Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[vampyrbladez]

Spending 8-10% gdp on defence is how a country goes bankrupt. The pakis spend around that much on their defence. Look at their state now. Su-30 MKI fighter fleet should be maintained at its current numbers. While it is a supremely aerodynamic plane, it's massive RCS means that it will become outdated in the 2040s and hopefully we can replace them with our own stealth heavy fighters.

I believe that the best course of action is to keep defence spending at just over 2% of our gdp. It means that the spending with grow as our economy grows. So, if we have an economy of 5 trillion dollars in 2027, the budget will be 100+ billion dollars, if the economy is 10 trillion dollars in 2034, we'll have 200+ billion dollars, etc.I agree on everything else.

For that money to have any meaningful value addition, it has to go mostly into indigenous weapon production.

 

[Tumba]

idts that all the strike conducted were air launched variants, i am sure we would have spent our aging stockpile so that they dont go waste,

Neither Army not Navy utilised their versions only IAF used its stockpiles …

so if u can call 2018 production or later ones old thats different thing.

But it doesnt matter if next time we are using versions produced 15+ years ago …

If is used in low-low-low mode its almost impossible to counter that….

 

[Anantanaga]

Imagine Armchaired aircraft design exfarts talking about an aircraft that out maneuvers the F-22 on a bad day let alone a good one.

Maneuverability in close range is not all that important when it comes to 5th gen aircrafts. RCS reductions, other stealth measures, data linking, etc. are.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Neither Army not Navy utilised their versions only IAF used its stockpiles …

so if u can call 2018 production or later ones old thats different thing.

But it doesnt matter if next time we are using versions produced 15+ years ago …

If is used in low-low-low mode its almost impossible to counter that….

low-low-low range is limited, it used to be 120km for 290km ranged version.

It will become a viable option for 800 km ER version.

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1932313322285564303

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

At the end of the day, unsurpassable defense tech superiority and massive economic strength founded on innovation and prosperity for all citizens is what will assure 100% sovereignty for decades to come. We need to become the dominant player in 4-5 critical tech areas.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Is this our response to Pav pav ke bomb

View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1932138945338548318?t=x4BUoAX-y4FGwdxYmWgz4Q&s=19

 

[ezsasa]

'It's not India-Pakistan , its India-Terroristan issue', EAM Dr S Jaishankar's response to a question in Brussels presser along with EU's top Diplomat Kaja kallas


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1932436385656623455

 

[Simon Riley]

'It's not India-Pakistan , its India-Terroristan issue', EAM Dr S Jaishankar's response to a question in Brussels presser along with EU's top Diplomat Kaja kallas


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1932436385656623455

The diplomatic statements from our side are getting more aggressive. i think we are building up narratives and opinions to go a step further from retaliatory strikes to preemptive ones.

 

[randombully]

The diplomatic statements from our side are getting more aggressive. i think we are building up narratives and opinions to go a step further from retaliatory strikes to preemptive ones.

So if next time we "preemptively" strike pakistan, they can't cry to the world that India is "the aggressor and bringing instability to the region".

 

[Azaad]

View: https://x.com/iamthedrifter/status/1932059549068046396?t=q-zFKvh8hwSj3lkSS7taGg&s=19


View: https://x.com/clary_co/status/1932067039533043747?t=nS_clrBbPqOXODsDxvsI-w&s=19


View: https://x.com/iamthedrifter/status/1932095553523036541?t=inyRZGFnFQBGDP37K5l95Q&s=19

Pakistanis now whining that they were told by Rubio that India would agree to talks if they agree to a ceasefire.

Regardless I think tremendous pressure will be brought on by the west to negotiate with Paxtan & it need not necessarily be from the Trump administration but from the busybodies in the EU with these TTs buzzing around like flies.

 

[ezsasa]

The diplomatic statements from our side are getting more aggressive. i think we are building up narratives and opinions to go a step further from retaliatory strikes to preemptive ones.

i have been giving this a thought for a few years now, in our scenarios chances of major op sindoor 1st night scale preemptive strikes are less. paki plausible deniability has to be resolved first, and then there is the issue of nuclear overhang.

