Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/Mrcool63040811/status/1931589099863126424

 

[MarDePopins]

At this rate are we sure they will get the J35s by next year?


View: https://x.com/thelegatein/status/1931587186740305944?s=46

There's a reason for the delay as paxtan originally wanted german engines in their hangoor class subs however germany later denied the engine (of course india had a role in it) nd now all it's subs will hv chinese engines instead nd thus delays.

Germany's engine block could hamper China-Pak Hangor submarine project - The Pakistan Military Monitor

Germany’s refusal to export the MTU 396 submarine engine to China and Pakistan could impede the development of Hangor submarines, potentially disrupting the timeline of the submarine deal. China has commenced the launch of the first of eight submarines for Pakistan, with the initial four to be...

thepakmilitarymonitor.com

Now for J35 paxtani rhetorics of getting J35 even before PLAAF nd PLAN is hilarious nd lacks any realism.. it's not arriving till 2028-29 as the mass production plant for J35 isn't even ready yet nd there are only few prototypes nd LCP models are flying nd currently Chinese themselves are into rapid force modernization for their objectives of invading taiwan by 2028..their requirements for J35 for their domestic carriers nd for PLAAF is for more urgent when compared to Paxtani requirements which obviously is going to be financed by chinese loans.

 

[Guynxdor]

HT reports that the defense ministry has authorized the three services to replenish their inventory, including beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that out-range the Chinese missiles used by Pakistan during the recent four-day high-intensity skirmish.

What options do we have? We have the Meteor A2A missile, which has a range of 200 kilometers, but this falls short compared to the Chinese-supplied P-15, which has a reportedly higher range.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/military-gets-governments-nod-to-top-up-arsenal-tri-services-101749340615417.html

 

[concard]

There's a reason for the delay as paxtan originally wanted german engines in their hangoor class subs however germany later denied the engine (of course india had a role in it) nd now all it's subs will hv chinese engines instead nd thus delays.

Germany's engine block could hamper China-Pak Hangor submarine project - The Pakistan Military Monitor

Germany’s refusal to export the MTU 396 submarine engine to China and Pakistan could impede the development of Hangor submarines, potentially disrupting the timeline of the submarine deal. China has commenced the launch of the first of eight submarines for Pakistan, with the initial four to be...

thepakmilitarymonitor.com

Now for J35 paxtani rhetorics of getting J35 even before PLAAF nd PLAN is hilarious nd lacks any realism.. it's not arriving till 2028-29 as the mass production plant for J35 isn't even ready yet nd there are only few prototypes nd LCP models are flying nd currently Chinese themselves are into rapid force modernization for their objectives of invading taiwan by 2028..their requirements for J35 for their domestic carriers nd for PLAAF is for more urgent when compared to Paxtani requirements which obviously is going to be financed by chinese loans.

I was thinking about the Engines the moment I read that post. Even Thailand rejected Chinese Engines citing poor performance and reliability.

No German engines for submarines

The Chinese-made submarines that Thailand ordered will not contain engines from Germany as the country is a member of the European Union and is so barred from exporting arms to China, says Germany's defence ministry.

www.bangkokpost.com

I don't know what role India played in all of this but Western countries have a arms embargo ever since Tiananmen square incident. Now if India chooses German subs for it's Project 75 it will effectively block German Engines forever to Pakistan.

I concur with you on J35. I am sick and fed up of people here writing umpteen times about impulsive purchase of F-35 and Su-57 as if they are going to arrive tomorrow without strings attached. We should first think about a counter which is within our reach that is through air defense systems.

 

[chnvipgz]

"Pakistani J-10C fighters launched PL-15 beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles using targeting data from ground-based radars. The missiles were guided mid-flight by a Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C platform, while the J-10C itself remained electronically silent, without activating its own radar. The third-party targeting denied Indian pilots radar warnings, leaving them without any advance cue to deploy countermeasures."

"In contrast, Indian aircraft suffered from poor network integration, with Rafale, Su-30, and Mirage-2000 unable to share data effectively."

"India’s formidable integrated, layered air defense system, including Russian-imported S-400 surface-to-air missiles, successfully withstood the intense attacks, effectively intercepting or diverting most of Pakistan’s munitions, including ballistic missiles aimed at New Delhi."


"The conflict highlighted the importance of information integration between different weapon systems. When procuring new armaments, Taiwan must ensure their effective integration with existing assets to achieve seamless information sharing and collaborative operations across platforms. This includes data links and command and control between fighter jets, UAV operators, missile batteries, and similar assets."

