Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (49 Viewers)

[Nibbler]

This is the problem with the teenagers populating this place.

Anyone who doesn't toe the line that hurr durr all is well for the future is suddenly a chong or paki.

So suggesting we invest in foreign 5th gen aircraft to maintain parity, not give in to false self confidence against our enemies and have a vision is somehow a chong or a paki.

What are you, 12 or something?

There are some great posters, very learned ones here, and then there are these ones.

You are a paki or chong. Im leaning toward the latter actually. Look at all this CoNCeRn posting kek.

I dont think the pakis are this convinced of Chinese tech anymore.

 

[RaptorKiller]

"Pakistani J-10C fighters launched PL-15 beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles using targeting data from ground-based radars. The missiles were guided mid-flight by a Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C platform, while the J-10C itself remained electronically silent, without activating its own radar. The third-party targeting denied Indian pilots radar warnings, leaving them without any advance cue to deploy countermeasures."

"In contrast, Indian aircraft suffered from poor network integration, with Rafale, Su-30, and Mirage-2000 unable to share data effectively."

"India’s formidable integrated, layered air defense system, including Russian-imported S-400 surface-to-air missiles, successfully withstood the intense attacks, effectively intercepting or diverting most of Pakistan’s munitions, including ballistic missiles aimed at New Delhi."


"The conflict highlighted the importance of information integration between different weapon systems. When procuring new armaments, Taiwan must ensure their effective integration with existing assets to achieve seamless information sharing and collaborative operations across platforms. This includes data links and command and control between fighter jets, UAV operators, missile batteries, and similar assets."

The Prospect Foundation－Prospects & Perspectives－Lessons from the Indo-Pakistani Air Battle

www.pf.org.tw

This is absolutely bullshit written over there, absolute nonsense fanatical pseudo science stuff. First of all, an active radar homing missile like PL15, Aim120 will always give warning in the RWR of the aircraft in the terminal phase regardless of who is firing and who is guiding it. If an AWACS is tracking a target, that target will also get RWR so it will get warned much beforehand. Fighters like Rafale are equiped with MAWS UV/IR that will detect missile launches at long ranges regarless if it is getting tracked by IR missile or Radar guided. Also, AWACS or third party platform cannot directly guide AAMs launched from distant fighters, it is always like Data is first transmitted to firing platform and that platform needs to provide that data to the missile, once the launch platform goes cold and no longer provided data link (whether its own radar data or AWACS datalink) the missile is on its own and have to rely on its own active seeker to find a target. AWACS cannot guide AAMs on their own (may be in future they would be able but not right now)

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

It is time for another press conference by the DGMOs so that a lot of speculations are cleared and more facts are established. Just when I thought that the Indian Gov and Indian military have taken info space and warfare seriously this time around, they just ceded the info space to the enemy to fill after the 11-May PC

 

[Noob_Saibot]

You are a paki or chong. Im leaning toward the latter actually. Look at all this CoNCeRn posting kek.

I dont think the pakis are this convinced of Chinese tech anymore.



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I could resort to insults and prove you wrong, but i am not a pimply teenager with issues, so i will refrain.

Not one of the posts you so kindly took the time out to dig proves anything .

Meanwhile, drill this into your head;

- As an Indian, expressing grave concerns about the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Asking questions about our political establishment's lack of vision and strategic outlook with regards to our national defence and offense capabilities doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Acknowledging a handful of aircraft might have been lost in the larger scheme of things doesn't make you a Paki/Chong. Our CDS said exactly the same, in different words.
- Expressing a desire to maintain our historical/legacy superiority over the Paki c***s through whatever means possible doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that our foreign allies have not backed us and our one sided tilt towards the west at the expense of our steadfast friends the Russians is a debatable foreign policy approach doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that we should have retaliated massively when the Pakis broke ceasefire doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- A desire to see our high levels of deterrence maintained in the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.

Lastly, these boards are for healthy debate and sharing of viewpoints from across the spectrum.

Bravado, aggrandisation ,demagoguery, sycophancy and a blind sense of confidence is how empires have fallen.

