Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Dhartiputra]

After Operation Sindoor and the prolongation of the Russia-Ukraine war, India's security situation has become increasingly worrisome. A weakened Russia is undoubtedly a huge advantage for China. In the future, China could expand its influence into Russia’s Far East—an area rich in minerals and oil. The Russians lack sufficient population to effectively defend this vast territory.Any population growth Russian having due to muslim population in Russia which also worrisome to India.

If the war continues, the supply of spare parts and weapons to India’s military could become scarce which already scarce like late delivary of t90s ,s400 etc . At the same time, Chinese penetration into Russian military technology and the poaching of Russian scientific and technical talent may accelerate.(After strategic bomber takeout by Ukrainian Russian could turn to chinese for supplies)The longer the war drags on, the more dependent Russia becomes on China.

India, since gaining independence, has perhaps never faced such a complex security environment—no longer backed by the USSR, and instead surrounded by strategic challenges: in neighborhood manipulative Satanic United States and the two-faced Chinese snake,who are likely to betray Russia in due time and I foreseeing some part of Russia far east capture by chinese or Russian handing over resources to chinese ccp companies...

Putin should have taken the idea of a ceasefire more seriously; it could have eased both his burden and ours. For now, we can only wait and see what the future holds.

 

[Azaad]

that 400m military aid can also be read as hafta by muricans to pakjabi army to keep US origin military equipment in running condition, so that pakis don't end up having 100% chini equipment from the current 80%. if muricans lose complete access to pakiland, they will lose their capability to keep an eye over iran.

Just to add to this , people have short memories. Barely a year ago Iran struck Paxtan deep within Balochistan to which Paxtan duly responded a few days later.

Eventually the leadership of both sides met up kissed cheeks & made up. Nobody asked the reason Iran went beserk .

Reason is as simple as when Iran was focused on pulling down Israel thru its proxies in Hamas & Hezbollah they didn't want any distractions from Paxtan as the latter has been known to needle Iran thru its proxies Jundallah aka Jaysh al Adl at the behest of either the Saudis or the US especially at crucial moments .

Iran becoming fiercely pro active threw Fauji Foundation off balance. The message went home though & Iran's eastern flank was peaceful though that didn't prevent their rout or that of their proxies by Israel .

Paxtan has its nuisance value for the US as of now & will continue to be so even if they lose their N weapons. Other than that it'd take something of a Black Swan event like the formation of a Cold War coalition to take on the USSR & their allies which is how this journey began in the first place or the invasion of Afghanistan or a 9/11 for them to rekindle that old relationship with the US .

China's a different matter altogether. They're supporting Paxtan in order to tie down India which most people here mistakenly attribute to the US . The US won't go down that path now as long as the Chinese threat is present. Our antagonism with the US will begin the day the Chinese threat ends which is the same as the end of the Chinese state for there can be no peace between the US & China only modus vivendi .


That's another reason the US is invested in Paxtan to maintain their influence & prevent Paxtan from becoming a satellite of China. Hence the US will keep Paxtan on drip feed . China will keep Paxtan on drip feed too for a completely different set of reasons beginning with the Chinese are by nature too stingy & look for one sided deals exclusively . Anyone who's dealt with the Chinese will recognise this truism.

As far as we're concerned , we're on the right track with Paxtan , more or less. Fauji Foundation is a gift which keeps on giving if not this year then the next . They're on the way down . I don't see any way they'd escape this fate. It's too late for corrective measures . Idiots like Field Marshal Munira are only there to accelerate this phenomenon.

 

[Azaad]

So it seems .. it was already attempted and it was thwarted before Good Job. We should be more alert and quickly deploy anti drone measures across vital installations across country quickly. More over Truck/vehicle Scanners should be employed on selected important highway, road choke points, Toll plazas..

Ukraine’s Spiderweb drone attack on Russia stunned the world. Months earlier, India uncovered a similar ISIS-linked drone plot near Mumbai

The drones flew just a few feet above the ground and provided crystal-clear visuals of Russian bombers and early warning aircraft, including Tu-95s and the A-50. Each drone, carrying precision munitions, struck the targets with remarkable accuracy. | OpIndia News

www.opindia.com

What happened in Russia couldn't be carried out without massively compromising the Russian system. How's it possible for an enemy country to smuggle in containers full of combat ready drones & then have highly trained operators execute those strikes with pin point accuracy ?!