 

[Simon Riley]

So if next time we "preemptively" strike pakistan, they can't cry to the world that India is "the aggressor and bringing instability to the region".

exactly,
1) we killed members of masood azhars family, he must be baying for indian blood, some terror attack aimed at indian tier 1 cities seems very likely
2) we have stopped their water and are making active plans to divert its flow. since, 80% of the water that the pigs receive is from india it is an act of war for them

in both these cases we need strong narrative setting by diplomats so that we can strke preemptively. If we indeed take it up a notch from retaliatory strikes it will be the biggest change of policy in the history of independent India.

 

[randombully]

i have been giving this a thought for a few years now, in our scenarios chances of major op sindoor 1st night scale preemptive strikes are less. paki plausible deniability has to be resolved first, and then there is the issue of nuclear overhang.

Preemptive strikes don't need to be big,
For example destroying 1 terror launch pad inside Pakistan using few figher jets, if we get Intel.

In both op sindoor and 2019 clashes, we acted "after the attack" .

 

[ezsasa]

Preemptive strikes don't need to be big,
For example destroying 1 terror launch pad inside Pakistan using few figher jets, if we get Intel.

In both op sindoor and 2019 clashes, we acted "after the attack" .

sending fighter jets is a big deal, fighter jets come into picture only when preparations for full spectrum escalations are done.

 

[snakeeyes07]

sending fighter jets is a big deal, fighter jets come into picture only when preparations for full spectrum escalations are done.

I agree fighter jets and cruise missiles are escalatory especially in Pakistan mainland if it is preemptive but how does excalibur or guided Pinaka based surgical strikes in POJK, figure in the escalation matrix?

 

[vishmoon]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1932345365900267769

 

[Simon Riley]

i have been giving this a thought for a few years now, in our scenarios chances of major op sindoor 1st night scale preemptive strikes are less. paki plausible deniability has to be resolved first, and then there is the issue of nuclear overhang.

preemptive strikes will become necessary for our safety, LET and JEM along with isi are fully capable of doing something really really bad, if we stay in retaliatory mode it will mean that it will have to cost us lives in order to do something major against the adversary. if we see in the long run, this strategy only does harm to us, jihadis are expendable dogs, paki women are baby producing machines, jihadis will be replaced in no time, but on the indian side we loose vital contributors to the economy and the security of our nation. why i believe india will go preemptive- because of the political posturing this time, modi has openly said that nuclear blackmail wont work against india not once but multiple times, also the line between military and terror orgs has been erased both are OFFICIALY the same for us add to this the visit of indian delegation to various countries and also op shield IMO all this adds up to taking the notch up from this point onwards. the scale can be argued upon, it is not necessary that an overt strike like sindoor should happen there are covert and assymetrical ways to do the same too....

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Quick question for the experts. Is there any counter for ?

So basically Pak is screwed if we use ?

Spending 8-10% gdp on defence is how a country goes bankrupt. The pakis spend around that much on their defence. Look at their state now. Su-30 MKI fighter fleet should be maintained at its current numbers. While it is a supremely aerodynamic plane, it's massive RCS means that it will become outdated in the 2040s and hopefully we can replace them with our own stealth heavy fighters.

I believe that the best course of action is to keep defence spending at just over 2% of our gdp. It means that the spending with grow as our economy grows. So, if we have an economy of 5 trillion dollars in 2027, the budget will be 100+ billion dollars, if the economy is 10 trillion dollars in 2034, we'll have 200+ billion dollars, etc. I agree on everything else.

There is no economic growth without national security.

A measly 2% of the GDP is not enough to address the threats facing us from 2 of our beligerent neighbours, potentially 3 if we include Kangladesh.

We need to maintain superiority over the Napakis and credible deterrence against the Chink.

You cannot put a cost on national security. Billions of rupees in freebies and handouts can be curtailed to prioritise defence.

Useless endeavors like the caste census are an absolute waste of money and only serve appeasement politics.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

There is no counter to and yes they are screwed if we use it.

So basically there is no cutting edge defence against the .. that is reassuring to hear