Operation Sindoor

[Azaad]

CNN report..
JD Vance called Modi Friday night after receiving information that Pakistan was reading for a dangerous escalation.. (Ballistic missile use or Nuke ? No information ) and he encouraged Modi to de escalate

So it does look like Modi was not ready to climb the ultimate rungs of the escalation ladder.. Ballistic missile and nuke use.. that Pakistan threatened..

So, it looks like the Fatah missile that was intercepted at Sirsa Haryana, was part of this signalling by Pakistan, that it would escalate if India continued hitting its bases

But, anyway a learning for us..
The next war with Pakistan will have to be nuclear and India should give a conventional response to Pakistan terror attacks only if Modiji has the appetite for a nuclear war..

If that's your understanding of the situation how do you explain continuing drone attacks by Fauji Foundation with an equally underwhelming & tepid " proportional " response by us ?

Fact of the matter is neither side is escalating . Paxtan isn't for it can't & India isn't for it doesn't want to . It's either this or both sides are waiting for the other to escalate before they respond or whatever both sides are indulging in thru drone warfare are probing attacks.

Modi doesn't want to escalate. Period. We saw as much in the post Operation Swift Retort scenario & we're seeing it once again now . If Paxtan didn't respond to our bombings of 9 terrorist camps in various cities across Paxtan that would've been the end of it .

I don't know what prevented him from responding to Operation Swift Retort just as I don't know what's preventing him from escalating now. The only conclusion I can draw from this is the fear that escalation in both these scenarios could lead to unforseen circumstances which may not necessarily be a N war but a full fledged war under the N overhang.

And Modi isn't confident in the potential of our armed forces to prevail in such a scenario , something for which he bears a good deal of responsibility for by keeping the CAPEX of the armed forces on drip feed for more than a decade now & a defence procurement policy which has yielded mixed results , mostly underwhelming ones.

Why exactly is this so I don't have the slightest clue ?! I've been trying to understand Modi's psyche in this matter for the past decade but I've given up .Hellfire has been calling Modi , Nehru 2.0 since 2020. Unlike Nehru , Modi's no ahimsawadi.

Yet there's not much difference in both of their approaches to defence. Both seem to think & treat it as a necessary evil. The former openly said so while the latter has been posing for photographs in remote locations for the past decade every Diwali without fail while spending the occassion with our armed forces , without saying so but acting in a similar manner.

And we're supposed to go up against China very soon.

 

[Rango]

My friend, @crazywithmath has been posting about a strike right at the tunnel entrance of their nuke storage. This was even posted on this thread and literally no one here reacted to that.And most here are celebrating the damage to their swedish AWACS ,,, This entire forum me included has been psyopped into oblivion me thinks.

It is just hard to believe that we can long distance attack and destroy their most precious of belongings (stored underground)?

Even the inbred Pakis would keep their nukes in a very secure place, considering all the normal earthquakes they experience. And the potential attacks from Balochis and TTP who keep targeting their military bases.

 

[londonparistokyo]

A foreigner has to showcase the Ws for us


View: https://x.com/AmrullahSaleh2/status/1921314772848414972

This is the level of analysis that Indians need to learn to do. I am searching for some analysis of what the purpose of this entire confrontation was other than to demonstrate military potential. The IMF bailing out Packistan means what? Who benefited from this conflict? Nothing happens for no reason.

 

[Prasad]

If that's your understanding of the situation how do you explain continuing drone attacks by Fauji Foundation with an equally underwhelming & tepid " proportional " response by us ?

Fact of the matter is neither side is escalating . Paxtan isn't for it can't & India isn't for it doesn't want to . It's either this or both sides are waiting for the other to escalate before they respond or whatever both sides are indulging in thru drone warfare are probing attacks.

Modi doesn't want to escalate. Period. We saw as much in the post Operation Swift Retort scenario & we're seeing it once again now . If Paxtan didn't respond to our bombings of 9 terrorist camps in various cities across Paxtan that would've been the end of it .

I don't know what prevented him from responding to Operation Swift Retort just as I don't know what's preventing him from escalating now. The only conclusion I can draw from this is the fear that escalation in both these scenarios could lead to unforseen circumstances which may not necessarily be a N war but a full fledged war under the N overhang.

And Modi isn't confident in the potential of our armed forces to prevail in such a scenario , something for which he bears a good deal of responsibility for by keeping the CAPEX of the armed forces on drip feed for more than a decade now & a defence procurement policy which has yielded mixed results , mostly underwhelming ones.

