Operation Sindoor & Aftermath (58 Viewers)
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Govt,I mean any party u name it is stupid to the core.
They lack the basic intelligence to realise that they need to pay good salary to hire good people.That will never happen for psu's as salary is capped ( stupid decisions ) and will never change.
The private players atm are very small and lack any real manufacturing or r&d capacity especially in aircraft manufacturing ,engine related r&d etc.
Maybe we have made some good progress nearing integration in radars ( uttam ) .
We need special programs with no salary cap and good research facilities to attract the best.I am not saying psu don't have good people but what drive can u expect from an employee in that environment ?
Do we have it ?
No
Will anyone even bother ?
No.
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Lol People are crying over emergency purchases (~5 billions $) that was already known to all nd was inevitable after operation sindoor.
Peeps are almost forgetting that most of these EP (emergency purchases) will go to domestic pvt nd DPSUs cos (screwdrivergiri ofcourse for some capabilities).
Oki let's break it down to what are we actually buying in EP for 40000 crore (4.8 billion dollars) that is meant for all three armed forces (where army will get 9000 crores nd rest will go to IAF nd Navy).
We are buying long range loitering munitions (adani made Harop, Newspace sheshnaag?), kamikaze drones (various domestic options exist), anti done systems (various domestic exist), artillery shells (adani, aweil etc.), cruise missiles nd ALBMs.. now this will be meant specially for IAF.. as per several news reports IAF will certainly buy more rampage (direct import as no domestic options exist yet), Ice breaker CM (BDL has LM contract for it), Air lora (maybe? BEL has signed MOU with IAI to manufacture it domestically), Crystal Maze 2 (BEL has LM contact for it).
Now these are the only known weapons nd systems which are currently known there will be many more deals nd weapon purchases to augment the current capabilities in the wake of contingencies as operation sindoor is still in a pause.
Now coming to peeps getting emotional over imports in EP needs to realise that we are still not "YET" fully indipendent when it comes to low cost nd affordable cruise missiles nd ALBMs.. that's the reason we are seeing DPSUs gaints like BEL nd BDL who are literally signing license manufacturing contract for every possibly available low cost CM nd ALBM that isreal has eg. Air lora, Crystal maze 2, Ice breaker CM.
DRDO chief had claimed few year back that india will independent in missile technology by year 2024 but still we are not yet import free even in missile tech nd lack isreal level capabilities in terms of Low cost ALBMs nd CM. Currently all our domestic ALBMs variants like Rudram 2, 3, 4 are still in development stage (not even user trials hv yet begun) nd it will take atleast 3-4 years till the time it enters services in sufficient nos.
Also we currently lack any domestic alternative for SCALP missiles (Cats hunter is still in R&D phase) nd low cost 5th gen ICE BREAKER missiles which according to some sources cost even below 1 million dollars per unit nd one can can comprehend the importance of low cost ice breaker like CM where even General Atomics is producing it's own variant with name of Bullseye with Rafael advanced defense systems.
So coming to the moot point.. we are still 3-4 years away till our own desi ALBMs variants like Rudram 2, 3 nd 4 nd low cost alternative of SCALP nd ice breaker is available for us to induct in good nos. Till that time direct import or licence manufacturing (screwdrivergiri) is crucial for capability building also there is a pressing need for DRDO to pull up it's socks nd expedite the development cycle of it's various missiles nd deliver it to armed forces as quickly as possible.
Quite an ambitious plan post IWT. This will be Sindoor 2.0
This will bring more prosperity to the farmers than any MSP raise.
Sadly we will continue to have the never ending agrarian crisis thanks to activist farmers like Tikait and his cronies.
View: https://x.com/theemissaryco/status/1931281281632862367?s=46
This will bring more prosperity to the farmers than any MSP raise.
Sadly we will continue to have the never ending agrarian crisis thanks to activist farmers like Tikait and his cronies.
View: https://x.com/theemissaryco/status/1931281281632862367?s=46
At this rate are we sure they will get the J35s by next year?
View: https://x.com/thelegatein/status/1931587186740305944?s=46
View: https://x.com/thelegatein/status/1931587186740305944?s=46
"Pakistani J-10C fighters launched PL-15 beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles using targeting data from ground-based radars. The missiles were guided mid-flight by a Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C platform, while the J-10C itself remained electronically silent, without activating its own radar. The third-party targeting denied Indian pilots radar warnings, leaving them without any advance cue to deploy countermeasures."
"In contrast, Indian aircraft suffered from poor network integration, with Rafale, Su-30, and Mirage-2000 unable to share data effectively."
"India’s formidable integrated, layered air defense system, including Russian-imported S-400 surface-to-air missiles, successfully withstood the intense attacks, effectively intercepting or diverting most of Pakistan’s munitions, including ballistic missiles aimed at New Delhi."
