Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (94 Viewers)

[jaishrikrishna]

This is my take on the whole situation. Jaishankar, MEA babus were responsible for the whole “do not hit Porki military” nonsense. After hearing the CDS, looks like he did a “Pak military operates with honor and are gentlemen”. Jaishankar went overboard with the idea of “let’s make it clear even to Pornistan that we are only hitting terrorists”. Instead of setting up a firm stand that porki army is the terrorist org and we are going directly after the snake, we are doing this nonsense of “targeting terrorists only”. JeM and LeT are basically “mujahideen” battalions of Porki Army. Poliostan government even compensated these terrorists for the losses suffered. I think leader Ji statement that we will no longer differentiate between porki army and terrorists happened because he realized that the stupid, failed idea of MEA that porki army and terrorists are two different groups, and that porki army will understand our attacks on terror installations, completely backfired on Day 1 of Op Sindoor leading to asset losses. Basically the CCS did not get convinced that porki army and terrorists are the same group. MEA I am sure had a big role to play in that confusion.
Note how Jaishankar has not been active after Op Sindoor. And CDS statement in Singapore caused anger in India. I think their guidance proved wrong. And Sashi Tharoor was sent over to explain things.
Shah, Doval, Nirmala - all members of CCS - are laying low, most likely because the CCS got it completely wrong that they would get international “good boy” pats by putting out views like “we won’t attack pakoda army and only terrorists”. International kommunity especially tanTrump did not give a shite about that nuance. They did not even care about the genocide of Hindus. They were concerned about the Israel-Iran and Ukraine-Russia wars. The world did not care about Hindu deaths as much.
Hard lesson for India’s babus and CCS on how international powers behave. Trying to act all righteous and goody-goody does not work all the time. Sometimes might is right and you need to hit back decisively establishing permanent deterrence. Yes we will suffer some losses but the enemy needs to be brought to their knees with a big white flag in their hands for the whole world to see.

Actually our whole narrative was: non escalatory, non agressor. We cant afford to be portrayed as agressors. Although, i agree on how powers behave have nothing to do with narrative. What justification did US had on dropping bombs in Iran.. nothing.
We go overboard on being portrayed as responsible and peace loving. However, we will attack pak military directly next time as this is now the policy.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Major infiltration bid foiled in J&K

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[redpanda]

Not a single Meteor was launched in Op Sindoor.

There are also some theories floating around like Rafale were low flying. So they carried only MICA rather Meteor. Because at that height MICA and Meteor have pretty much same performance. And Rafale were mostly geared for A2G role, so MICA made more sense.

 

[Savageking456]

View: https://x.com/elitepredatorss/status/1939553714639155275?t=4TiEYfaMZBGkZ7hEaHWnjg&s=19
Truth or engagement farming?

 

[snakeeyes07]

A bit off topic but a major purge has been going on in PLA & CMC recently.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939335132709872025

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[ChandraSingh]

tell me if this info below gives clarity on why the players in the game behaved the way they did.
keep MEA aside, would you take the chance if you were in national security council secretariat?
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In 2002, Lieutenant General Khalid Kidwai, head of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division (SPD), publicly outlined four key nuclear redlines, a rare clarification of Pakistan’s otherwise ambiguous doctrine. These redlines, as discussed in Pakistani strategic circles, were:

1. Spatial Threshold: If Indian forces penetrate deep into Pakistani territory, threatening significant territorial losses.
2. Military Threshold: If India destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land or air forces, crippling its conventional capabilities.
3. Economic Threshold: If India imposes an economic blockade, such as a naval blockade, strangling Pakistan’s economy.
4. Political Threshold: If India destabilizes Pakistan internally, through subversion or incitement of large-scale unrest.

I have a question though. Now that we claim, though not officially, that we have destroyed or disabled their nuclear war capability on May 10 operations, does the above hold true? Should we be really concerned now or should have been concerned before announcing cessation of hostilities ?

 

[fire starter]

IFS baboons only care about gora validation & foreign citizenship for their bastard offsprings.

View: https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1939566359102582900?t=tBGlZZMmg1YDTj1Z2puxoQ&s=19

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Not going to engage you again on this point.

1. Our purpose of the conflict was not to dictate terms nor to gain any territory. It was simply to demonstrate conventional superiority. Which we did.
2. I don't understand how difficult it is to understand this. Our stance, from beginning, was that we don't want the conflict to escalate. Hence when Pakis begged for cease fire, they got it.
3. As to loss of face, if anyone neutrally evaluates this conflict with proper evidences, they will understand who had the upper hand.

