Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (63 Viewers)

[Savageking456]

View: https://x.com/elitepredatorss/status/1939553714639155275?t=4TiEYfaMZBGkZ7hEaHWnjg&s=19
Truth or engagement farming?

 

[snakeeyes07]

A bit off topic but a major purge has been going on in PLA & CMC recently.

View: https://x.com/Defencematrix1/status/1939335132709872025

View: https://x.com/carlbildt/status/1922084974636695914

View: https://x.com/jenniferzeng97/status/1938974976343777626

 

[ChandraSingh]

tell me if this info below gives clarity on why the players in the game behaved the way they did.
keep MEA aside, would you take the chance if you were in national security council secretariat?
====
In 2002, Lieutenant General Khalid Kidwai, head of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division (SPD), publicly outlined four key nuclear redlines, a rare clarification of Pakistan’s otherwise ambiguous doctrine. These redlines, as discussed in Pakistani strategic circles, were:

1. Spatial Threshold: If Indian forces penetrate deep into Pakistani territory, threatening significant territorial losses.
2. Military Threshold: If India destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land or air forces, crippling its conventional capabilities.
3. Economic Threshold: If India imposes an economic blockade, such as a naval blockade, strangling Pakistan’s economy.
4. Political Threshold: If India destabilizes Pakistan internally, through subversion or incitement of large-scale unrest.

I have a question though. Now that we claim, though not officially, that we have destroyed or disabled their nuclear war capability on May 10 operations, does the above hold true? Should we be really concerned now or should have been concerned before announcing cessation of hostilities ?

 

[fire starter]

IFS baboons only care about gora validation & foreign citizenship for their bastard offsprings.

View: https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1939566359102582900?t=tBGlZZMmg1YDTj1Z2puxoQ&s=19

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Not going to engage you again on this point.

1. Our purpose of the conflict was not to dictate terms nor to gain any territory. It was simply to demonstrate conventional superiority. Which we did.
2. I don't understand how difficult it is to understand this. Our stance, from beginning, was that we don't want the conflict to escalate. Hence when Pakis begged for cease fire, they got it.
3. As to loss of face, if anyone neutrally evaluates this conflict with proper evidences, they will understand who had the upper hand.

There was no secret cease fire. Our stance from beginning was that we will be the one with final attack. The govt is not in the mood to fight prolonged wars because it affects economic growth, as said by CDS. And personally I completely agree with this. You may not, its your prerogative, but don't expect full fledged war with Pakis until we have plateaued our economic growth. Israel & US are developed nations with deep pockets, we are not. Plus their conventional superiority over their enemies is overwhelming and decisive. We OTOH face 2 front war with capable enemies. Don't expect our response to be same as US or Israel.

Cheen is not going to help porkland other than with equipment. I don’t agree with our purpose then. This is how I see it.

Porki Action: Genocide of Hindus by Porki Army mujahid battalions aka terrorists.
Bharat Reaction: let’s not hit Porki Army as the terrorist battalions went rogue on their own.

This makes sense to anyone? No wonder we are at $4.3 trillion instead of $5 trillion by the end of this year. We are not decisive. We do not work to build our national power. We do not strive to become advanced. We are happy to get hyphenated with Pakshitstain. I am definitely beginning to lose confidence in Modi 3.0. There are too many unexplained things 3.0 is doing. Maybe fresh blood and a change in leadership is needed - someone who will truly protect Bharat and build our national power and economy. Modi 2.0 must be appreciated for building the launch pad toward a modern economy. But modi 3.0 is unable to launch the rocket to intended orbit. Maybe being in coalition has weakened Modi 3.o but things are not the same.

 

[ezsasa]

I have a question though. Now that we claim, though not officially, that we have destroyed or disabled their nuclear war capability on May 10 operations, does the above hold true? Should we be really concerned now or should have been concerned before announcing cessation of hostilities ?

this disabling of nuke thing is rhetorical as of now, it's that tom cooper fellow who inserted this into the discourse, and public as usual are using their imagination based on inherent prejudice to extrapolate.

only thing we know for a fact is that nur khan base got hit, everything else is speculative.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

IFS baboons only care about gora validation & foreign citizenship for their bastard offsprings.

