Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (20 Viewers)

[randombully]

If no SU57, it could be something like ~100 Rafale ~160 Super Sukhoi. Considering the Jaguar experience of Darin upgrades, these many numbers of Super Sukhoi should be achievable.

Knowing fre*ch it's hard to beleive those 100 rafales will be cheaper than 100 su57.
So for extra ~60 will be a problem.

Though if we can achieve( which i highly beleive we can) su35 level rcs reduction( less than 2m2 frontal rcs) then I say fuck rafale "create" 100 super sukhoi from scratch and use russian 177s engine( super cruise), total ~200 super sukhoi, will be the finest non stealth jet in the world.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Simple, availability.

The Rafale is available now, with all the goodies.

Also the J35 is an unknown quantity.

You can bet there will be orders for the J35 in the next 3-4 orders.

Investing billions in 4th gen platforms while 5th gen ones are available is shortsighted.

The biggest reason no wealthy or advanced country buys Chinese military hardware is because it’s low-quality junk. The only ones who buy it are the Pakistanis, because they’re trying to stay in the good books of their Chinese overlords — plus, they usually get it on loans.

 

[Brimstone]

If it were me, i would say finish PNS first. Expensive assets and will take a very long time to recoup losses and build back again. Pakis will become poora nanga from the sea.

No
Finish PAF first. PA and PN won't even dream to launch an offensive without air support.

Removing PAF from the equation early in the war will give you a lot of options. You can stop the conflict there or take your time to finish off PA and PN. If you go after PN first, PAF and PA will cause damage.

SEAD/DEAD > C4I nodes > Air assets

 

[Sanglamorre]

I still don’t understand — Rafales are 4th-generation fighter jets that cost around $280 million each, while the J-35 is a 5th-generation fighter jet costing only $70–80 million. Yet, the world chooses to buy Rafales instead of the J-35. Why is that?

If the era of 4th-generation fighter jets is over, why is Pakistan still buying JF-17? Why not buy J-35 and start phasing out JF-17?

A proven, true 5th gen comparable fighter like F35 cannot cost so much more than the claimed J35. So, first doubt should creep in at that point.

 

[Hari Sud]

I have not come across an official confirmation but based on all the money Pakistan is receiving from USA, it is highly likely that Pakistan will be used as a launchpad by USA against Iran. Thus, I would not be surprised if USA has started moving man and material to Pakistan. It is quite possible that some US assets were hit by Indian Air Force during Operation Sindhoor; I do not know. Eventually we will know. One thing is for sure, USA was not just hoping, it was casually sure that India would get hit by at least one Pakistanese nuclear bomb. USA did not expect that India would start bombing Pakistanese nuclear facilities. On the contrary, USA was expecting to put pressure on India using threats of Pakistanese nukes. However, once India started bombing Pakistanese nuclear facilities in the broad day light, US gamut to contain India fell apart.

China despite being a member of Troika supported Pakistan, initially. But as the conflict progressed, China realized that India was able to isolate Pakistan completely by jamming Chinese signals. At this point, China thought that it would be better to have India as a friend than enemy. So both India and China downplayed Chinese involvement in the conflict. Russians have been urging Chinese to mend fences with India; but China and USA thought, this was a great time to inflict wounds on India. This proved to be a big miscalculation.

As a side effect of Operation Sindhoor, for the first time, mainly after realizing India's military capabilities, Chinese are really sincerely interested in Troika.

With 20% of the Pakistani air assets destroyed in Operation Sindoor, Pakistan is in no condition to mount any kind of military pressure on India. Moreover the Pakistanis are aware that third rate Chinese military hardware which is mostly untested does not work. They have to find better one.

Yes, Pakistan’s intimidation with Islamism and Jihadism to scare India will continue but with after operation Sindoor it is no longer effective. Now the Pakistanis have US on their side hence for them the US economic and diplomatic pressure is a more effective weapon as it was during the Cold War.

Any chance of Modi recovery with Trump is unlikely as India and Modi are mad and will not yield to any pressure including tariffs.