As far as its implications on India goes we need a massive overhaul of perimeter security around all vital installations civilian & military & this doesn't merely include the obvious viz Air Force Army & Naval bases or Airports , Refineries , N installations etc but also defence mfg units , other mfg units of vital importance , etc

Drone licensing for the consumer must be mandatory . Laws tightened for repeat offenders or even for people caught before executing such acts like for instance Saquib Nachan is a repeat offender & should rightfully have been behind bars indefinitely. Judiciary has to sensitised to these facts.

Unfortunately as a country & people we're surrounded by apathy . It took a 26/11 for us to wake up to the threat of the seas being used to execute a terrorist strike although there were plenty of indications from intelligence agencies to this effect for years before the attack was executed.

Till date we've only undertaken half the measures recommended. Issues like the Maritime Police which is the state's remit have still not been set up . That's the first or last responder depending on how you see it . Beyond that the seas are patrolled by the ICG followed by the IN in deep waters.

I just hope when the attack comes which it will eventually leading to a lot of breast beating , post mortems rationalization etc before corrective measures are undertaken , it doesn't take a huge toll of our resources .

 

[ezsasa]

What happened in Russia couldn't be carried out without massively compromising the Russian system. How's it possible for an enemy country to smuggle in containers full of combat ready drones & then have highly trained operators execute those strikes with pin point accuracy ?!

As far as its implications on India goes we need a massive overhaul of perimeter security around all vital installations civilian & military & this doesn't merely include the obvious viz Air Force Army & Naval bases or Airports , Refineries , N installations etc but also defence mfg units , other mfg units of vital importance , etc

Drone licensing for the consumer must be mandatory . Laws tightened for repeat offenders or even for people caught before executing such acts like for instance Saquib Nachan is a repeat offender & should rightfully have been behind bars indefinitely. Judiciary has to sensitised to these facts.

Unfortunately as a country & people we're surrounded by apathy . It took a 26/11 for us to wake up to the threat of the seas being used to execute a terrorist strike although there were plenty of indications from intelligence agencies to this effect for years before the attack was executed.

Till date we've only undertaken half the measures recommended. Issues like the Maritime Police which is the state's remit have still not been set up . That's the first or last responder depending on how you see it . Beyond that the seas are patrolled by the ICG followed by the IN in deep waters.

I just hope when the attack comes which it will eventually leading to a lot of breast beating , post mortems rationalization etc before corrective measures are undertaken , it doesn't take a huge toll of our resources .

on Coastal police

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2085166

 

[Azaad]

on Coastal police

https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2085166

Indeed. These measures don't seem older than a few years to an incident which shook us to our very foundations 17 years ago which is to say this should have been implemented at least 10-12 years ago . Better late than never I guess.

 

[redpanda]

I advise everyone to give this article a read. While IAF assessment was that it was C2 center, Colonel Bhat & his colleagues at capsindia think it was more likely C4I center.

Precision, Perfection and Accuracy have been Hallmarks of IAF Golden Strikes in Pakistan: Targets Obliterated from the Face of Earth

Pakistan's efforts at safeguarding their assets by hiding them in HDBTs have failed miserably, and the ingenuity of IAF in striking these

capsindia.org

View: https://youtu.be/NvmxAB47T34

 

[Waanar]

What happened in Russia couldn't be carried out without massively compromising the Russian system. How's it possible for an enemy country to smuggle in containers full of combat ready drones & then have highly trained operators execute those strikes with pin point accuracy ?!

As far as its implications on India goes we need a massive overhaul of perimeter security around all vital installations civilian & military & this doesn't merely include the obvious viz Air Force Army & Naval bases or Airports , Refineries , N installations etc but also defence mfg units , other mfg units of vital importance , etc

Drone licensing for the consumer must be mandatory . Laws tightened for repeat offenders or even for people caught before executing such acts like for instance Saquib Nachan is a repeat offender & should rightfully have been behind bars indefinitely. Judiciary has to sensitised to these facts.

Unfortunately as a country & people we're surrounded by apathy . It took a 26/11 for us to wake up to the threat of the seas being used to execute a terrorist strike although there were plenty of indications from intelligence agencies to this effect for years before the attack was executed.