There was no secret cease fire. Our stance from beginning was that we will be the one with final attack. The govt is not in the mood to fight prolonged wars because it affects economic growth, as said by CDS. And personally I completely agree with this. You may not, its your prerogative, but don't expect full fledged war with Pakis until we have plateaued our economic growth. Israel & US are developed nations with deep pockets, we are not. Plus their conventional superiority over their enemies is overwhelming and decisive. We OTOH face 2 front war with capable enemies. Don't expect our response to be same as US or Israel.

Cheen is not going to help porkland other than with equipment. I don’t agree with our purpose then. This is how I see it.

Porki Action: Genocide of Hindus by Porki Army mujahid battalions aka terrorists.
Bharat Reaction: let’s not hit Porki Army as the terrorist battalions went rogue on their own.

This makes sense to anyone? No wonder we are at $4.3 trillion instead of $5 trillion by the end of this year. We are not decisive. We do not work to build our national power. We do not strive to become advanced. We are happy to get hyphenated with Pakshitstain. I am definitely beginning to lose confidence in Modi 3.0. There are too many unexplained things 3.0 is doing. Maybe fresh blood and a change in leadership is needed - someone who will truly protect Bharat and build our national power and economy. Modi 2.0 must be appreciated for building the launch pad toward a modern economy. But modi 3.0 is unable to launch the rocket to intended orbit. Maybe being in coalition has weakened Modi 3.o but things are not the same.

 

[ezsasa]

I have a question though. Now that we claim, though not officially, that we have destroyed or disabled their nuclear war capability on May 10 operations, does the above hold true? Should we be really concerned now or should have been concerned before announcing cessation of hostilities ?

this disabling of nuke thing is rhetorical as of now, it's that tom cooper fellow who inserted this into the discourse, and public as usual are using their imagination based on inherent prejudice to extrapolate.

only thing we know for a fact is that nur khan base got hit, everything else is speculative.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

IFS baboons only care about gora validation & foreign citizenship for their bastard offsprings.

View: https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1939566359102582900?t=tBGlZZMmg1YDTj1Z2puxoQ&s=19

Eggxactly. The world would not have thought India as the aggressor? France even said explicitly that India has all the right to decisively end Porki Army terrorism. People like Snehesh need to grow a backbone and start questioning these stupid babus.

 

[spikey360]

Infact entire CCS did chutiyapa thinking pakis will play fare game of "respecting airspace"

Agree with you.
Next time, I think we should strike Rawalpindi first, obliterate it, then move to terror camps.

Furthermore, no more funny business of
A) saying defence forces have been given complete freedom to respond and then hypocritically restraining them.
B) Virtue signalling by projecting women personnel as spokesmen when they had nothing to do with the specific operation.
C) No allowing MEA babus to attend military pressers, especially not the ones having families in Five eyes countries, or people with bosses who have families earning from five eyes countries.
D) Minimum interaction with Dolund. Specially not picking up his calls.

 

[asl001]

Operation sindoor and stopping river water has made Pakis come out of their deniability and openly support Terrorism.
This means there will be more action by Pakis and more reaction by India.
I wonder, how this will impact the future of this Country.

View: https://youtu.be/3L48OdROSUs?si=D78pUthOn05eITZa

 

[spikey360]

Cheen is not going to help porkland other than with equipment. I don’t agree with our purpose then. This is how I see it.

Porki Action: Genocide of Hindus by Porki Army mujahid battalions aka terrorists.
Bharat Reaction: let’s not hit Porki Army as the terrorist battalions went rogue on their own.

This makes sense to anyone? No wonder we are at $4.3 trillion instead of $5 trillion by the end of this year. We are not decisive. We do not work to build our national power. We do not strive to become advanced. We are happy to get hyphenated with Pakshitstain. I am definitely beginning to lose confidence in Modi 3.0. There are too many unexplained things 3.0 is doing. Maybe fresh blood and a change in leadership is needed - someone who will truly protect Bharat and build our national power and economy. Modi 2.0 must be appreciated for building the launch pad toward a modern economy. But modi 3.0 is unable to launch the rocket to intended orbit. Maybe being in coalition has weakened Modi 3.o but things are not the same.

Spoiler: Chit-chat

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[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Actually our whole narrative was: non escalatory, non agressor. We cant afford to be portrayed as agressors. Although, i agree on how powers behave have nothing to do with narrative. What justification did US had on dropping bombs in Iran.. nothing.
We go overboard on being portrayed as responsible and peace loving. However, we will attack pak military directly next time as this is now the policy.

