Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (93 Viewers)

harish_ch said:
This will be an unpopular post but I couldn't resist from posting. Lot of questions bothering me.

1. Objective of Operation Sindoor is to punish the Terrorists, their handlers and their backers. When we attacked the Terror camps, Pakis responded by launching counter attacks on our forces. Instead of demolishing them, we just were content in hitting only Terror camps and even in the press meet after Foreign Secretary went to great lengths to emphasize that no military establishments were targeted.

Why is this so? Wasn't it a great opportunity to teach a lesson to Pakis when they were trying to interfere with our attacks on Terror camps?

Does this not contradict our original idea of punishing the Terror backers or is it our official stance that Paki Army is not backing Terrorists? And what the hell is this Proportionate response? Why the hell everyday in the pressers we keep telling we will not do anything more unless Pak does something?

2. Even a novice can predict that Pakis will counter our attack on Terror camps. What should've been our approach?
Wouldn't it have been better to announce to the world that while punishing the terrorists if Pakis come in between, they will be considered as Terrorist supporters and targeted too and then launch the attacks at a time of our choosing, rather than tying hands of forces not to attack the Paki Military and sending them to bomb terror camps?

3. Ok. Now that we've shown our military superiority and made Pakistan beg for Ceasefire, did we meet our Objective?
Are the terrorists scared to come out in the open? Will Pakis stop supporting Terrorists?

My answer is a HARD NO. We have already seen too many videos of terrorists calling out for avenging the attacks. We have seen assholes like Afridi taking out Victory parade in Karachi. Don't get me started on the narrative war. Paki buggers have been circulating fake videos of blasts in India and circulating in their local groups which will assuage people who ask questions about blasts in their cities. Then what is the point of this operation? What did it achieve?

4. Let me tell you what we should've done.

a. We should've fucked the PAKI army on the first day when they tried to stop our attacks on Terror camps.
b. Worst case: We should've accepted the ceasefire ONLY if Pakis handover Hafiz to us. This would've given a visible win to us and would've created lot of turmoil in Pakistan and undermine the Paki Army image.
c. Best Case: We have severely degraded Pakis. They don't even know how to counter our AF. Now was the best time to continue and see this to the end rather than stopping here and let China/US rearm Pakis to bring parity with us. Fuck them until they can no longer hold their country together and split it with the help of Baloch, Afghans etc.

5. Yes. We'd have faced ire of US. We'd have faced sanctions. Worse we'd have gone to a Nuclear war. But isn't it worth the cause? Entire nation was ready for any eventuality. I have not seen a single person in my circle who was happy with this ceasefire.

Till when do we want to maintain this status quo. Till we become 15 trillion dollar economy? And then what? Paki nuclear arsenal will be lost by then is it? US/China will then openly support Pakis if we were to emerge as an independent power. Isn't it so?

6. Ok fine. You won. This is not the time. We need to grow our economy. We need more time to neuter Pakistan. We can't handle a 2 Front war if China comes into picture. We can do it when we are not dependent on US/Russia.

Then Fucking don't start a War now. Don't do this Tamasha of limited attacks which achieves nothing. These buggers are like cockroaches. They don't fear these limited attacks. If you kill 100, 1000 more will be radicalized as long as they have backing of Paki army.

Destroy the roots of the evil, not just trimming the branches.

Fucking peacenik, spineless civilization we are.
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Revisting my post from May12th...Came to the same conclusion once again -> Fucking peacenik, spineless civilization we are!
 
superpower said:
Fuck off the planes..infact our all Pilots are safe....if something is downed its a part and parcel of war but Honestly Guys is baar jo mazaa Pakistan ki gaand maarke aaya voh swarg main bhi nahi milega 😇😇...Jai Hind..🇮🇳🇮🇳
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If you actually read the paragraph there is no mention of planes at all. I myself have repeatedly stated that losses are part and parcel of any conflict and anyone crying over losses should not ask for retaliation the next time.

What my paragraph touched upon is the increasing divergence of statements being made by the govt and the military.