Till date we've only undertaken half the measures recommended. Issues like the Maritime Police which is the state's remit have still not been set up . That's the first or last responder depending on how you see it . Beyond that the seas are patrolled by the ICG followed by the IN in deep waters.

I just hope when the attack comes which it will eventually leading to a lot of breast beating , post mortems rationalization etc before corrective measures are undertaken , it doesn't take a huge toll of our resources .

If Russians placed this many aircraft in Kursk, it was a mistake on their part. Since the start of the war, Russians have been keeping their aircraft in airbases in the distant rear according to intel on weapons and their range deployed by Ukrainians in the area. To place slow moving TU95s in Kursk was, in my civvies opinion, not a smart move because intel fails all the time.

OT but something really funny I found out today is one of the MLA of Kursk from Patna is a distant family member.

 

[ezsasa]

Indeed. These measures don't seem older than a few years to an incident which shook us to our very foundations 17 years ago which is to say this should have been implemented at least 10-12 years ago . Better late than never I guess.

usually in India what happens is that, even if policy direction is clear, it takes time to experiment and get the combination right.

more over there is no national level framework to do objective assessment on any topic, marxists have effed up the entire academic system. result is that, on every topic we often see that , even when things are happening we don't get to know about it easily, and often on any topic upside/reality is undermined and downside/gaps exaggerated.

 

[Azaad]

If Russians placed this many aircraft in Kursk, it was a mistake on their part. Since the start of the war, Russians have been keeping their aircraft in airbases in the distant rear according to intel on weapons and their range deployed by Ukrainians in the area. To place slow moving TU95s in Kursk was, in my civvies opinion, not a smart move because intel fails all the time.

Where else are they supposed to keep their air assets which won't find much use in these kind of wars ? In fact there were 5 bases targeted including a Naval base which means those assets were sufficiently dispersed.

What they neglected to do is create hardened shelters with bomb proof doors where all such FAs should've been locked up with C-UAS systems installed on priority.

OT but something really funny I found out today is one of the MLA of Kursk from Patna is a distant family member.

Who is Abhay Kumar Singh, the first Indian-origin lawmaker in Russia

Singh has brought in a desi touch to its politics

www.theweek.in

 

[Captscooby]

They do have the potential to change ground realities much more than you think.

“we won on ground, who cares about the narrative?”
To answer this everyone should care.

If you won on ground but lost narrative you risk erosion of public trust in the armed forces, misplaced anger, social instability, poticial loss for ruling party.

Basically bad narratives are a great seed for unrest and turmoil which the enemies would be even more happy to amplify.

Second, defeat is also psychological, Pakistani military's beleif that they lost militarly but won "narrative" will embolden them, pak military cares much more about showing itself as strong than it cares about damage sustained on ground.
If this ground win, could be supported by narrative win, it would weaken pak military from future aggression, as they wouldn't wanna be humiliated in front of their awam again and give more ammo to dissents within pakistan further weakning their rule over pakistan, but right now they can lie and show their awaam they won, this will further give them more confidence for future aggression as they will beleive they can still lie and show themselves as strong in future too.
Pakistan continues to be aggressive even after losing 4 wars, ground realities alone ain't gonna take that nature away.

Narrative is a very important tool, that's the reason pak and especially china is investing heavily in narrative war.

Ignoring narrative and it's influence, and focusing only on ground realities Is stupid.
Especially when we are a democracy.

People are not realising the power of a false narrative. Mudi ji lost absolute majority in 2024 elections all because someone convinced a section of Mudi ji voter base only ab ki baar 400 paar is to change the constitution and remove your benefits .. We all saw the power of that narrative setting and how by the time Mudi ji realised the game and try to counter it become too late and the damage was done ..

Narrative is very important why you wanted 400 seats was never communicated by ruling party and smart crook minds in oppositions turned it into their favor and gave a deadly blow and now forced to run a coalition govt where you can have to consult them before taking any big decisions ..

People don't understand a simple human psychology i would be more confident with the information told to me by someone i trust than someone i don't trust , But when i come to know that the truth was not told to me by someone i trust than the erosion of trust starts creating in corner of my mind ..

Loses what ever if was told by our own side people would have moved on after 2 days ..But instead we kept mum and kept countering porki narrative as false and then after 3 weeks you said there is truth in what the porki said . People are basically disappointed that what ever narrative they countered porkis for 3 weeks has now gone to nothing and they don't have the confidence to talk about it now .

