Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Azaad]

Moron watch the whole video first. It will give you more education than you have acquired your whole life.

As I said chauthi meim char baar fail lalu that video was made for audiences like you . Glad to see the algorithm finally get its target audience right for once.

 

[craigs]

As I said chauthi meim char baar fail lalu that video was made for audiences like you . Glad to see the algorithm finally get its target audience right for once.

Sure it was. But people like you who prefer to wallow in the filth of ignorance will avoid it like the plague.

 

[redpanda]

Already did so . Murid in Chakwal is 125 kms from the IB . However Nur Khan in Pindi is < 75 kms from the IB. For that kind of pin point accuracy you need FAs flying at < 50 kms distance.

In this case as I pointed out before we don't know the armaments used or the vectors carrying such armaments ( if the armament is known the platform doesn't matter . We can figure it out ) .

IAF's stated position is they didn't cross the IB. Put all these together & draw your own conclusions.

For perspective consider the assassination of Al Zawahiri . It was carried out using a relatively slow moving Hellfire missile minus the warhead which was suitably modified to carry sword like weapons fired by a drone at distances of probably around 30-40 kms .

Both the nature of the missile especially it's speed & the up close distance between the vector & target makes such accuracy possible.


View: https://youtu.be/OZKDSQxXjVY?si=F9yW-CukBKvQW4KC

I think colonel bhat and his colleagues at capsindia probably think IAF crossed the IB and made their assessments. Otherwise I agree it's very difficult to pull off without a specialised armament + proper planning & visual guidance.

 

[Azaad]

Sure it was. But people like you who prefer to wallow in the filth of ignorance will avoid it like the plague.

Of course people like me read people with a reasonable degree of academic qualifications will avoid it . That's reflected in the choice of YT content one peruses , the reason algorithms never suggest such videos.

If you were dying wondering earlier why's it you're attracting such algorithms now you know.

No need to thank me. Always ready to help the underprivileged in life be it in monetary sense or intellectual abilities or both like in your case.

 

[Azaad]

I think colonel bhat and his colleagues at capsindia probably think IAF crossed the IB and made their assessments. Otherwise I agree it's very difficult to pull off without a specialised armament + proper planning & visual guidance.

In that case he should have mentioned the platforms used and / or the armaments. Reasonable speculations about it within the bounds of the credible is also permissible.

See , lay people will read his article & accept his findings unquestioningly . People with better knowledge of the subject at hand like on fora such as ours will obviously raise questions or should raise questions instead of blindly accepting his word.

Otherwise what's the difference between inbreds to our west & us ?

 

[craigs]

Of course people like me read people with a reasonable degree of academic qualifications will avoid it . That's reflected in the choice of YT content one peruses , the reason algorithms never suggest such videos.

If you were dying wondering earlier why's it you're attracting such algorithms now you know.

No need to thank me. Always ready to help the underprivileged in life be it in monetary sense or intellectual abilities or both like in your case.

Hehehegehe. Even YouTube knows you wont be able to digest the information in that video. That is why it's algorithm never bothered to recommend it to you. Jo ghar aye Saraswati ko laath maare usko Kya hi bolein?

 

[Gyyaan]

View: https://x.com/detresfa_/status/1929559190286082123?s=46

Can anybody tell me why do we testfire so many brahmos?
The missile costs 4-5 million dollars ffs
What's the need to test fire brahmos when we have already test fired a lot of them.

 

[Dharmocrat]

Can anybody tell me why do we testfire so many brahmos?
The missile costs 4-5 million dollars ffs
What's the need to test fire brahmos when we have already test fired a lot of them.

Because the effectiveness of a weapon system is 90 % dependent upon having well trained crews.

100 simulations can't be the equivalent of one training launch of actual missile.

 

[Gyyaan]

Ya'll Pakis A** on fire.

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Bechare har jagah hath pair maar rhe hai
Sat images ki bheek maang rhe hai

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Already did so . Murid in Chakwal is 125 kms from the IB . However Nur Khan in Pindi is < 75 kms from the IB. For that kind of pin point accuracy you need FAs flying at < 50 kms distance.