"The conflict highlighted the importance of information integration between different weapon systems. When procuring new armaments, Taiwan must ensure their effective integration with existing assets to achieve seamless information sharing and collaborative operations across platforms. This includes data links and command and control between fighter jets, UAV operators, missile batteries, and similar assets."
"In contrast, Indian aircraft suffered from poor network integration, with Rafale, Su-30, and Mirage-2000 unable to share data effectively."
"India’s formidable integrated, layered air defense system, including Russian-imported S-400 surface-to-air missiles, successfully withstood the intense attacks, effectively intercepting or diverting most of Pakistan’s munitions, including ballistic missiles aimed at New Delhi."
"The conflict highlighted the importance of information integration between different weapon systems. When procuring new armaments, Taiwan must ensure their effective integration with existing assets to achieve seamless information sharing and collaborative operations across platforms. This includes data links and command and control between fighter jets, UAV operators, missile batteries, and similar assets."
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There's a reason for the delay as paxtan originally wanted german engines in their hangoor class subs however germany later denied the engine (of course india had a role in it) nd now all it's subs will hv chinese engines instead nd thus delays.
Germany's engine block could hamper China-Pak Hangor submarine project - The Pakistan Military Monitor
Germany’s refusal to export the MTU 396 submarine engine to China and Pakistan could impede the development of Hangor submarines, potentially disrupting the timeline of the submarine deal. China has commenced the launch of the first of eight submarines for Pakistan, with the initial four to be...
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Now for J35 paxtani rhetorics of getting J35 even before PLAAF nd PLAN is hilarious nd lacks any realism.. it's not arriving till 2028-29 as the mass production plant for J35 isn't even ready yet nd there are only few prototypes nd LCP models are flying nd currently Chinese themselves are into rapid force modernization for their objectives of invading taiwan by 2028..their requirements for J35 for their domestic carriers nd for PLAAF is for more urgent when compared to Paxtani requirements which obviously is going to be financed by chinese loans.
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HT reports that the defense ministry has authorized the three services to replenish their inventory, including beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles that out-range the Chinese missiles used by Pakistan during the recent four-day high-intensity skirmish.
What options do we have? We have the Meteor A2A missile, which has a range of 200 kilometers, but this falls short compared to the Chinese-supplied P-15, which has a reportedly higher range.
What options do we have? We have the Meteor A2A missile, which has a range of 200 kilometers, but this falls short compared to the Chinese-supplied P-15, which has a reportedly higher range.
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There's a reason for the delay as paxtan originally wanted german engines in their hangoor class subs however germany later denied the engine (of course india had a role in it) nd now all it's subs will hv chinese engines instead nd thus delays.
Germany's engine block could hamper China-Pak Hangor submarine project - The Pakistan Military Monitor
Germany’s refusal to export the MTU 396 submarine engine to China and Pakistan could impede the development of Hangor submarines, potentially disrupting the timeline of the submarine deal. China has commenced the launch of the first of eight submarines for Pakistan, with the initial four to be...
Now for J35 paxtani rhetorics of getting J35 even before PLAAF nd PLAN is hilarious nd lacks any realism.. it's not arriving till 2028-29 as the mass production plant for J35 isn't even ready yet nd there are only few prototypes nd LCP models are flying nd currently Chinese themselves are into rapid force modernization for their objectives of invading taiwan by 2028..their requirements for J35 for their domestic carriers nd for PLAAF is for more urgent when compared to Paxtani requirements which obviously is going to be financed by chinese loans.
I was thinking about the Engines the moment I read that post. Even Thailand rejected Chinese Engines citing poor performance and reliability.
No German engines for submarines
The Chinese-made submarines that Thailand ordered will not contain engines from Germany as the country is a member of the European Union and is so barred from exporting arms to China, says Germany's defence ministry.
I don't know what role India played in all of this but Western countries have a arms embargo ever since Tiananmen square incident. Now if India chooses German subs for it's Project 75 it will effectively block German Engines forever to Pakistan.
I concur with you on J35. I am sick and fed up of people here writing umpteen times about impulsive purchase of F-35 and Su-57 as if they are going to arrive tomorrow without strings attached. We should first think about a counter which is within our reach that is through air defense systems.
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Infact they couldn't get those fast enough. With the current sad state of affairs in the paf, those J-31/J-35s are going to be a liability. With their tiny budget, they would have to bench 80% of their fighter assets to operate 30-40 of these jets and pay for the operating cost. Not a bad idea in hindsight since all of their old F-16s, Mirages and block 1-2 JF-17s are flying junk to begin with. But they lose multi-spectrum capability and even strike missions and CAP sorties get way more expensive needlessly. Since the effectiveness of the paki air defense network largely exists in mass hallucination, most of these new birds will be taken out on the ground. Aside from taking a few sneaky potshots from R-MAX, these jets won't change ground realities in their favor. They get a boost in BVRAAM slugfest for now, but there are other ways to intercept fighters.
On a footnote, since the J-20 wasn't enough to expedite the AMCA's development, this paki begging spree should help.