Never underestimate the enemy, look to the future and ensure we are always two steps ahead, by hook or by crook is my view on things.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and i am happy to debate teenagers in my spare time. But bring out a counter argument i stead of mudslinging.

 

[Nibbler]

I could resort to insults and prove you wrong, but i am not a pimply teenager with issues, so i will refrain.

Not one of the posts you so kindly took the time out to dig proves anything .

Meanwhile, drill this into your head;

- As an Indian, expressing grave concerns about the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Asking questions about our political establishment's lack of vision and strategic outlook with regards to our national defence and offense capabilities doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Acknowledging a handful of aircraft might have been lost in the larger scheme of things doesn't make you a Paki/Chong. Our CDS said exactly the same, in different words.
- Expressing a desire to maintain our historical/legacy superiority over the Paki c***s through whatever means possible doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that our foreign allies have not backed us and our one sided tilt towards the west at the expense of our steadfast friends the Russians is a debatable foreign policy approach doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- Stating that we should have retaliated massively when the Pakis broke ceasefire doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.
- A desire to see our high levels of deterrence maintained in the future doesn't make you a Paki/Chong.

Lastly, these boards are for healthy debate and sharing of viewpoints from across the spectrum.

Bravado, aggrandisation ,demagoguery, sycophancy and a blind sense of confidence is how empires have fallen.

Never underestimate the enemy, look to the future and ensure we are always two steps ahead, by hook or by crook is my view on things.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion and i am happy to debate teenagers in my spare time. But bring out a counter argument i stead of mudslinging.

>5:56 You post your retarded crying in this thread
>6:31 dfb's resident wumao has screenshot of this post as proof of india's fears in another thread


Yea, not buying it.

 

[Waanar]

Pak almost confirmed to get J35.

While we wait 15 years for our 5th gen, thanks to our politicians.

The decades long capability gap will be closed and turned around to favour them.

How did the absolute cretins ruling our country did not see this coming a decade ago, when qe could have done something about it?

Now what are our options? F-35 is not a possibility and even if it was, the long backlog means we are not getting hands on one till the early 2030s.

Even the Su 57 will take years to be delivered, while the c***s are getting theirs in 2 years given China's capabilities.

Paki scum will be emboldened to make forays near/ inside our air space and bomb key military and civilian infra without anything to deter them, after spamming our AD with drones for days to overwhelm them.

No More Sindoor type destruction will be possible as the Pakis will not restrict themselves to firing BVRAMs from max range.

The dirty c*** will go for it as they will see our fighters much before we see them and they already have a BVRAAM edge anyway.

This country needs to be under an authoritarian goverment unbound by political bs for a decade or two to come out of this rut.

Do what needs to be done on an EMERGENCY basis, even if it means using 10% or more of our GDP to close the gap.

If we cannot do 5th gen in 10 years, at least we need to overwhelm Paki scum in the numbers game. When you don't have the tech advantage, sheer numbers always help even if we take losses.

If nothing else works , we need to double or triple our nuke warheads and trash our no first use policy to create a new level of deterrence for both Paki and Chini scum.

2 years? China has 3 prototypes of J35 so far. Will they actually manufacture 40 of those in 2 years?

 

[Noob_Saibot]

>5:56 You post your retarded crying in this thread
>6:31 dfb's resident wumao has screenshot of this post as proof of india's fears in another thread


Yea, not buying it.

I am not selling it to you, so you can shove it.

It was for the benefit of other users, rational, mature ones.

And i don't have any frickin clue who wuyan is or the reasons why he quoted my post.

I am not accountable for random people quoting my posts for their own ulterior motives, lmao.

Jao video games khelo apne room main baith kar. Let adults have rational and mature exchanges.

 

[Asmodeus]

pretty based take from Pakistan! First time ever with level head... Must watch


View: https://youtu.be/TzrflQPLH_E?si=NhzYp8uDiM37Ux-X

 

[Noob_Saibot]

2 years? China has 3 prototypes of J35 so far. Will they actually manufacture 40 of those in 2 years?