It seems like there is a serious divide over how the entire operation was handled from day 1 to the day of the ceasefire with constant contradictory statements being made by both sides.

IAF also appears to be pissed off about what it believes should have been avoidable and completely unnecessary losses inflicted upon it due to restrictions placed upon it despite claims of “free hand”.

The military has clearly thrown the govt under the bus with constant statement’s being made outside India with no prior approval whatsoever.
 
RoaringTigerHiddenDragon said:
No one cares about the loss of fighters but why they were lost. The CDS said the same thing: it is more important to analyze why they were lost - clearly implying that the gormint had held the military back. And this is what is worrisome especially after saying that we are giving the military a free hand. It brings down the credibility of leader ji.
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You can't clearly imply anything saar, he most likely meant that IAF would rectify and improve upon whatever mistake or miscalculation led to damage/shoot down etc.
 
superpower said:
Fuck off the planes..infact our all Pilots are safe....if something is downed its a part and parcel of war but Honestly Guys is baar jo mazaa Pakistan ki gaand maarke aaya voh swarg main bhi nahi milega 😇😇...Jai Hind..🇮🇳🇮🇳
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You are right, but the Statement of Shiv Kumar raises a question to both the leadership, Political as well as Military leadership. It there was danger of losing aircrafts, the same would have clearly submitted to political leadership, as per prevailing situation I double if anyone has guts to do so. Everyone loves Yesman and Yesman is loved by everyone.
 
shade2 said:
Modi Govt is intended target.

If IFS baboo-mantri Lazer Eyes has foreign settled spawn and is compromised, the UN Genrols also have the same setup and so you can imagine.

One sets up Leaderji with the "No escalation saar, onlee hit terrorist saar, not aggressor saar" bullshit ROE then assorted other UN Genrols and Afsars blame him for any asset loss because of the ROE.

Totally fixed match, only way out is that they must buttress the point via IT Celliyas that we bund-blasted them including Punjab and they could do absolutely nothing to our side and had to beg for ceasefire to Uncle Sam( or Indian DGMO )

Opposition swines make everything about Modi as if he was flying the jets or planning operations, when everything is focused on Leaderji the Rayban-dharis get away scot free
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If you might remember there was guy who gave me some titbits during op sindoor. The post had to be deleted due to how bang on it was.

According to him the sentiment among armed forces is that these operations are usually launched under political compulsions with a strict exit timeline as the govt simply refuses to see things through.

There is a running sentiment that most operations simply do not impose a strategic defeat on pakistan not because we cannot do it but because there is no green light for controlled escalation.

A point was also made on how even though the Op was a glowing success more damage should have been done wrt to the amount of capabilities we ended up displaying thus revealing our cards.

A lot of people now expect them to be better prepared for the next round.
 
mist_consecutive said:
I think investigations has already indicated this to be a saboutage. We are at this point just gathering solid proof.

Calling out Pakistan / ISI openly at global stage will stir massive storm, especially that a sizeable british population was also killed in the crash. World will notice.



This is what bothers me. Previous attacks like Reasi Bus attack was brushed under the carpet quickly because the threshold of military action wasn't breached, and we didn't wanted to flame country's emotions.

In my opinion, we don't have to give a military response for the crash. We should shame them on global stage linking Pakistani military and ISI with the crash. Since goras are involved world will notice.
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Goras have been noticing and funding from a long time they simply don’t give a damn. If it turns out to be a sabotage and he does not respond his political strongman image is fucked and he knows that.
 
shade2 said:
You can't clearly imply anything saar, he most likely meant that IAF would rectify and improve upon whatever mistake or miscalculation led to damage/shoot down etc.
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I heard this many times and clearly he said 3 times that the ‘jets were down’ and not ‘downed’.
He also referred them in plural “why they were being down” which clearly means they are grounded.
He also said after 2 days we remedy/rectify (clearly he was referring to SEAD) and ‘flew all our jets’.
He also denied losing 6 jets as Pak claimed.