The Prospect Foundation－Prospects & Perspectives－Lessons from the Indo-Pakistani Air Battle

www.pf.org.tw

Soros media of taiwan mostly fake news about india.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

At this rate are we sure they will get the J35s by next year?


View: https://x.com/thelegatein/status/1931587186740305944?s=46

Infact they couldn't get those fast enough. With the current sad state of affairs in the paf, those J-31/J-35s are going to be a liability. With their tiny budget, they would have to bench 80% of their fighter assets to operate 30-40 of these jets and pay for the operating cost. Not a bad idea in hindsight since all of their old F-16s, Mirages and block 1-2 JF-17s are flying junk to begin with. But they lose multi-spectrum capability and even strike missions and CAP sorties get way more expensive needlessly. Since the effectiveness of the paki air defense network largely exists in mass hallucination, most of these new birds will be taken out on the ground. Aside from taking a few sneaky potshots from R-MAX, these jets won't change ground realities in their favor. They get a boost in BVRAAM slugfest for now, but there are other ways to intercept fighters.

On a footnote, since the J-20 wasn't enough to expedite the AMCA's development, this paki begging spree should help.​

 

[concard]

HT reports that the defense ministry has authorized the three services to replenish their inventory, including beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that out-range the Chinese missiles used by Pakistan during the recent four-day high-intensity skirmish.

What options do we have? We have the Meteor A2A missile, which has a range of 200 kilometers, but this falls short compared to the Chinese-supplied P-15, which has a reportedly higher range.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/military-gets-governments-nod-to-top-up-arsenal-tri-services-101749340615417.html

PL-15 having 400km is the biggest chooran Chinese have sold to their people. If you launch that missile at 50,000 feet altitude and if it travels in a straight line like a dummy then maybe it's range would be around 400km. But is that a realistic scenario? Won't the target manoeuvre making series of turns and gaining and losing altitude? Will it's range remains the same if it is launched at 10,000 feet altitude? Moreover none of the fighter aircrafts have the radar range of 400km to guide the missile until it's terminal stage. This means they will have to rely on AWACS to guide the missile. But this also brings AWACS within the striking range of target aircraft if it is carrying long range A2A missile or from the ground air defense systems.

 

[MarDePopins]

HT reports that the defense ministry has authorized the three services to replenish their inventory, including beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that out-range the Chinese missiles used by Pakistan during the recent four-day high-intensity skirmish.

What options do we have? We have the Meteor A2A missile, which has a range of 200 kilometers, but this falls short compared to the Chinese-supplied P-15, which has a reportedly higher range.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/military-gets-governments-nod-to-top-up-arsenal-tri-services-101749340615417.html

Maybe russian R37M to target their Awecs.. the more pressing need however is for DRDO to go into mission mode nd expedite the final developmental nd user trials of astra mk2 nd press it into mass Production by next year.

 

[chnvipgz]

Need death penalty for spying.


View: https://x.com/sathyashrii/status/1931425871501644067?t=HWHlfQBRjqQU9zLQ_Gm0XA&s=19

 

[Sanglamorre]

There's a reason for the delay as paxtan originally wanted german engines in their hangoor class subs however germany later denied the engine (of course india had a role in it) nd now all it's subs will hv chinese engines instead nd thus delays.

Germany's engine block could hamper China-Pak Hangor submarine project - The Pakistan Military Monitor

Germany’s refusal to export the MTU 396 submarine engine to China and Pakistan could impede the development of Hangor submarines, potentially disrupting the timeline of the submarine deal. China has commenced the launch of the first of eight submarines for Pakistan, with the initial four to be...

thepakmilitarymonitor.com

Now for J35 paxtani rhetorics of getting J35 even before PLAAF nd PLAN is hilarious nd lacks any realism.. it's not arriving till 2028-29 as the mass production plant for J35 isn't even ready yet nd there are only few prototypes nd LCP models are flying nd currently Chinese themselves are into rapid force modernization for their objectives of invading taiwan by 2028..their requirements for J35 for their domestic carriers nd for PLAAF is for more urgent when compared to Paxtani requirements which obviously is going to be financed by chinese loans.

Tf why are Pakis naming their sub class in Bengali?

They have a real problem with trying to glorify themselves with stolen valor.

(The original Hangor was made when Pakistan was undivided so having a Bengali name makes some sense. That vessel sunk some Indian naval vessel iirc. So you know, Pakis are trying to steal that name for glory)

 

[snakeeyes07]

HT reports that the defense ministry has authorized the three services to replenish their inventory, including beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that out-range the Chinese missiles used by Pakistan during the recent four-day high-intensity skirmish.