It was in Janes, which is usually very reputable.

We cannot predict exact timelines, but it is a cerainty it's going to happen.

So we need to take strategic counter measures, either way. This could be our own 5th gen fighter or some other measures through radar tech or layered defenses or whatever. Point is we need to anticipate and take strong measures to nullify any advantage which could embolden our enemies in the future.

 

[pixxel]

pretty based take from Pakistan! First time ever with level head... Must watch


View: https://youtu.be/TzrflQPLH_E?si=NhzYp8uDiM37Ux-X

Can mods check the authentication of these accounts. I have seen multiple of these "MUST WATCH" porkistani posts for the last few days. I wouldn't leave a porki mulli's womb alive if a got a chance, why would i want to hear a mullah voice even if it is balanced (who cares for this goatshagging awam's perspective).

 

[hurrians]

"and beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that out-range the Chinese missiles used by Pakistan during the four day high intensity skirmish."

"The Pakistani military used the Chinese version of PL -15 air to air missile which has a range of 180 km.There are also inputs that the Pakistanis, by mixing two fire units of 250-km range HQ 9 air defence system with two other 150-km range systems at Chaklala and Malir cantonment near Karachi, respectively, may have tried to catch the Indian Air Force by surprise."

@Cyclops @RaptorKiller

if you see my previous posts, there was one regarding fa18 being lost onboard us naval ship while the us naval ship was conducting evasive maneuvers against houthi launched ballistic missile,

So coming back to the topic CDS has confirmed a change in tactics from may 7. Results are there to see in satellite pictures of Pakistan airbases, these assumptions maybe wrong but it is what so called "allegedly" soros media and what so called "typist" shishir is reporting so I will leave it at that.

And yes the houthis have declared a ceasefire with the usa.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/military-gets-governments-nod-to-top-up-arsenal-tri-services-101749340615417.html

 

[Asmodeus]

Can mods check the authentication of these accounts. I have seen multiple of these "MUST WATCH" porkistani posts for the last few days. I wouldn't leave a porki mulli's womb alive if a got a chance, why would i want to hear a mullah voice even if it is balanced (who cares for this goatshagging awam's perspective).

Actually, I was wondering about the statements of CDS about Porkies being rational and what the tactical mistake was?!! So far no Indian youtuber was able to provide good enough answer but this Porkie youtuber was able to provide me satisfactory answers!

If you don't want to watch don't watch man.. its not a big deal! Its just for those who are interested..

 

[Suryavanshi]

Could a overwhelming saturation strike on Paki airbase housing 5th Gen planes be a solution in the short term.
I guess our hypersonic strike capability couldn't come sooner, we need to overwhelm the pakis with sheer edge in speed and numbers of missile strikes on a airbase holding HVT.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Could a overwhelming saturation strike on Paki airbase housing 5th Gen planes be a solution in the short term.
I guess our hypersonic strike capability couldn't come sooner, we need to overwhelm the pakis with sheer edge in speed and numbers of missile strikes on a airbase holding HVT.

That would have to be a preemptive strike before the shit kicks off, which brings it's own risks.

We would be seen as an aggresor and potentially invite sanctions.

I guess timing would be the key and the justification for it.

 

[Muzh]

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Us defeating Chini equipment should be a matter of joy for the US. It means Chini might is just an illusion.

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I partially agree with you. It is true that India bitchslapping Chinese military equipments brought some relief to USA; and now, USA will be bolder in defending Taiwan if it came to that.

However, it is would be a colossal mistake to imagine that USA is happy about India bitchslapping Chinese military equipments. Why? As we saw during Operation Sindhoor, Pakistan's usefulness as a nuisance against India is rapidly diminishing. This means USA would need a new scarecrow against India. USA establishment was hoping, China could be that new scarecrow against India. If you examine Operation Shindhoor in this light, only then you would realize USA's predicament, or rather disappointment. The ease with which India brought Pakistan to her knees in mere two days of war, made many established power brokers including USA very uncomfortable. China's helplessness was particularly noteworthy. There were several reports that Chinese satellites provided guidance data to Pakistan but those reports are wrong; India successfully jammed communications between Chinese satellites and Pakistanese military equipments; this is another reason why China was so keen on stopping the war.