Why exactly is this so I don't have the slightest clue ?! I've been trying to understand Modi's psyche in this matter for the past decade but I've given up .Hellfire has been calling Modi , Nehru 2.0 since 2020. Unlike Nehru , Modi's no ahimsawadi.

Yet there's not much difference in both of their approaches to defence. Both seem to think & treat it as a necessary evil. The former openly said so while the latter has been posing for photographs in remote locations for the past decade every Diwali without fail while spending the occassion with our armed forces , without saying so but acting in a similar manner.

And we're supposed to go up against China very soon.

I call BS on pakis calling US and threatening us with nuke attacks.
if they ever went to US with that threat, they would have been screwed beyond belief by US itself.

just think on this, Russia has more nuclear bombs than any other nation but has never threatened to use one even with loosing 100's of thousands of their soldiers.
Israel after the massacre never brought up nukes.
just think for a sec.

World has very little appetite for nuclear threats.

 

[Asmodeus]

Very important..


View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1921211570207568084

 

[Nibbler]

India's nuclear arsenal must be massively expanded imo

 

[niks_12]

If that's your understanding of the situation how do you explain continuing drone attacks by Fauji Foundation with an equally underwhelming & tepid " proportional " response by us ?

Fact of the matter is neither side is escalating . Paxtan isn't for it can't & India isn't for it doesn't want to . It's either this or both sides are waiting for the other to escalate before they respond or whatever both sides are indulging in thru drone warfare are probing attacks.

Modi doesn't want to escalate. Period. We saw as much in the post Operation Swift Retort scenario & we're seeing it once again now . If Paxtan didn't respond to our bombings of 9 terrorist camps in various cities across Paxtan that would've been the end of it .

I don't know what prevented him from responding to Operation Swift Retort just as I don't know what's preventing him from escalating now. The only conclusion I can draw from this is the fear that escalation in both these scenarios could lead to unforseen circumstances which may not necessarily be a N war but a full fledged war under the N overhang.

And Modi isn't confident in the potential of our armed forces to prevail in such a scenario , something for which he bears a good deal of responsibility for by keeping the CAPEX of the armed forces on drip feed for more than a decade now & a defence procurement policy which has yielded mixed results , mostly underwhelming ones.

Why exactly is this so I don't have the slightest clue ?! I've been trying to understand Modi's psyche in this matter for the past decade but I've given up .Hellfire has been calling Modi , Nehru 2.0 since 2020. Unlike Nehru , Modi's no ahimsawadi.

Yet there's not much difference in both of their approaches to defence. Both seem to think & treat it as a necessary evil. The former openly said so while the latter has been posing for photographs in remote locations for the past decade every Diwali without fail while spending the occassion with our armed forces , without saying so but acting in a similar manner.

And we're supposed to go up against China very soon.

Simple.

It's Modi's personality type. He is tough but has no stomach for wars. Both are very different things.

And I have had many such friends over the years, who were nationalists and were tough, even wanted to punish Porkis, but when it came to actual war and the fallout, they backed out because they got cold feet or too much empathy (ex: Abhinandan case or seeing casualties). Real war requires aggression, kind of Machiavellian characteristics (such as supreme confidence) and managing what can be various adverse fallouts, example: nuclear overhang, sanctions etc. Then comes planning.

Also, there is the election angle. One thing good in the Indira times was that, she was overconfident of the hold of Congress on the electorate and winning elections. So she was not really bothered about adverse consequences such as losing elections. BJP on the other hand is a new kid in the block and is always looking for ways to preserve that Kursi.

 

[karn]

It is just hard to believe that we can long distance attack and destroy their most precious of belongings (stored underground)?

Even the inbred Pakis would keep their nukes in a very secure place, considering all the normal earthquakes they experience. And the potential attacks from Balochis and TTP who keep targeting their military bases.

We have no nothing that can penetrate the mountain and close the issue. IAF hit the entrance that would atmost delay them.

 

[Asmodeus]

Pakistan was stunned and went into huddle after Rawalpindi and several Pakistani Airbases and Mil Stations came under attack by India for aggression.

Pakistan knew that it can’t stand India’s retaliation in the long run. Pakistan was forced into a ceasefire because they knew what was coming.

No word on Pakistan sponsored terrorism. No word on Jihadist nature of Asim Munir. No word on chaos in Pakistani Govt and political turmoil. Don’t hide reality from Global audience.