What options do we have? We have the Meteor A2A missile, which has a range of 200 kilometers, but this falls short compared to the Chinese-supplied P-15, which has a reportedly higher range.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/military-gets-governments-nod-to-top-up-arsenal-tri-services-101749340615417.html

Just acquiring new longer range BVR is not enough, datalinks, and modifications to existing AEW&Cs & getting new ones is critical.

Another case in point, this happened in Ukraine yesterday:

 

[Cyclops]

"Pakistani J-10C fighters launched PL-15 beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles using targeting data from ground-based radars. The missiles were guided mid-flight by a Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C platform, while the J-10C itself remained electronically silent, without activating its own radar. The third-party targeting denied Indian pilots radar warnings, leaving them without any advance cue to deploy countermeasures."

Even if this is completely or partially true(there's a good chance IAF was aware of their CAPs but went ahead regardless), it goes to show why SEAD and DEAD is important on the 1st leg of these kinds of airstrikes and that the IAF succeeded in eviscerating the jihadi-employment-centres despite being handicapped by the babudom.

Ergo why we pwned the pakis in the 2nd round, when we did start off with SEAD missions.
All while the gAAND forces cowered in their airbases.

Israelis didn't have to handicap themselves during Operation Days of Repentance and we'll probably do something "similar" next time.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGlkJERPmwo

"In contrast, Indian aircraft suffered from poor network integration, with Rafale, Su-30, and Mirage-2000 unable to share data effectively."

Rubbish.

It only seems like so because on the 1st day, IAF was likely mostly if not all was armed with A2G munitions and had to deal with the limiting ROEs(we were told not to attack their fighters, while they were allowed to attack our fighters - something Modi forcefully rectified for the next round).

IAF didn't suffer nothing, they simply took great risks and succeeded in pwning the jihadi campuses.

Need death penalty for spying.


View: https://x.com/sathyashrii/status/1931425871501644067?t=HWHlfQBRjqQU9zLQ_Gm0XA&s=19

They do need the death penalty.

Desh mein jab tak dikhta nahin hai danda, tab tak koi sudharta nahi hai.

 

[Poseidon]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1931624519938003098?t=blx0hqpYIPyXJk9xF0eXww&s=19

 

[vampyrbladez]

2 (Jyoti Malhotra and Jasbir Singh) out of 3 people in this photo have been arrested on espionage charges.



Will Navankur Chaudhary/Yatri Doctor be arrested next? He is currently somewhere near Pitcairn Island, British Overseas Territories per his last video.

Is he planning to jump ship to save himself from arrest and head to UK to save himself from extradition as a 'political refugee' like Khalistanis.


View: https://youtu.be/f9qvGVhHIsU?si=iBpV1oWyO9gvJl9e

 

[Noob_Saibot]

I ask anyone replying to noob_saibot to click on his profile and see his posts

This is a chong or a paki.

This is the problem with the teenagers populating this place.

Anyone who doesn't toe the line that hurr durr all is well for the future is suddenly a chong or paki.

So suggesting we invest in foreign 5th gen aircraft to maintain parity, not give in to false self confidence against our enemies and have a vision is somehow a chong or a paki.

What are you, 12 or something?

There are some great posters, very learned ones here, and then there are these ones.

 

[Nibbler]

This is the problem with the teenagers populating this place.

Anyone who doesn't toe the line that hurr durr all is well for the future is suddenly a chong or paki.

So suggesting we invest in foreign 5th gen aircraft to maintain parity, not give in to false self confidence against our enemies and have a vision is somehow a chong or a paki.

What are you, 12 or something?

There are some great posters, very learned ones here, and then there are these ones.

You are a paki or chong. Im leaning toward the latter actually. Look at all this CoNCeRn posting kek.

I dont think the pakis are this convinced of Chinese tech anymore.

 

[RaptorKiller]

"Pakistani J-10C fighters launched PL-15 beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles using targeting data from ground-based radars. The missiles were guided mid-flight by a Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C platform, while the J-10C itself remained electronically silent, without activating its own radar. The third-party targeting denied Indian pilots radar warnings, leaving them without any advance cue to deploy countermeasures."

"In contrast, Indian aircraft suffered from poor network integration, with Rafale, Su-30, and Mirage-2000 unable to share data effectively."

"India’s formidable integrated, layered air defense system, including Russian-imported S-400 surface-to-air missiles, successfully withstood the intense attacks, effectively intercepting or diverting most of Pakistan’s munitions, including ballistic missiles aimed at New Delhi."