 

[Muzh]

Actually, I was wondering about the statements of CDS about Porkies being rational and what the tactical mistake was?!! So far no Indian youtuber was able to provide good enough answer but this Porkie youtuber was able to provide me satisfactory answers!

If you don't want to watch don't watch man.. its not a big deal! Its just for those who are interested..

I think CDS was simply referring to Pakistan's willingness to deescalate after India started hitting their nuclear facilities. If you look at it objectively, it is quite rational.

 

[concard]

Could a overwhelming saturation strike on Paki airbase housing 5th Gen planes be a solution in the short term.
I guess our hypersonic strike capability couldn't come sooner, we need to overwhelm the pakis with sheer edge in speed and numbers of missile strikes on a airbase holding HVT.

That is exactly what I am thinking we should do. We will have our spy satellites up soon which will provide 24/7 coverage of Porkistan. Once we have the capability to detect all their fighter aircrafts where they are based, when they are operated, their logistics like Jet fuel supplies, their locations of air defense systems, then we need to go for a preemptive strike and take out their assets with overwhelming force within 1-2 hours max before they can even react.

I have been advocating preemptive strikes on Porkistan. I wanted one this winter. But now I think we should hold on and focus on reconnaissance and with 100% certainty we should be able to tell where their assets are parked. Once they receive their priced gadgets, with all the data we have gathered through reconnaissance, we need to train for this mission and hit them with precision like we did in operation sindoor.

Well, I think we have an option, we can hit them this winter once we stock up supplies for a month. Take out all their airbases along with air defense systems and aircrafts. Or wait for their priced gadgets to arrive and then strike. The former option will weaken and their planned acquisitions of few 5th generation planes won't make a difference as they have to build up lost assets which will take lot of time given their economic situation. The later might also work although we will be up against more air defense systems and more aircrafts.

 

[Asmodeus]

I think CDS was simply referring to Pakistan's willingness to deescalate after India started hitting their nuclear facilities. If you look at it objectively, it is quite rational.

exactly, They also explained the op Chaddi Banyan was for internal consumption and showbaazi.. as they haad no other option available from a Porkie POV...

 

[hurrians]

.chinese arm pakis
.us armed pakis
. italian,french, german weapons are with pakis
. turkey armed pakis
.most of chini arms sale to paki is of Russian origin
.it was something that the pakis never expected that we will escalate the war for 4 days
.and that escalation was what got the pakis to de-escalate it seems
. So new ROEs are set it seems

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Su57 might be a subpar 5th gen, but so is J20. Stealth is not the beall

This sentence seems to be the fundamental problem with your description of the situation.....

Yes, stealth is such a ludicrous advantage that not having it is suicidal vs an opponent that does. It is the be all and end all in modern air combat.

Pakistan's problem, is that unlike china, it cannot have a fleet of 5th gen - Even their own analysis doesnt go beyond two squadrons, which would provide little to no resistance if Indian ground based missile systems are adequately developed to deny airfield operations.

Regarding the "parallel" drawn between J20 and Su57, it is completely wrong. Su57 stealth is just better than Rafale in clean configuration. OTOH, J20 is just slightly worse than F35. Is J-20 without issues? Not at all. But to pretend that it is not an issue for us is a Paki level delusion we should not fall to.

Like the ex ACM said, I think we should push for MUMT drones while expanding missile numbers, and wait till AMCA. For a while, the chinese will also not be able to wield all their 5th gen planes against us, they just dont have the numbers on their side for a realistic 24/7 CAP over sino Indian border. (shiv had a vid calculating this iirc). Till the time they develop that, we could sort out our stealth fighter.


But if you cant wait, or dont want risk, go for F35. IMO ideal scenario would be leasing 2-3 sqn F35s for 10-15 years, but IDTS thats an option, so buying is not irrational.