • Historical U.S. Strategy: The U.S. has a history of aligning with regional powers (e.g., Stalin against Hitler, Mao against the Soviet Union) and is now considering siding with India to counter China, though feasibility is questioned due to India’s limitations and losses.
  • Resource Misallocation by India: The U.S. believes India’s focus on regional disputes (e.g., Line of Control, Kashmir) misallocates resources that could be used for maritime power projection or economic competition with China.
  • Diverse Discussions in Washington: Conversations about the crisis occur across multiple U.S. departments, reflecting the complexity of American bureaucracy, with a net assessment expected to shape future policy.
  • India’s Rising Power Status: India is recognized as the fourth or fifth largest economy by GDP, but its independent foreign policy, regional entanglements, and recent military losses limit its alignment with U.S. strategic goals.
  • Risk of Over-Escalation: The U.S. has urged both India and Pakistan to de-escalate, expressing concern that India’s actions, coupled with its acknowledged losses, may not align with broader strategic priorities and could indicate unreadiness for a larger role.

View: https://youtu.be/PA7aCEjRw40
 
ezsasa said:
for future reference, paki exfart's point of view opinion on the aftermath of op sindoor, this is that karachi fellow who got YT views for that UPI and his India visit video.

  • India’s Acknowledgment of Losses: Indian leaders have quietly admitted that their aircraft (estimated at five to six) were shot down during a recent short war, though they have not specified the exact number.
  • Pakistan’s Military Performance: Despite domestic challenges (economic distress, political instability, and insurgencies), Pakistan demonstrated competent military performance, altering the perception of it as a failing state.
  • India’s Military Actions: India targeted Pakistani airbases, notably Nur Khan Airbase, escalating the conflict and creating a significant stir in international perceptions.
  • Shift in Global Perceptions: The short war is described as a game-changer and inflection point, reshaping American and international views of Pakistan’s resilience and India’s assertiveness, with India’s losses adding complexity to its image.
  • U.S. View on India-Pakistan Dynamics: The U.S. perceives India’s focus on Pakistan as a distraction from the larger strategic competition with China, urging India to prioritize maritime power projection over regional conflicts.
  • Decline of Counter-Terrorism Priority: The U.S. has deprioritized counter-terrorism, viewing it as a “dying industry” after spending two to three trillion dollars, and questions India’s justification of military actions as counter-terrorism measures.
  • U.S. Strategic Concerns with India: The U.S. sees India as a key partner to counter China but is skeptical of its maritime capabilities and independent foreign policy, fearing it could become an autonomous power center like China.
  • India’s Business Climate Challenges: India’s regulatory and infrastructure hurdles limit its ability to absorb manufacturing capacity from China, frustrating U.S. efforts to diversify supply chains (e.g., Foxconn’s planned iPhone component factory in Chennai).
  • U.S.-Pakistan Engagement: A Pakistani delegation is visiting Washington to discuss trade, indicating U.S. efforts to maintain balanced relations with Pakistan despite aligning with India against China.
  • U.S. Trade Negotiations with India: The U.S., under President Trump, is pursuing a trade deal with India (Phase One-A), with a potential conclusion by mid-June 2025, followed by Phases Two and Three, though past trade grievances (e.g., Harley-Davidson tariffs) persist.
  • Historical U.S. Strategy: The U.S. has a history of aligning with regional powers (e.g., Stalin against Hitler, Mao against the Soviet Union) and is now considering siding with India to counter China, though feasibility is questioned due to India’s limitations and losses.
  • Resource Misallocation by India: The U.S. believes India’s focus on regional disputes (e.g., Line of Control, Kashmir) misallocates resources that could be used for maritime power projection or economic competition with China.
  • Diverse Discussions in Washington: Conversations about the crisis occur across multiple U.S. departments, reflecting the complexity of American bureaucracy, with a net assessment expected to shape future policy.
  • India’s Rising Power Status: India is recognized as the fourth or fifth largest economy by GDP, but its independent foreign policy, regional entanglements, and recent military losses limit its alignment with U.S. strategic goals.
  • Risk of Over-Escalation: The U.S. has urged both India and Pakistan to de-escalate, expressing concern that India’s actions, coupled with its acknowledged losses, may not align with broader strategic priorities and could indicate unreadiness for a larger role.

View: https://youtu.be/PA7aCEjRw40
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I concur with this gentleman mostly but his obsession with the military loses is Pakistani Hallmark delusion.
 
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