View: https://x.com/cvkrishnan/status/1939566359102582900?t=tBGlZZMmg1YDTj1Z2puxoQ&s=19

Eggxactly. The world would not have thought India as the aggressor? France even said explicitly that India has all the right to decisively end Porki Army terrorism. People like Snehesh need to grow a backbone and start questioning these stupid babus.

 

[spikey360]

Infact entire CCS did chutiyapa thinking pakis will play fare game of "respecting airspace"

Agree with you.
Next time, I think we should strike Rawalpindi first, obliterate it, then move to terror camps.

Furthermore, no more funny business of
A) saying defence forces have been given complete freedom to respond and then hypocritically restraining them.
B) Virtue signalling by projecting women personnel as spokesmen when they had nothing to do with the specific operation.
C) No allowing MEA babus to attend military pressers, especially not the ones having families in Five eyes countries, or people with bosses who have families earning from five eyes countries.
D) Minimum interaction with Dolund. Specially not picking up his calls.

 

[asl001]

Operation sindoor and stopping river water has made Pakis come out of their deniability and openly support Terrorism.
This means there will be more action by Pakis and more reaction by India.
I wonder, how this will impact the future of this Country.

View: https://youtu.be/3L48OdROSUs?si=D78pUthOn05eITZa

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Actually our whole narrative was: non escalatory, non agressor. We cant afford to be portrayed as agressors. Although, i agree on how powers behave have nothing to do with narrative. What justification did US had on dropping bombs in Iran.. nothing.
We go overboard on being portrayed as responsible and peace loving. However, we will attack pak military directly next time as this is now the policy.

That is right. All this vasudeva kutumbakam, holier than though righteousness by us are all not even acknowledged by major powers. Not calling out Porki Army as terrorists is a major mistake. They are. MEA is advancing a philosophy that no other power cares about. Also, what strategic gain have we gotten by being “responsible and peace loving”? Nothing but being joked about as a weak, soft power that cannot be relied upon as a net security provider.

 

[Ajatshatru]

this disabling of nuke thing is rhetorical as of now, it's that tom cooper fellow who inserted this into the discourse, and public as usual are using their imagination based on inherent prejudice to extrapolate.

only thing we know for a fact is that nur khan base got hit, everything else is speculative.

There is clear video evidence of a bomb being dropped on Kirana Hills, so it’s not just speculation. The IAEA issued an official statement saying there was no nuclear leak in Pakistan — fine, there was no leak. But why did they feel the need to make that statement in the first place? Something must have happened; otherwise, why would the IAEA go out of its way to dismiss the rumors of a nuclear leak in Pakistan?

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

tell me if this info below gives clarity on why the players in the game behaved the way they did.
keep MEA aside, would you take the chance if you were in national security council secretariat?
====
In 2002, Lieutenant General Khalid Kidwai, head of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division (SPD), publicly outlined four key nuclear redlines, a rare clarification of Pakistan’s otherwise ambiguous doctrine. These redlines, as discussed in Pakistani strategic circles, were:

1. Spatial Threshold: If Indian forces penetrate deep into Pakistani territory, threatening significant territorial losses.
2. Military Threshold: If India destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land or air forces, crippling its conventional capabilities.
3. Economic Threshold: If India imposes an economic blockade, such as a naval blockade, strangling Pakistan’s economy.
4. Political Threshold: If India destabilizes Pakistan internally, through subversion or incitement of large-scale unrest.

It is one thing to have a doctrine. How many people believe the pakis have the guts to act on it especially after their Army terrorists killed 26 Hindu brothers and sisters? We had all the right to declare war and decimate their GHQ. Remember 26 Hindus were genocided by the State of Pakshistain and not some rogue terrorists as our babus keep misleading us.

 

[snakeeyes07]

There is clear video evidence of a bomb being dropped on Kirana Hills, so it’s not just speculation. The IAEA issued an official statement saying there was no nuclear leak in Pakistan — fine, there was no leak. But why did they feel the need to make that statement in the first place? Something must have happened; otherwise, why would the IAEA go out of its way to dismiss the rumors of a nuclear leak in Pakistan?

Couple of possibilities, if they were Indian strikes then it was for warning/demonstration purpose, I don't think these were inaccurate strikes from malfunctions because they both struck the Kirana hill side.