That is right. All this vasudeva kutumbakam, holier than though righteousness by us are all not even acknowledged by major powers. Not calling out Porki Army as terrorists is a major mistake. They are. MEA is advancing a philosophy that no other power cares about. Also, what strategic gain have we gotten by being “responsible and peace loving”? Nothing but being joked about as a weak, soft power that cannot be relied upon as a net security provider.

 

[Ajatshatru]

this disabling of nuke thing is rhetorical as of now, it's that tom cooper fellow who inserted this into the discourse, and public as usual are using their imagination based on inherent prejudice to extrapolate.

only thing we know for a fact is that nur khan base got hit, everything else is speculative.

There is clear video evidence of a bomb being dropped on Kirana Hills, so it’s not just speculation. The IAEA issued an official statement saying there was no nuclear leak in Pakistan — fine, there was no leak. But why did they feel the need to make that statement in the first place? Something must have happened; otherwise, why would the IAEA go out of its way to dismiss the rumors of a nuclear leak in Pakistan?

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

tell me if this info below gives clarity on why the players in the game behaved the way they did.
keep MEA aside, would you take the chance if you were in national security council secretariat?
====
In 2002, Lieutenant General Khalid Kidwai, head of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division (SPD), publicly outlined four key nuclear redlines, a rare clarification of Pakistan’s otherwise ambiguous doctrine. These redlines, as discussed in Pakistani strategic circles, were:

1. Spatial Threshold: If Indian forces penetrate deep into Pakistani territory, threatening significant territorial losses.
2. Military Threshold: If India destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land or air forces, crippling its conventional capabilities.
3. Economic Threshold: If India imposes an economic blockade, such as a naval blockade, strangling Pakistan’s economy.
4. Political Threshold: If India destabilizes Pakistan internally, through subversion or incitement of large-scale unrest.

It is one thing to have a doctrine. How many people believe the pakis have the guts to act on it especially after their Army terrorists killed 26 Hindu brothers and sisters? We had all the right to declare war and decimate their GHQ. Remember 26 Hindus were genocided by the State of Pakshistain and not some rogue terrorists as our babus keep misleading us.

 

[snakeeyes07]

There is clear video evidence of a bomb being dropped on Kirana Hills, so it’s not just speculation. The IAEA issued an official statement saying there was no nuclear leak in Pakistan — fine, there was no leak. But why did they feel the need to make that statement in the first place? Something must have happened; otherwise, why would the IAEA go out of its way to dismiss the rumors of a nuclear leak in Pakistan?

Couple of possibilities, if they were Indian strikes then it was for warning/demonstration purpose, I don't think these were inaccurate strikes from malfunctions because they both struck the Kirana hill side.

Another possibility, Pakistan did a false flag and launched their munitions there to get US to intervene, I don't think these were SAMs launched against which missed and landed down there as the probability of 2 of them to hit Kirana hill side is pretty low.

 

[randombully]

Couple of possibilities, if they were Indian strikes then it was for warning/demonstration purpose, I don't think these were inaccurate strikes from malfunctions because they both struck the Kirana hill side.

Another possibility, Pakistan did a false flag and launched their munitions there to get US to intervene, I don't think these were SAMs launched against which missed and landed down there as the probability of 2 of them to hit Kirana hill side is pretty low.

Even if we destroyed Kirana hills facility.
This doesn't mean deployed nuclear warheads of pakistan are destroyed.
If true, It will means we have reduced the no. Of stored warheads pak can deploy and restricted/reduced their capability to make new warheads to a significant extent.

 

[ezsasa]

There is clear video evidence of a bomb being dropped on Kirana Hills, so it’s not just speculation. The IAEA issued an official statement saying there was no nuclear leak in Pakistan — fine, there was no leak. But why did they feel the need to make that statement in the first place? Something must have happened; otherwise, why would the IAEA go out of its way to dismiss the rumors of a nuclear leak in Pakistan?

folks here might be taking nuclear thresholds lightly, but the world takes nuclear weapon related dynamics very seriously. and pakis have a history of using nooclear blackmail.

does this answer your question?

 

[snakeeyes07]

Even if we destroyed Kirana hills facility.
This doesn't mean deployed nuclear warheads of pakistan are destroyed.
If true, It will means we have reduced the no. Of stored warheads pak can deploy and restricted/reduced their capability to make new warheads to a significant extent.

I know

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