ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[BHARAT KA BETA]

Na, mostly rwr or communication node.

But it seems like there are optical/visual units in these sensors... As far as my knowledge RWR doesn't have optical unit in it.... One of these two is definitely MAWS and the other one is unknown, It will be interesting to know details about this.

 

[randombully]

But it seems like there are optical/visual units in these sensors... As far as my knowledge RWR doesn't have optical unit in it.... One of these two is definitely MAWS and the other one is unknown, It will be interesting to know details about this.

Checked again.
The ones below the nose is maws/Das sensor.
The one on side is rwr/communication node.

Tejas mk2 will have 4 maws/Das sensor(IR cameras), two( one forward, one backward looking) below the chin, and two on its spine( forward backward), they won't cover 360° Like f35's Das(6 ir cameras), but the blindspots will only be in extreme right angles of the jet, now it's a long explanation but practically those blindspots are not a problem, and given more sensors=more energy used.

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

Checked again.
The ones below the nose is maws/Das sensor.
The one on side is rwr/communication node.

Tejas mk2 will have 4 maws/Das sensor(IR cameras), two( one forward, one backward looking) below the chin, and two on its spine( forward backward), they won't cover 360° Like f35's Das(6 ir cameras), but the blindspots will only be in extreme right angles of the jet, now it's a long explanation but practically those blindspots are not a problem, and given more sensors=more energy used.

Maybe you're right.. but let's see.

 

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View: https://youtu.be/UWs1tAdufPc?si=R_a6_JEEuEEReZtz
What do you think about this ? Replacing f414 with a safran engine

 

[randombully]

View: https://youtu.be/UWs1tAdufPc?si=R_a6_JEEuEEReZtz
What do you think about this ? Replacing f414 with a safran engine

Actually a welcome move if it happens, both for mk2 and amca mk1.
More money and time, but still would prefer French over burgerland

 

[liberalredditor]

View: https://youtu.be/UWs1tAdufPc?si=R_a6_JEEuEEReZtz
What do you think about this ? Replacing f414 with a safran engine

extremely difficult or extremely timetaking process
centre of gravity change, power generation change, gearbox location change, fadec dfcc interface change, claws change, etc etc etc
better to appease orangegutan for f414 even if we need to pay 1.5-2 billion usd

tejas mk2 is our rafale competitor, cannot wait even a month for the prototype rollout

 

[Spitfire IX]

Besides if we're really pursuing SAFRAN for a JV TF to power the Mk-2 , why are we wasting our time with GE ?

Makes no sense to me.

Designing and building an alternative to GE F414 makes sense to me, since it could be sold against the US engine but too late for Tejas Mk2 for India, isn't it? Without substantial sales to India for use in Tejas Mk2 and AMCA its attraction as an investment goes down a lot.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Now that GOI (majority shareholder in HAL) has decided to end HAL's monopoly on fighter construction, I wonder why they did not start with Tejas Mk2. There is far less risk in ordering Mk2 than AMCA from the builder's point of view.

If GOI ordered 150 Mk2 now, a delay in assembly because this or that part of the avionics, for example, had not held to schedule would be less likely than with AMCA, wouldn't it? Whatever company got an order would be less likely to suffer expensive delays from late component delivery, interfering with smooth assembly progress.

In the worst case scenario a company could invest in building an FAL, kitting it out with assembly jigs and tools, training staff etc, commissioning the FAL then discovering that assembly could not start due critical components being missing. My guess is that would be far less likely with Tejas Mk2 than with AMCA.

 

[Doreamon]

Makes no sense to me.

Designing and building an alternative to GE F414 makes sense to me, since it could be sold against the US engine but too late for Tejas Mk2 for India, isn't it? Without substantial sales to India for use in Tejas Mk2 and AMCA its attraction as an investment goes down a lot.

They have a proposal for co development of a engine with higher thrust based on m88 . I think if we go for this proposal we might see similar arrangements like AMCA having two versions with different engines depending upon the time it ll take .

 

[Asmodeus]

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[BON PLAN]

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What do you think about this ? Replacing f414 with a safran engine

As a french I would be very pleased, but as said on another thread ( https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/indian-air-force-news-discussions.115/post-156792 )

M88 was studied as a familly :

M88-2 : serially produced for Rafale.
M88-3 9Tons variant. Built and tested as prototyps (for UAE in a time, 2011, were they wanted a kind of super Rafale.
M88-4 : 10.5 Tons. Only a paper project.... except if it is this engine that is expected to power the SCAF prototyp. But between 2 prototyps to manually built for SCAF proto and a production line, SAFRAN need time. Not sure it is possible to meet Tejas 2 agenda.

There is also T-Rex M88 for Rafale F5.... no news so far, except that it is more and more evident that F5 will keep the actual Rafale frame, ie the T-Rex will ave the same overall dimensions than M88-2. Sure that new technologies will make T-Rex more powerfull than Legacy M88-2, but at what extent ? Not in the 98 KN league for sure.

If India choose M88-4 I think you will have to wait, and pay.

 

[BON PLAN]

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What a mess.

 

[BON PLAN]

tejas mk2 is our rafale competitor

NO.
They are not in the same league (load, range).
It's a Gripen NG competitor, when fine tune, ie in some yearS.

 

[Asmodeus]

What a mess.

How is it a mess?? if Someone randomly spreads fake news, then it must be corrected.

 

[Spitfire IX]

View: https://x.com/HALHQBLR/status/1930228707710697920

At the start of 2024 GE's CEO stated that she expected the deal to make F414 in India should be concluded by the end of 2024.

PS One should bear in mind that IAF urgently needs fighters. It is arguably far more important for IAF to receive Mk2 quickly than for India to get the best deal possible for making F414 in India.

 

[liberalredditor]

NO.
They are not in the same league (load, range).
It's a Gripen NG competitor, when fine tune, ie in some yearS.

i am talking about the internal electronics and ew capability of mk2,
regarding load and range, obviously being a single engine it wouldnt be able to go far but it can be at the frontline and intercept pretty well

 

[Asmodeus]

At the start of 2024 GE's CEO stated that she expected the deal to make F414 in India should be concluded by the end of 2024.

PS One should bear in mind that IAF urgently needs fighters. It is arguably far more important for IAF to receive Mk2 quickly than for India to get the best deal possible for making F414 in India.

Negotiations are always dragged.. IAF needs jets thats no brainer. US probably dragging it into FTA conditions to get the sweet deal for F414. All part of the process, we know our weaknesses.