Like many here said before, this was clearly a low-blow and our general fell for it. He should have denied this interview.

Look at the interviewer, she was clearly delighted and asked again “one jet, atleast one jet was downed?”.
She probably got a raise for meeting her objective.


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/3aMBHaGRsec?si=hG2jthjvX6NEQP46
 
Psacha123 said:
I heard this many times and clearly he said 3 times that the ‘jets were down’ and not ‘downed’.
He also referred them in plural “why they were being down” which clearly means they are grounded.
He also said after 2 days we remedy/rectify (clearly he was referring to SEAD) and ‘flew all our jets’.
He also denied losing 6 jets as Pak claimed.

Like many here said before, this was clearly a low-blow and our general fell for it. He should have denied this interview.

Look at the interviewer, she was clearly delighted and asked again “one jet, atleast one jet was downed?”.
She probably got a raise for meeting her objective.


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/3aMBHaGRsec?si=hG2jthjvX6NEQP46
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The Genrol didn't know, his underlings or maybe some MEA or other non-military baboo deceived him into going for this interview.
It was an Ambush and the CDS didn't know how to deal with media snakes.

All snippets from his utterances sound like a how a generol will talk to his colleagues, other govt folks or to his juniors, not to ((( foreign ))) media of all people.
 
ezsasa said:
tell me if this info below gives clarity on why the players in the game behaved the way they did.
keep MEA aside, would you take the chance if you were in national security council secretariat?
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In 2002, Lieutenant General Khalid Kidwai, head of Pakistan’s Strategic Plans Division (SPD), publicly outlined four key nuclear redlines, a rare clarification of Pakistan’s otherwise ambiguous doctrine. These redlines, as discussed in Pakistani strategic circles, were:


  1. Spatial Threshold: If Indian forces penetrate deep into Pakistani territory, threatening significant territorial losses.
  2. Military Threshold: If India destroys a large part of Pakistan’s land or air forces, crippling its conventional capabilities.
  3. Economic Threshold: If India imposes an economic blockade, such as a naval blockade, strangling Pakistan’s economy.
  4. Political Threshold: If India destabilizes Pakistan internally, through subversion or incitement of large-scale unrest.
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Point No 3 & 4 will be tested in the next round. If we don't , we'd be exposed as a paper tiger.

We've already blown up the one chance we had this May after 6 years . Doubt we'd get such a golden opportunity the next time around. Be that as it may we'd have to make do with the opportunities we get.

To conclude I doubt any enemy would get as many opportunities as India did does & will as we get against Paxtan. Then again I can't recall any country other than Paxtan which'd continue to wage fruitless wars & still survive.

We're brother in arms whichever way one dices it . Even the Arab countries after having repeatedly tangled with the Israelis learnt their lesson & made their peace , certainly not the Paxtanis & neither have we for letting them get away cheaply.
 
RoaringTigerHiddenDragon said:
Is there a way to establish a body count? We would need friendly agents on the ground. Hitting empty buildings would not be much of a deterrence.
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In 2 years even the guys here will be crying over

>we hit only empty buildings
>made holes in runways which can be repaired in 2 seconds
>hit hangars with nothing inside
>lost over 3000 planes

Meanwhile Pakis will still be chanting 6-0, 6-0 even if the Indian army is just outside Pindi-Islumabad
 
www.ndtv.com

Exclusive: New Satellite Pics Show India's Attack Split Pak Terror Camps Into Half

During Operation Sindoor, India struck infrastructure sites linked to terror groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Hizbul Mujahideen.
www.ndtv.com www.ndtv.com

NDTV article showing damage to terror camps in two different sites, i'm posting images here

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I'm sure we have killed "crows" and "trees" at levels never before thought possible :troll:
 
randombully said:
Fighter jets try to shoot down these drones from close up( using their guns) and in small but significant cases the debris from destroyed drone hits the jet.
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Even during op sindoor porkies were using f16 and j10c to shoot down high drones we can use it to damage jets and awacs especially the turbojet version of geran 2.0
 
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