If US exerts pressure of any kind then cancel Apache and MQ-9 order. Buy your engine for LCA-2 elsewhere. The AMCA engine will come from Europe and not from US.

If India succeeds in not giving in into US pressure then it is making of big power status for India which ignores foreign pressure.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

US general praises Pakistan, motherlode of terrorism, as a 'phenomenal partner' - Times of India

US News: TOI correspondent from Washington: Despite acknowledging that a Pakistani national plotted terrorist attacks in America as recently as 2024, a top US .

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Shows you the hypocrisy, double standards and unmitigated selfishness of these American btards.

And our dear rulers have been trying to brownose these cu**s for a decade now and call them a 'friend' of India. All our foreign policy eggs have been put in the American basket, for what gains exactly?

And people think they will sell us F-35s...

These are venomous snakes, not to be trusted.

 

[silentassassin265]

This is for MRFA i guess. Rafale we can’t integrate our weapons French are not willing to integrate ASTRA and delaying despite quoting exorbitant amount because they want to sell meteor.
This is the situation with western fighters and with Russia this issue doesn’t arise and we can integrate our weapons.
Su 57 isn’t replacement of Su30 we are going to upgrade all our Su 30 eventually. Also Putin offered Su57 with super 30 upgrade to India

We might end up having only su 30 mki and su 57 .
As burgericans will stop supplying engines.
We can modify mk2 design to fit russian engine, it won't be impossible

 

[chnvipgz]

No
Finish PAF first. PA and PN won't even dream to launch an offensive without air support.

Removing PAF from the equation early in the war will give you a lot of options. You can stop the conflict there or take your time to finish off PA and PN. If you go after PN first, PAF and PA will cause damage.

SEAD/DEAD > C4I nodes > Air assets

India must spend on nvidia ai kits and machine learning system for drones along with antiradiate suite to knock out all the radars in pakistan.

 

[chnvipgz]

US general praises Pakistan, motherlode of terrorism, as a 'phenomenal partner' - Times of India

US News: TOI correspondent from Washington: Despite acknowledging that a Pakistani national plotted terrorist attacks in America as recently as 2024, a top US .

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Shows you the hypocrisy, double standards and unmitigated selfishness of these American btards.

And our dear rulers have been trying to brownose these cu**s for a decade now and call them a 'friend' of India. All our foreign policy eggs have been put in the American basket, for what gains exactly?

And people think they will sell us F-35s...

These are venomous snakes, not to be trusted.

India never put eggs in usa basket otherwise why did we go for s400 and ak203 even during ukraine issue we bought russian oil .China will end up like ussr.

 

[redpanda]

You never know. They might even revive the FGFA program.

Officially we haven't exited the programme. We just put it on hold till we think it's mature enough for our re-entry. If we feel like Russia is giving us a good deal, MoD & IAF chaps won't mind rejoining it. Question is how that will impact our AMCA if we ever revive FGFA?

 

[Viper316]

US general praises Pakistan, motherlode of terrorism, as a 'phenomenal partner' - Times of India

US News: TOI correspondent from Washington: Despite acknowledging that a Pakistani national plotted terrorist attacks in America as recently as 2024, a top US .

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Shows you the hypocrisy, double standards and unmitigated selfishness of these American btards.

And our dear rulers have been trying to brownose these cu**s for a decade now and call them a 'friend' of India. All our foreign policy eggs have been put in the American basket, for what gains exactly?

And people think they will sell us F-35s...

These are venomous snakes, not to be trusted.

Its all business and american interest in the region hence we sudden tilt in policy by Trump adminstration favoring terroristan, they need pak land to be used as a tool for proxy war against Iran or china. Americans already secured this deal by sanctioning IMF payout.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

India never put eggs in usa basket otherwise why did we go for s400 and ak203 even during ukraine issue we bought russian oil .China will end up like ussr.

Yeah but our overlord calls the Orange buffon a dear friend, a feeling that is clearly not reciprocal.

Joining the stupid quad with these hypocritical snakes was a pointless move.