In this case as I pointed out before we don't know the armaments used or the vectors carrying such armaments ( if the armament is known the platform doesn't matter . We can figure it out ) .

IAF's stated position is they didn't cross the IB. Put all these together & draw your own conclusions.

For perspective consider the assassination of Al Zawahiri . It was carried out using a relatively slow moving Hellfire missile minus the warhead which was suitably modified to carry sword like weapons fired by a drone at distances of probably around 30-40 kms .

Both the nature of the missile especially it's speed & the up close distance between the vector & target makes such accuracy possible.


View: https://youtu.be/OZKDSQxXjVY?si=F9yW-CukBKvQW4KC

I dont have the full context, but I cant be bothered to read through all the back and forth (sorry membraan), so heres my two cents on accuracy et cetera.

Only one ways to get "pinpoint" accuracy (i.e. difference between impact point and intended impact point <<<<<< blast radius) - Have some sort of localisation method (meaning, providde a reference that can continuously help correct projectile guidance)

This can be laser illuminator on target for LGBs and Hellfires, can be a seeker on bomb itself that can identify the target, can be strong, jam resistant GNSS, can be loitering munitions using AI for target ID and then homing onto it, etc etc.

But plain INS guidance, even with best of ring laser gyros, will lead to a decent amount of drift that makes any "pinpoint" strikes unlikely.

(PS: Minor point, but hellfire has a range of 8 km, so that launch was likely much closer than 40km even if the non explosive warhead sheds some weight off the missile.)

Also note, jam resistant GPS modules exist, which will ignore ground based jammers/spoofers... Could just be that Pakistan failed to jam GPS guidance on our missiles?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

I dont have the full context, but I cant be bothered to read through all the back and forth (sorry membraan), so heres my two cents on accuracy et cetera.

Only one ways to get "pinpoint" accuracy (i.e. difference between impact point and intended impact point <<<<<< blast radius) - Have some sort of localisation method (meaning, providde a reference that can continuously help correct projectile guidance)

This can be laser illuminator on target for LGBs and Hellfires, can be a seeker on bomb itself that can identify the target, can be strong, jam resistant GNSS, can be loitering munitions using AI for target ID and then homing onto it, etc etc.

But plain INS guidance, even with best of ring laser gyros, will lead to a decent amount of drift that makes any "pinpoint" strikes unlikely.

(PS: Minor point, but hellfire has a range of 8 km, so that launch was likely much closer than 40km even if the non explosive warhead sheds some weight off the missile.)

Also note, jam resistant GPS modules exist, which will ignore ground based jammers/spoofers... Could just be that Pakistan failed to jam GPS guidance on our missiles?

See this for explainer on last line, context is irrelevant but he explains the basics of CRPA -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB2nGjULHso

 

[Azaad]

I dont have the full context, but I cant be bothered to read through all the back and forth (sorry membraan), so heres my two cents on accuracy et cetera.

Only one ways to get "pinpoint" accuracy (i.e. difference between impact point and intended impact point <<<<<< blast radius) - Have some sort of localisation method (meaning, providde a reference that can continuously help correct projectile guidance)

This can be laser illuminator on target for LGBs and Hellfires, can be a seeker on bomb itself that can identify the target, can be strong, jam resistant GNSS, can be loitering munitions using AI for target ID and then homing onto it, etc etc.

But plain INS guidance, even with best of ring laser gyros, will lead to a decent amount of drift that makes any "pinpoint" strikes unlikely.

(PS: Minor point, but hellfire has a range of 8 km, so that launch was likely much closer than 40km even if the non explosive warhead sheds some weight off the missile.)

Also note, jam resistant GPS modules exist, which will ignore ground based jammers/spoofers... Could just be that Pakistan failed to jam GPS guidance on our missiles?

See this for explainer on last line, context is irrelevant but he explains the basics of CRPA -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB2nGjULHso

What you're suggesting are guidance modules which in the case of LGBs would probably require man in the loop to continuously illuminate the target.

What about the physical limitations of the projectile itself ( fins ,other guiding vanes etc) leaving aside the propulsion part of it given the kind of accuracy claimed & the distances involved ?

Just for perspective, we're talking a missile or at any rate a projectile with a diameter of at least 12" fitting into an 18" opening . That's barely 3" clearance either side for a projectile assuming it's dead centre.