On a footnote, since the J-20 wasn't enough to expedite the AMCA's development, this paki begging spree should help.
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PL-15 having 400km is the biggest chooran Chinese have sold to their people. If you launch that missile at 50,000 feet altitude and if it travels in a straight line like a dummy then maybe it's range would be around 400km. But is that a realistic scenario? Won't the target manoeuvre making series of turns and gaining and losing altitude? Will it's range remains the same if it is launched at 10,000 feet altitude? Moreover none of the fighter aircrafts have the radar range of 400km to guide the missile until it's terminal stage. This means they will have to rely on AWACS to guide the missile. But this also brings AWACS within the striking range of target aircraft if it is carrying long range A2A missile or from the ground air defense systems.
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Maybe russian R37M to target their Awecs.. the more pressing need however is for DRDO to go into mission mode nd expedite the final developmental nd user trials of astra mk2 nd press it into mass Production by next year.
Need death penalty for spying.
View: https://x.com/sathyashrii/status/1931425871501644067?t=HWHlfQBRjqQU9zLQ_Gm0XA&s=19
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Tf why are Pakis naming their sub class in Bengali?There's a reason for the delay as paxtan originally wanted german engines in their hangoor class subs however germany later denied the engine (of course india had a role in it) nd now all it's subs will hv chinese engines instead nd thus delays.
Germany's engine block could hamper China-Pak Hangor submarine project - The Pakistan Military Monitor
Germany’s refusal to export the MTU 396 submarine engine to China and Pakistan could impede the development of Hangor submarines, potentially disrupting the timeline of the submarine deal. China has commenced the launch of the first of eight submarines for Pakistan, with the initial four to be...
Now for J35 paxtani rhetorics of getting J35 even before PLAAF nd PLAN is hilarious nd lacks any realism.. it's not arriving till 2028-29 as the mass production plant for J35 isn't even ready yet nd there are only few prototypes nd LCP models are flying nd currently Chinese themselves are into rapid force modernization for their objectives of invading taiwan by 2028..their requirements for J35 for their domestic carriers nd for PLAAF is for more urgent when compared to Paxtani requirements which obviously is going to be financed by chinese loans.
They have a real problem with trying to glorify themselves with stolen valor.
(The original Hangor was made when Pakistan was undivided so having a Bengali name makes some sense. That vessel sunk some Indian naval vessel iirc. So you know, Pakis are trying to steal that name for glory
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Just acquiring new longer range BVR is not enough, datalinks, and modifications to existing AEW&Cs & getting new ones is critical.
Another case in point, this happened in Ukraine yesterday:
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Even if this is completely or partially true(there's a good chance IAF was aware of their CAPs but went ahead regardless), it goes to show why SEAD and DEAD is important on the 1st leg of these kinds of airstrikes and that the IAF succeeded in eviscerating the jihadi-employment-centres despite being handicapped by the babudom.
Ergo why we pwned the pakis in the 2nd round, when we did start off with SEAD missions.
All while the gAAND forces cowered in their airbases.
Israelis didn't have to handicap themselves during Operation Days of Repentance and we'll probably do something "similar"
next time.View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGlkJERPmwo
Rubbish.
It only seems like so because on the 1st day, IAF was likely mostly if not all was armed with A2G munitions and had to deal with the limiting ROEs(we were told not to attack their fighters, while they were allowed to attack our fighters - something Modi forcefully rectified for the next round
).IAF didn't suffer nothing, they simply took great risks and succeeded in pwning the jihadi campuses.
They do need the death penalty.
Desh mein jab tak dikhta nahin hai danda, tab tak koi sudharta nahi hai.
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2 (Jyoti Malhotra and Jasbir Singh) out of 3 people in this photo have been arrested on espionage charges.
Will Navankur Chaudhary/Yatri Doctor be arrested next? He is currently somewhere near Pitcairn Island, British Overseas Territories per his last video.
Is he planning to jump ship to save himself from arrest and head to UK to save himself from extradition as a 'political refugee' like Khalistanis.
View: https://youtu.be/f9qvGVhHIsU?si=iBpV1oWyO9gvJl9e
Will Navankur Chaudhary/Yatri Doctor be arrested next? He is currently somewhere near Pitcairn Island, British Overseas Territories per his last video.
Is he planning to jump ship to save himself from arrest and head to UK to save himself from extradition as a 'political refugee' like Khalistanis.
View: https://youtu.be/f9qvGVhHIsU?si=iBpV1oWyO9gvJl9e
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This is the problem with the teenagers populating this place.
Anyone who doesn't toe the line that hurr durr all is well for the future is suddenly a chong or paki.
So suggesting we invest in foreign 5th gen aircraft to maintain parity, not give in to false self confidence against our enemies and have a vision is somehow a chong or a paki.
What are you, 12 or something?
There are some great posters, very learned ones here, and then there are these ones.
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