A simple communication blunder from our side has now turned the entire episode into cluster fuck .

 

[Waanar]

Where else are they supposed to keep their air assets which won't find much use in these kind of wars ? In fact there were 5 bases targeted including a Naval base which means those assets were sufficiently dispersed.

What they neglected to do is create hardened shelters with bomb proof doors where all such FAs should've been locked up with C-UAS systems installed on priority.

Who is Abhay Kumar Singh, the first Indian-origin lawmaker in Russia

Singh has brought in a desi touch to its politics

www.theweek.in

TU95s are large af though. And they're pretty long range. It would be somewhat understandable if these were MIG 29s because they run through fuel so fast but to place your long range bombers so close to the AO...
I don't know.
Maybe they were planning to attack Lviv or something (which still doesn't make any sense whatsoever).

Still, Russians were, till now, very careful with their aircraft placement. It's surprising to me they amassed such a large number of planes so close to the border.

 

[fire starter]

He has been honey trapped.

View: https://x.com/TheSquind/status/1929451356454006930?t=c4HBOYGMl6xyShO7D09bxg&s=19

 

[dkkgp]

Correct
Narendra Modi is no less assertive than Indira Gandhi when it comes to responding militarily to Pakistan. He has shown strong resolve against terrorism and has effectively deterred Pakistan from carrying out attacks like the one in Pahalgam — at least for the next decade. I have no doubt that he will continue to take both overt and covert actions to ensure Pakistan thinks twice before planning any terrorist activity against India. As he himself said, ‘Operation Sindoor was just a trailer — when the time comes, I will show Pakistan the full picture. Eat your bread, or my bullet is always ready.

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Lol pakistan will carry out the next large terror attack in the next 5 yrs or less. Why do you think pakis were still infiltrating terrorists after ops sindoor. There is a difference between intl. Agencies preventing it and pak mending it's ways. A military defeat is not a defeat for pak army. A reputations defeat is the actual defeat. If anything there reputation has only gone higher domestically. Rest you can take modiji,'s copium

 

[Suryavanshi]

He has been honey trapped.

View: https://x.com/TheSquind/status/1929451356454006930?t=c4HBOYGMl6xyShO7D09bxg&s=19

People asking grok about the images. Absolute state of low IQ dehatis, in case of dehatis on the paki side it's blatant ignorance and a pursuit of propaganda but in our case it's pure ignorance.

 

[Brood Father]

He has been honey trapped.

View: https://x.com/TheSquind/status/1929451356454006930?t=c4HBOYGMl6xyShO7D09bxg&s=19

I called this asshole VSJ a long time back when he was sharing some stupidshit which was absolutely false
This guy is a joke and should be made example of . Only trying to get money by selling his nation..pathetic ..

 

[officewarrior]

Chandigarh air base has given orders for demolition of 100 m parameter surrounding air base its been close to 10 yrs since orders are passesld still colony housed outside lal dora has its wall attached to airbase and even after repeated orders no demolition drive has taken place because of continous stay orders from higher courts.
Indian inside security is a joke i have seen it first hand.

 

[Brood Father]

This is for our foreign maal enthusiasts Generols and dFeNcE sMExperts

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929486636032618828

Add to that how we fucked the superior pattan tanks by flooding the fields in 1965..

 

[Captscooby]

Muslims will also lose thier religion like Turks and central asians.

Turks lost their religion they just went ape shit and turned a catholic church into a mosque in 2022 .. Turks have only one thing to support porki pigs which is religion other wise they don't have any long lasting love for this sub continent piece of shit country called porkistan ..

I feel sad that i engaged with you think you might be interested in dealing with facts but looks like you were more keen on jet losses to peddle your pappu or commie sickulaar snake oil ..

Sorry mate i am not travelling in the same bus like you ..

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929484162202833232

 

[Suryavanshi]

Chandigarh air base has given orders for demolition of 100 m parameter surrounding air base its been close to 10 yrs since orders are passesld still colony housed outside lal dora has its wall attached to airbase and even after repeated orders no demolition drive has taken place because of continous stay orders from higher courts.
Indian inside security is a joke i have seen it first hand.

Well I guess gormint needs to do something about it?

Dosen't it?