 

[chnvipgz]

Even wumao are discussing that china surrendered to usa again.


View: https://x.com/zephyr_z9/status/1932776019137872350?t=d283mWtkGgHENWRT9MeTYw&s=19

Even hardcore wumao calling xi weak.


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[Noob_Saibot]

Its all business and american interest in the region hence we sudden tilt in policy by Trump adminstration favoring terroristan, they need pak land to be used as a tool for proxy war against Iran or china. Americans already secured this deal by sanctioning IMF payout.

So their allegiances are clear and we should be clear in our foreign policy as well.

Only transactional engagement with Americ***s, where it is mutual interest. No strategic alignment with their geopolitical goals for Asia pacific.

No buying of strategic military assets from the hypocrites.

With China at least we know they are our adversary. They don't pretend to be our friend while funding and arming our enemies.

 

[chnvipgz]

Yeah but our overlord calls the Orange buffon a dear friend, a feeling that is clearly not reciprocal.

Joining the stupid quad with these hypocritical snakes was a pointless move.

He even said nawaz sharif family is his friend but did that stop him to bomb bhawalpur and nurkhan.

 

[randombully]

Finally, this is what I was talking about reconnaissance, reconnaissance, reconnaissance. Do these morons only wake up when there is a conflict? It should have been done years ago.


View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1932701578445926487

And this is the company a startup called "Pixxel" has been tasked to build it. See from 16:00 minutes in this bloomberg video


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Iaf has lots of plans, they need sarkari babu approval to pursue them.
Babus woke up a little after op sindoor and decided to give some extra money and focus more on defense, Iaf used it to get things it want, in this case spectral sat.

I think mudee ji should continue mini op sindoor regularly against Pakistan every few months, to keep having an excuse to pass Little bit of emergency budget for defense regularly.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Officially we haven't exited the programme. We just put it on hold till we think it's mature enough for our re-entry. If we feel like Russia is giving us a good deal, MoD & IAF chaps won't mind rejoining it. Question is how that will impact our AMCA if we ever revive FGFA?

We don't have to revive the programme, just get the airframes, tech transfer , source codes and other good stuff to feed into the AMCA programme.

If all goes well, we will have 50-80 Su-57 while we wait for the AMCA.

By 2040 we should have a mature Su 57 with Indian bells and whistles AND the AMCA, fielding two 5th gen platforms to deter Napakis and Chinks from misadventures.

 

[mcpo117]

Officially we haven't exited the programme. We just put it on hold till we think it's mature enough for our re-entry. If we feel like Russia is giving us a good deal, MoD & IAF chaps won't mind rejoining it. Question is how that will impact our AMCA if we ever revive FGFA?

My best guess is AMCA will share a similar fate as Tejas. Over two decades of development and limited induction.
Ps- AMCA already spent nearly two decades on the drawing table if we consider 2007-8 era developments.

 

[indrajit]

Yeah but our overlord calls the Orange buffon a dear friend, a feeling that is clearly not reciprocal.

Joining the stupid quad with these hypocritical snakes was a pointless move.

We joined because Shinzo Abe asked. Modi told him as much. We have partners other than the US. We don't need to piss everyone off.

 

[chnvipgz]

So their allegiances are clear and we should be clear in our foreign policy as well.

Only transactional engagement with Americ***s, where it is mutual interest. No strategic alignment with their geopolitical goals for Asia pacific.

No buying of strategic military assets from the hypocrites.

With China at least we know they are our adversary. They don't pretend to be our friend while funding and arming our enemies.

China just surrendered to usa and lost the trade war by accepting tariff with allowing of chinese into us universities and removing rare earth metals hold.

So called china rise and superpower gone bust.Seems like those indian strikes made chinese realise that they are still sissies.


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Chinese got embarrassed and xi sold china for his daughter usa citizenship along with other elite ccp folks.Ccp are just another sissies like our upsc babus whose kids are settled in nato countries but we have low merit quota and gandhianism,periyarism,ambedkerite other wise no difference.


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