Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (52 Viewers)

Something happened at LOC yestersay in Poonch sector. Was it ceasefire violation or BAT infiltration attempt not sure. Heron drone performing aerial surveillance throughout the day in the same region. pak handles reporting ceasefire violation. I believe a failed BAT or terrorists infiltration attempt
 
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Noob_Saibot said:
Why does India continue to do business with China, when they are so obviously an enemy nation?
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Why doesn't our great government take measures to disentangle our economy and supply chains from the Chinese scum?
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Why are there no repercussions for China for arming our biggest enemy to the teeth?
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What kind of foreign policy is this? We are still importing billions worth of goods from them, while they keep antagonising India in every way possible?
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Noob_Saibot said:
www.janes.com

Pakistan announces Chinese J-35 aircraft offer

China has offered to sell new military equipment to Pakistan, including 40 fifth-generation Shenyang J-35 stealth aircraft, the government of Pakistan has said.
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So this is pretty much confirmed. Only question is the timeline.

Why does India continue to do business with China, when they are so obviously an enemy nation?

Why doesn't our great government take measures to disentangle our economy and supply chains from the Chinese scum?

Why are there no repercussions for China for arming our biggest enemy to the teeth?

What kind of foreign policy is this? We are still importing billions worth of goods from them, while they keep antagonising India in every way possible?
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Calm down. First of all it has been only offered. The deal is not done and further nothing has been deployed. Second we don’t know what intelligence our government has related to the actual performance of J35 which is built from stolen F35 blueprints. Third, India and Japan collaborating on 6th Gen aircraft is a given. Mitsubishi is already looking at partnerships with Indian manufacturers. Fourth, if Porkis buy J35 they will see their poverty peak from 45% now to 90%. They have to divert moneys from all their development financing to be able to achieve this. Fifth, India is working on getting Porkis back in FATF. If that happens, porkis can kiss all defense deals goodbye.
 
Recent trade data of Porkistan for this financial year.

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This is for 10 month period from July of last year to April of this year. Their forex is misleading. They have only $9 billion but they count even the forex in commercial banks which does not belong to them. Having said that with recent FTAs we are having and with future FTAs we need to squeeze and knock them out when it comes to textile exports. Whatever they are exporting, we should optimize the supply chain, reduce costs, improve the quality of the products we are exporting, and knock them out of the market where their exports go to. The only thing they might end up exporting is agricultural products which anyway we don't have to worry too much about. We control the water tap, we can slowly knock them out too. This will make them to rely on whatever little exports they have and remittances which is bigger than exports itself.

Let's not forget about economic warfare. We are doing fine in squeezing them militarily. Their sugar daddies cannot bail them out for long. Any financial institution giving out loans can only leverage so much.
 
NerVik said:
Lmao you too fell for this new type of chooran porkies are selling. It's not a must watch for any sort of impartial or rational analysis. It's a must watch ONLY if you want to understand how the porkies think.

I listened to one of those two in its entirety. The only rational bit about their 1 hour episode was the brahmos bit that too ONLY because they need to somehow attribute the very public humiliation we dealt to them (the pictures and videos of all the damage we inflicted).

Heres a question, how can you downplay your opponents clear victory without appearing as downplaying? Here's one way: Attribute all their success to one wonder weapon, blame your leadership or spin it as restraint/rational thinking, be obtuse about the success of a couple of the enemies strategy and systems and ultimately just say we have everything the enemy has we just need to scale it up.

This is exactly what they are doing in the "rational" discussion. It's not "some part is dubious", most of it is dubious.
I will tell you what part is not dubious:
1. Effectiveness of brahmos (discussed for quiet a bit)
2. Effectiveness of our AD (discussed but not in detail, totally over looked Akash and DEW and other indian systems, attributing most of AD successes to foreign systems)

What is dubious in their discussion:
1. Their interception rate of drones and loitering munitions we fired (they mention it once something like we fired 24 drones but only 2 hit)
2. They hit a brahmos site and a s400 site
3. At no point they discuss the sheer volume of drones they fired on us
4. No mention of the HQ systems being hit
5. We used our equipment sooner because out plan a and plan b failed to do any significant damage but apparently their responses to our initial attack was enough in some ways.
6. They did not use their top tier equipment (in terms of missiles and drones and loitering munitions) unlike us.
7. No mention if their CM400 or some Chinese origin shit missile that we intercepted
8. Harping on about how they are a wonderful design heavy nation (da fuk they are) but not good into putting their amazing fantastic designs into production.
9. The usual, China saar, China this saar, China that saar.
10. The only two faults porkies did in this conflict is show too much restraint and not show enough evidence of their attack damage.