"The conflict highlighted the importance of information integration between different weapon systems. When procuring new armaments, Taiwan must ensure their effective integration with existing assets to achieve seamless information sharing and collaborative operations across platforms. This includes data links and command and control between fighter jets, UAV operators, missile batteries, and similar assets."

The Prospect Foundation－Prospects & Perspectives－Lessons from the Indo-Pakistani Air Battle

www.pf.org.tw

This is absolutely bullshit written over there, absolute nonsense fanatical pseudo science stuff. First of all, an active radar homing missile like PL15, Aim120 will always give warning in the RWR of the aircraft in the terminal phase regardless of who is firing and who is guiding it. If an AWACS is tracking a target, that target will also get RWR so it will get warned much beforehand. Fighters like Rafale are equiped with MAWS UV/IR that will detect missile launches at long ranges regarless if it is getting tracked by IR missile or Radar guided. Also, AWACS or third party platform cannot directly guide AAMs launched from distant fighters, it is always like Data is first transmitted to firing platform and that platform needs to provide that data to the missile, once the launch platform goes cold and no longer provided data link (whether its own radar data or AWACS datalink) the missile is on its own and have to rely on its own active seeker to find a target. AWACS cannot guide AAMs on their own (may be in future they would be able but not right now)

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

It is time for another press conference by the DGMOs so that a lot of speculations are cleared and more facts are established. Just when I thought that the Indian Gov and Indian military have taken info space and warfare seriously this time around, they just ceded the info space to the enemy to fill after the 11-May PC

 

[Noob_Saibot]

You are a paki or chong. Im leaning toward the latter actually. Look at all this CoNCeRn posting kek.

I dont think the pakis are this convinced of Chinese tech anymore.



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I could resort to insults and prove you wrong, but i am not a pimply teenager with issues, so i will refrain.

Not one of the posts you so kindly took the time out to dig proves anything .

Meanwhile, drill this into your head;

- As an Indian, expressing grave concerns about the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Asking questions about our political establishment's lack of vision and strategic outlook with regards to our national defence and offense capabilities doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Acknowledging a handful of aircraft might have been lost in the larger scheme of things doesn't make you a Paki/Chong. Our CDS said exactly the same, in different words.
- Expressing a desire to maintain our historical/legacy superiority over the Paki c***s through whatever means possible doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that our foreign allies have not backed us and our one sided tilt towards the west at the expense of our steadfast friends the Russians is a debatable foreign policy approach doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that we should have retaliated massively when the Pakis broke ceasefire doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- A desire to see our high levels of deterrence maintained in the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.

Lastly, these boards are for healthy debate and sharing of viewpoints from across the spectrum.

Bravado, aggrandisation ,demagoguery, sycophancy and a blind sense of confidence is how empires have fallen.

Never underestimate the enemy, look to the future and ensure we are always two steps ahead, by hook or by crook is my view on things.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and i am happy to debate teenagers in my spare time. But bring out a counter argument i stead of mudslinging.

 

[Nibbler]

I could resort to insults and prove you wrong, but i am not a pimply teenager with issues, so i will refrain.

Not one of the posts you so kindly took the time out to dig proves anything .

Meanwhile, drill this into your head;

- As an Indian, expressing grave concerns about the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Asking questions about our political establishment's lack of vision and strategic outlook with regards to our national defence and offense capabilities doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Acknowledging a handful of aircraft might have been lost in the larger scheme of things doesn't make you a Paki/Chong. Our CDS said exactly the same, in different words.
- Expressing a desire to maintain our historical/legacy superiority over the Paki c***s through whatever means possible doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that our foreign allies have not backed us and our one sided tilt towards the west at the expense of our steadfast friends the Russians is a debatable foreign policy approach doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that we should have retaliated massively when the Pakis broke ceasefire doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- A desire to see our high levels of deterrence maintained in the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.

Lastly, these boards are for healthy debate and sharing of viewpoints from across the spectrum.

Bravado, aggrandisation ,demagoguery, sycophancy and a blind sense of confidence is how empires have fallen.

Never underestimate the enemy, look to the future and ensure we are always two steps ahead, by hook or by crook is my view on things.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and i am happy to debate teenagers in my spare time. But bring out a counter argument i stead of mudslinging.

>5:56 You post your retarded crying in this thread
>6:31 dfb's resident wumao has screenshot of this post as proof of india's fears in another thread


Yea, not buying it.