Another possibility, Pakistan did a false flag and launched their munitions there to get US to intervene, I don't think these were SAMs launched against which missed and landed down there as the probability of 2 of them to hit Kirana hill side is pretty low.

 

[randombully]

Couple of possibilities, if they were Indian strikes then it was for warning/demonstration purpose, I don't think these were inaccurate strikes from malfunctions because they both struck the Kirana hill side.

Another possibility, Pakistan did a false flag and launched their munitions there to get US to intervene, I don't think these were SAMs launched against which missed and landed down there as the probability of 2 of them to hit Kirana hill side is pretty low.

Even if we destroyed Kirana hills facility.
This doesn't mean deployed nuclear warheads of pakistan are destroyed.
If true, It will means we have reduced the no. Of stored warheads pak can deploy and restricted/reduced their capability to make new warheads to a significant extent.

 

[ezsasa]

There is clear video evidence of a bomb being dropped on Kirana Hills, so it’s not just speculation. The IAEA issued an official statement saying there was no nuclear leak in Pakistan — fine, there was no leak. But why did they feel the need to make that statement in the first place? Something must have happened; otherwise, why would the IAEA go out of its way to dismiss the rumors of a nuclear leak in Pakistan?

folks here might be taking nuclear thresholds lightly, but the world takes nuclear weapon related dynamics very seriously. and pakis have a history of using nooclear blackmail.

does this answer your question?

 

[snakeeyes07]

Even if we destroyed Kirana hills facility.
This doesn't mean deployed nuclear warheads of pakistan are destroyed.
If true, It will means we have reduced the no. Of stored warheads pak can deploy and restricted/reduced their capability to make new warheads to a significant extent.

I know

View: https://x.com/JaidevJamwal/status/1914971546931671438

 

[ezsasa]

It is one thing to have a doctrine. How many people believe the pakis have the guts to act on it especially after their Army terrorists killed 26 Hindu brothers and sisters? We had all the right to declare war and decimate their GHQ. Remember 26 Hindus were genocided by the State of Pakshistain and not some rogue terrorists as our babus keep misleading us.

forget about other people, are you saying as an individual you will gamble with the lives of crores of people living in Indian sub-continent for decades based on binary choice backed by an assumption?

do you not live here in India?

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

folks here might be taking nuclear thresholds lightly, but the world takes nuclear weapon related dynamics very seriously. and pakis have a history of using nooclear blackmail.

does this answer your question?

If this bothered us so much, why did we not prevent porkis from obtaining nukular weapons? Look what Israelis are doing to Iran - openly taking out their nookular scientists. Did our RAW not have enough intelligence that Porkis will use atomi takat threshold to sponsor terrorism in J&K?
Modi 3.0 has a duty to explain how genocide of Hindus were allowed in their own land. If they do not, crores of Hindus are going to get angry. The results are not going to please Bhajipao. There are Hindu orgs that I know of that are not pleased with Modi 3.0’s behavior. If something happens during Amarnath Yatra then leader ji and NDA are going to be in big trouble. Ji is underestimating the anger Hindus have. It is staying below ground as we all trust ji still. But that cannot last forever.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

forget about other people, are you as an individual saying you will gamble with the lives of crores of people living in Indian sub-continent for decades based on binary choice backed by an assumption?

do you not live here in India?

I live in several Indian cities and we have significant assets there. The thing is we have to call their nuclear bluff. If we have decided that they are not bluffing and actually have the balls to fire a nuclear warhead, then we should immediately do everything we can to neutralize that threat including announcing that we will nuke China. We are a SSBN power - the only one outside of P5. And no one can prevent us from preventing nuking terroristan supporters - Türkiye and China. Make it 100% clear to them. I would like to see how Porkis play their cards now.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence is a bluff — and that’s not just my opinion; it’s something acknowledged by India’s political and military leadership. Pakistan claims to have developed tactical or battlefield nuclear weapons for the same reason: they know it’s not realistically possible to launch a strategic nuclear weapon on India. The entire Pakistani territory is within range of the Indian military, and India would strike Pakistan’s nuclear assets the moment they begin mobilizing them — let alone deploying them. To destroy Pakistan’s nuclear weapons inside bunkers, India would require bunker-buster munitions. It’s also important to note that Pakistan’s nuclear storage bunkers are not as deeply fortified as Iran’s.