You fall for this then
1. You are porkie larping as indian or
2. You one of the hundreds of millions of Indians who fall for 2 sweet words but ignore the 1000 insults behind it.
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Yes thats the dubious part I wanted to highlight. I have not fallen for their information warfare. However for a Paki to even admit 2 good points as mentioned is miracle because all other analysts are just madrassa chap and don't even deserve attention.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
why didn't pakis used taimur Cruise missile during the operation, It was hyped up a lot by pigs to be used against indian HVTs.
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Because pakis know we have an overmatch advantage against them and also, they are cowards. They both feared the complete and utter failure of their large-scale strikes(Babur, Raads, etc being intercepted by our IADS); or worse, they get lucky and hit something in India, which would make it impossible for us to not escalate hard and ground them down like in 71.

PA was losing face in Porkistan even before the train hijack and they needed a release valve to curb their jihadi-elites and the inbred, low IQ mulq who were pining for Imran Khan. Attacking kafirs and provoking a response from them does just that.

Of course, we know this and we were happy to oblige but this time we would take our pound of flesh...and then some. :hehe:
Something they didn't expect us to do.

You know, things like, taking back Indus, do permanent damage to their air bases, air and ground assets, nukes/facilities, jihadi campuses, trained airmen and soldiers and maybe even Murican assets.
Hurt them hard enough to make them lose assets which would take a very long time to replenish.

tl;dr - Ever since Uri, our response has been more and more escalatory and pakis know this so they cucked out and didn't use Baburs.
 
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There are a lot of articles out now about possible acquisition of IRIS-T by Pakistan for specifically countering Brahmos. This was first mentioned and laid out in Quwa video (E2).

Pakistan still thinks that India will repeat it's playbook next time and only launch 3-4 missiles at each of the airbases. Those strikes were quite limited and meant for messaging (Conflict termination with escalation dominance). IRIS-T effectiveness can be limited by a sophisticated and extensive time on target attacks.

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Possible scenario, I am assuming a layered deployment of HQ9BE, HQ16FE, IRIS-T (leaving out Rudram 2 & 3 from this):
- Using both air & surface launched Brahmos. Firing older stocks (less advanced) in different flight profiles (high-low-low & high-high-low)
- At the same time on target and over SAM sites, long range loitering munitions are coming in (we should have indigenous options listed below)
- Finally, shortly behind comes the main punch, mix of Icebreaker and Brahmos (new versions) which will have very high changes of making through and striking their airfields.

In defending against such attacks, Pakistan will be using quite a bit of SAMs and depleting their stocks fast. Will take a economic hit.

Pakistan biggest problem which they cannot fix is their geography and lack of strategic depth.

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snakeeyes07 said:
There are a lot articles out now about possible acquisition of IRIS-T by Pakistan for specifically countering Brahmos. This was first mentioned and laid out in Quwa video (E2).

Pakistan still thinks that India will repeat it's playbook next time and only launch 3-4 missiles at each of the airbases. Those strikes were quite limited and meant for messaging (Conflict termination with escalation dominance). IRIS-T effectiveness can be limited by a sophisticated and extensive time on target attacks.

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Possible scenario, I am assuming a layered deployment of HQ9BE, HQ16FE, IRIS-T (leaving out Rudram 2 & 3 from this):
- Using both air & surface launched Brahmos. Firing older stocks (less advanced) in different flight profiles (high-low-low & high-high-low)
- At the same time on target and over SAM sites, long range loitering munitions are coming in (we should have indigenous options listed below)
- Finally, shortly behind comes the main punch, mix of Icebreaker and Brahmos (new versions) which will have very high changes of making through and striking their airfields.

In defending against such attacks, Pakistan will be using quite a bit of SAMs and depleting their stocks fast. Will take a economic hit.

Pakistan biggest problem which they cannot fix is their geography and lack of strategic depth.

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The worry lies in, how dense of an air defense network they are trying to make.
Getting "very good" short to medium range airdefense systems in small no. Ain't gonna help them much.
 
timesofindia.indiatimes.com

'We will go deep into Pakistan': Jaishankar’s stern message over terror; warns India won’t hold back | India News - Times of India

India News: External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar issued a strong warning to Pakistan, stating India's readiness to conduct strikes within Pakistani territory i
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Apologies if already posted.

It's clear that India has established a new 'normal', which is a military response to any terrorist attack on Indian soil.

The logical thing for Pakis to do would be to dial down the intensity of individual incidents and dial up the frequency of low level attacks, thereby playing with the 'response threshold'.

Till Pakistan remains a breeding ground for terrorists, this will never end. A 'permanent' solution is needed that would address the root cause of the 'bleeding by a thousand cuts' approach.
 
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