 

[asl001]

View: https://youtu.be/e7NkGf4Hnbo?si=hmVh-vKR3UtYsu7o

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/cookiec75190643/status/1929400902617645267?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/cookiec75190643/status/1929404730402554174?s=19

More penny wise & pound foolish moves by our security establishment.

Someone should confront the ACM with this news. Normally he has a lot to say about everyone else's shortcomings . As it is we're short of squadrons. What happens if we lose a couple or more to such an attack across air bases?

 

[Azaad]

In that case he should have mentioned the platforms used and / or the armaments. Reasonable speculations about it within the bounds of the credible is also permissible.

See , lay people will read his article & accept his findings unquestioningly . People with better knowledge of the subject at hand like on fora such as ours will obviously raise questions or should raise questions instead of blindly accepting his word.

Otherwise what's the difference between inbreds to our west & us ?

View: https://twitter.com/DfIlite/status/1927649439549727049?s=19

Seems like a much more plausible explanation.



Check out the animation for the bunker buster on X as it has been disabled from viewing on external fora.

 

[craigs]

I dont have the full context, but I cant be bothered to read through all the back and forth (sorry membraan), so heres my two cents on accuracy et cetera.

Only one ways to get "pinpoint" accuracy (i.e. difference between impact point and intended impact point <<<<<< blast radius) - Have some sort of localisation method (meaning, providde a reference that can continuously help correct projectile guidance)

This can be laser illuminator on target for LGBs and Hellfires, can be a seeker on bomb itself that can identify the target, can be strong, jam resistant GNSS, can be loitering munitions using AI for target ID and then homing onto it, etc etc.

But plain INS guidance, even with best of ring laser gyros, will lead to a decent amount of drift that makes any "pinpoint" strikes unlikely.

(PS: Minor point, but hellfire has a range of 8 km, so that launch was likely much closer than 40km even if the non explosive warhead sheds some weight off the missile.)

Also note, jam resistant GPS modules exist, which will ignore ground based jammers/spoofers... Could just be that Pakistan failed to jam GPS guidance on our missiles?

Most of our missiles use a combination of GPS, Glonass and Navic. It is impossible for something like Pakistan to jam all three especially Navic's military frequencies.

GPS/Glonass/Navis is only used to correct the INS drift.

Also, reg: "But plain INS guidance, even with best of ring laser gyros, will lead to a decent amount of drift that makes any "pinpoint" strikes unlikely." what is the factor that drift depends on?

 

[Physx32]

View: https://twitter.com/cookiec75190643/status/1929400902617645267?s=19


View: https://twitter.com/cookiec75190643/status/1929404730402554174?s=19

More penny wise & pound foolish moves by our security establishment.

Someone should confront the ACM with this news. Normally he has a lot to say about everyone else's shortcomings . As it is we're short of squadrons. What happens if we lose a couple or more to such an attack across air bases?

Do we have any indigenous 20mm CIWS in development? If not, the project must be immediately started. These will the last layer of defence against these low flying, fast quad-copters.

All our air and naval bases need to have such CIWS. I'm sure Faujeets will be working 24/7 to do a stunt like ukraine did.

 

[Guynxdor]

Shiv Aroor stated that he was personally briefed by the IAF, confirming that India had taken out 9 Pakistani aircraft, both in the air and on the ground.


View: https://x.com/shirobarks/status/1929568339526812143?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/Akash10j/status/1929350021557936502?s=19

 

[Waanar]

View: https://twitter.com/Akash10j/status/1929350021557936502?s=19

I'm not an optimistic person. You guys know it. I'll just put it forth before people start labeling this as cope.
I have a feeling he's saying this to make Pakistan a little more comfortable with the idea of attacking India.
Military personnel usually don't make such comments randomly. Coming from a CDS, it will definitely embolden Pakistan, at least on a moral level.
I would honestly love if we keep making comments which emboldens Pakistan further.

Takes the culpability of starting the war off of us and puts it on them.

Not at all convinced of this as of yet but I would suggest we run his comments through the rumination machine. I don't believe he is stupid but we'll have to wait and watch.