Pakistani military was brought to its knees before it could come to talk begging for back-channel dialogue. India won’t tolerate Pakistani terrorism and proxy war. #OperationSindoor is a message and a Red Line.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What Pakis will improve in the coming days, months, years or however long the era of bhddha goes on.
1) improving counter drones capability
2) improving air defense
3) development of ballistic missiles that can targete deeper into india.
4) nuclear delivery means development
5) securing nukes in a better way
6) cooperation with China to mass produce drone or at least assemble it locally
7) development of an anti aircraft strategy
8) better sop regarding drone countermeasure for public

Just the few I can.

We could have pushed them back by a decade but now we have given them reason to be future ready.

All these things you mentioned would take 50-100 billion dollar investment and years to develop none of this is happening anytime soon or possibly ever??

 

[londonparistokyo]

Very important..


View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1921211570207568084

This isn't analysis. This is just primary level reporting.

 

[Azaad]

Simple.

It's Modi's personality type. He is tough but has no stomach for wars. Both are very different things.

And I have had many such friends over the years, who were nationalists and were tough, even wanted to punish Porkis, but when it came to actual war and the fallout, they backed out because they got cold feet or too much empathy (ex: Abhinandan case or seeing casualties). Real war requires aggression, kind of Machiavellian characteristics (such as supreme confidence) and managing what can be various adverse fallouts, example: nuclear overhang, sanctions etc. Then comes planning.

Also, there is the election angle. One thing good in the Indira times was that, she was overconfident of the hold of Congress on the electorate and winning elections. So she was not really bothered about adverse consequences such as losing elections. BJP on the other hand is a new kid in the block and is always looking for ways to preserve that Kursi.

Frankly I don't think you've understood the half of what I've written there. The same Modi was also accused of planning & plotting in great detail reprisal attacks on Muslims in the aftermath of the Godhra train carnage.

Besides what great elections is he facing now & who exactly is challenging his position in the BJP today & for the foreseeable future ?

 

[irawita]

Just woke up, and there seems to be a lack of clarity — is the war still on or not? The ceasefire appears to officially be broken

 

[redpanda]

All these things you mentioned would take 50-100 billion dollar investment and years to develop none of this is happening anytime soon or possibly ever??

Noob question what if China helps them develop those with it's industrial capabilities. They can repaint it as Paxtani innovation while those things would be Chinese. How realistic it would be for them with Chinese help to develop all those things?

 

[Azaad]

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my theory is , we hit their ammo depot site storing nuclear warheads + missiles , that entrance.

pakistan always tries to escalate and match every action.

they were planning to hit our similar ammo depots storing nuclear warheads. US stepped in prevent that .

In that case the CF should've held. It isn't . Why ?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Fusion bombs have three layers. First layer consists of a trigger (perhaps some sort of explosive), the second layer is fission material, and the third layer is fusion material. The fusion requires extreme heat which is supplied by the fission reaction (the second layer).

To the best of my knowledge, Pakistan does not have fusion bombs. All Pakistani bombs are fission bombs. Theoretically speaking, if the design were poor, a fission bomb can be triggered by an external explosion.

I would say for India the neutron bomb route might be ideal?

 

[Vinash]

A foreigner has to showcase the Ws for us


View: https://x.com/AmrullahSaleh2/status/1921314772848414972

This is the level of analysis that Indians need to learn to do. I am searching for some analysis of what the purpose of this entire confrontation was other than to demonstrate military potential. The IMF bailing out Packistan means what? Who benefited from this conflict? Nothing happens for no reason.

He's no ordinary foreigner though. Impressive resume. No wonder he knows the Pakis well.

 

[Vinash]

Just woke up, and there seems to be a lack of clarity — is the war still on or not? The ceasefire appears to officially be broken

Pakis did an attack after the ceasefire and our officials are doing everything to ignore the attack so as to keep the ceasefire intact.

Basically, we are willing to allow Pak to have the last laugh.

 

[Nibbler]

What are they bargaining chips on the table for this "discussions" they will be having

I see nothing that they can really offer.

Like even if they genuinely wanted to stop cross border terrorism, would whoever shows up able to speak for every faction in the army, all the various groups they have nurtured

Nor do I see anything that india can really offer. BLA and TTP are not dependent on India for existence. IWT is untenable and cannot be put back in place.

 

[silentassassin265]

Just woke up, and there seems to be a lack of clarity — is the war still on or not? The ceasefire appears to officially be broken

Ceasefire holds unfortunately.
Porkies tried last minute adventure but was not successful, they did manage to send 10 to 15 terrorists though.
Can't go against burgericans at this point as they hold around 300 for our jet engines as hostage